"and we had applesauce and sometimes sour cream but sour cream on
bananas always. I still like bananas, but now with yogurt."

I just noticed in reviewing all the latke recipes discussion that many
people added "sour cream with bananas" to the discussion.  My great
grandmother reached Chicago in 1891 at the age of 15, from St.
Petersburg, with her family of 7.  They traveled "Cabin class", because
they were rich.  Very rich--my great grandmother spoke accentless
English, thanks to personal tutoring in Tsarskoe Selo, where she
attended a girls' finishing school.  To the point:  she complained about
Chicago because you couldn't buy bananas in the winter!!!  I also spent
4 months in Vilnius in 1981, and a young woman whose mother was a party
member with connections told my then wife that she had NEVER eaten a
banana! So to all the contributors here whose families ate bananas with
sour cream--I assure you they did not eat or even see bananas in the
shtetl in Lithuania or in Galitsia or anywhere else in Russia, unless
they were wealthy in St. Petersburg, where the wealth of the world
reached the great capital.   Consumption of bananas as a regular
consumer product began in the USA after the invention of the
refrigerated railway car in the 1890's, and I am sure it quickly became
popular with new immigrants, except not in winter.

Jules Levin

I'm trying to confirm the application of the term "unehelichen" within a birth certificate from 1827 in the Pfalz.  The birth record follows a fairly typical format around the registrar indicating that so and so appeared before him and declared that a daughter was born.  Then this phase is used:   "....geboren sei welchem sie den Vornamen Regina zu geben erklaret, dieses welches Kind von der unehelichen Karolina geboren Isaak, des alters Vier und zwanzig Jahr."  I'm assuming that "unehelichen" refers to the newly born daughter Regina but maybe I'm confused and it should be applied to the mother, ie. Karolina. Or does unehelichen actually imply "unmarried" in this context rather than "illegitimate" as we might use it in English to refer to the child?  
Thanks for your input.
Michael Rubin
Boston, MA  USA 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Boston offers two Zoom programs in November: Complete program descriptions are available at www.jgsgb.org

Nov 8 1:30PM EST Jonathan Brent-YIVO's Rediscovered Archives in Vilna and New York followed by a second talk by Elliot Matz- Bringing Jewish Life to Lithuania's Open-air Museum of Lithuania.  Program is free to JGS of Greater Boston members and $5 for nonmembers. Information is at www.jgsgb.org 

Nov. 15 1:30PM EST The JGS of Greater Boston and Hebrew College present Steven Zipperstein-Myth and History in the Recent Jewish Past.  The program is free to all. Non-JGS of Greater Boston members are asked to register at www.jgsgb.org to receive the Zoom link.

Jessie Klein
Co-President JGS of Greater Boston

Your grandfather was probably at work in 1920, and not present when the census taker came to the door.  Whoever did respond, answered as best he/she  could.   Once in a while you will see a census entry as "unk"  for unknown.

David Rosen
Boston, MA

Subj: ViewMate photograph request -

I've posted a photograph to identify some of the people pictured.

It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88066

This picture of six men takenn in New York in the 1890s shows my
grandfather Harris Silverstone seated in center, and his two
brothers-in-law, Bennie and Charles Silverstein standing in back on the
right. Who are the other three men? My family came from Makowa (Makow
Mazowiecki) north of Warsaw. These men may also have come from that area.

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

Paul Silverstone

--
Paul Silverstone
West Vancouver, BC

see: www.paulsilverstone.com

Trudy,

You note that "was not able to find either cemetery online today. Are
they still in existence?" Yes, both cemeteries are in existence and are
active. You can contact each:

Washington Cemetery
5400 Bay Pkwy
Brooklyn, NY 11230
Phone: (718) 377-8690

Mount Zion Cemetery
59-63 54th Ave
Maspeth, NY 11378
Phone: (718) 335-2500

Also, it is possible that these are two different families, or, that
there was a change in the burial which resulted in a second death cert
being filed. What are the signature dates on each?

-Stay safe
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@...
JGFF# 3391

Hello

I am seeking any information available on Hyman Cohen (b 1866) and his
son Julius Cohen (1889-1947) who I understand were both actors. In
particular I am trying to trace their movements around England in the
period ca 1916. Any help or ideas will be most gratefully received. I
have not been able to identify them clearly in the 1901 & 1911 census
and I am not even sure when Hyman died.

Thanks You and Best Wishes
--
Dave Smith (01892 835974 / 07896 310693)
daves@...
http://www.diskdoctor.co.uk/dave.html

How about death dates? 
2699 could be 2nd June 1899 or 6th February 1899 depending on whether you use European or American configuration; similarly with the 2695 being an 1895 date. Both are possible for people born in the 1820-30 period.

Alan Cohen
Northwood, London, UK

VM88220

In Russian:

115

Иосиф Розенцвейг

Состоялось в городе Лублин 20-го марта (4-го апреля) 1907 года в 4 часа дня.  Явился еврей: Исаак Розенцвейг, рабочий табачной фабрики, 32-х лет, житель города Люблина и в присутствии свидетелей Израиля Фраймана, поденщика, 59-и лет и Мошки Фридмана, поденщика, 68-и лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам мальчика, объявляя, что он родился в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 92, 13-го (26-го) марта  этого года в 3 часов ночи от него и законной жены Суры-Двойры, урожденной Вайсблех, 28-и лет.  Мальчику этому при обрезании дано имя Иосиф.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими  подписан.

Исаак Розенцвейг

Мошка Фридман

Израиль Фрайман

Чиновник гражданского состояния        Подпись

 

Translateed into English:

115

Joseph Rosenzweig

It took place in the city of Lublin on March 20 (April 4) 1907 at 4 pm. A Jew appeared: Isaac Rosenzweig, a tobacco factory worker, 32 years old, a resident of the city of Lublin, and in the presence of witnesses Israel Freiman, a day laborer, 59 years old, and Moshka Fridman, a day laborer, 68 years old, residents of the city of Lublin and presented us with a boy, announcing that he was born in the city of Lublin, at house number 92, on the 13th (26th) of March this year at 3 am from him and the legal wife of Sura-Dvoira, nee Weisblech, 28 years old. This boy was given the name Joseph when he was circumcised. This act was read to those present and signed by them.

Isaac Rosenzweig

Moshka Friedman

Israel Fraiman

Civil Status Official Signature
Translated By Michael Ryabinky

Iron Mountain is genuine: see www.ironmountain.co.uk/resources/case-studies/h/hm-courts-and-tribunals-services

But they seem not to be very efficient!

Shulamit Spain
Scotland

VM86806

In Russian:

297

Состоялось в городе Лублин 5-го (17-го) февраля 1894 года в 10 часов утра.  Явился еврей: Яков Лякс, рабочий, 20-и лет, житель деревни Петровице, Люблинского уезда и в присутствии свидетелей Израиля Фраймана, поденщика, 47-и лет и Берки Тухмана,частного писца, 32-х лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам девочку, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 638, 5-го (17-го) января  сего года в 9 часов утра от него и незамужней Хаи Вайсблех, 20-и лет, жительницей города Люблина.  Девочке этой дано имя Ципа-Ита. Позднее заявление ничем не оправдано.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими и нами подписан.

 Израиль Фрайман  

Берка Тухман

Чиновник гражданского состояния        Подпись

 

Translated into English:

297

 

It took place in the city of Lublin on the 5th (17th) February 1894 at 10 am. A Jew appeared: Yakov Lyaks, a worker, 20 years old, a resident of the village of Petrovice, Lublin district and in the presence of witnesses Israel Fraiman, a day laborer, 47 years old and Berka Tukhman, a private scribe, 32 years old, residents of the city of Lublin and presented us a girl, announcing that she was born in the city of Lublin, at house number 638, on January 5 (17) of this year at 9 o'clock in the morning from him and unmarried Chaya Weisblech, 20 years old, a resident of the city of Lublin. This girl was given the name Tsipa-Ita. The later statement is not justified by anything. This act was read to those present, they and we signed.

 Israel Fraiman

Berka Tukhman

Civil Status Official Signature
Translated by Michael Ryabinky

VM88107

In Russian:

121

Состоялось в городе Лублин 8-го (20-го) мая 1894 года в 5 часов вечера.  Явился еврей: Залман Вайнтроб, рабочий, 37-и лет, житель города Люблин и в присутствии свидетелей Залмана Рабиновича, торговца, 68-и лет и Шимона Манделейла,рабочего, 32-х лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам девочку, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 494, 13-го (21-го) сентября  прошлого года в 2 часа ночи от него и законной жены Иты-Рухли, урожденной Фаертаг, 28-и лет, жительницей города Люблина.  Девочке этой дано имя Брайдля-Ройза. Позднее заявление ничем не оправдано.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими и, за исключением неграмотных, подписан.

Залман Рабинович  

Шимон Манделейл

Чиновник гражданского состояния        Подпись

 

Translated into English:

121

 

It took place in the city of Lublin on May 8 (20), 1894 at 5 pm. A Jew appeared: Zalman Weintrob, a worker, 37 years old, a resident of the city of Lublin and in the presence of witnesses Zalman Rabinovich, a merchant, 68 years old, and Shimon Mandeleil, a worker, 32 years old, residents of the city of Lublin and showed us a girl, announcing, that she was born in the city of Lublin, at house number 494, on September 13 (21) last year at 2 am from him and the legal wife of Ita-Rukhlia, nee Faertag, 28 years old, a resident of the city of Lublin. This girl is given the name Braidla-Royza. The later statement is not justified by anything. This act was read by those present, and, with the exception of the illiterate, signed by them.

Zalman Rabinovich

Shimon Mandeleil

Civil Status Official Signature
Translated by Michael Ryabinky

VM88108

In Russian:

617

Состоялось в городе Лублин 28-го июля (9-го августа) 1894 года в 9 часов утра.  Явился еврей: Абрам-Симха Мительман, торговец, 24-х лет, житель посада Винява Люблинского уезда и в присутствии свидетелей Мошки Фридмана, торговца, 54-и лет и Шимона Манделейла, рабочего, 42-х лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам девочку, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 533, 15-го (27-го) июня  этого года в 2 часа дня от него и законной жены Бейли, урожденной Шмарагт, 21-го года.  Девочке этой дано имя Гитля. Позднее заявление ничем не оправдано.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими и, за исключением неграмотных, подписан.

Мошка Фридман  

Шимон Манделейл

Чиновник гражданского состояния        Подпись

 

Translated into English:

617

 

Held in the city of Lublin on July 28 (August 9) 1894 at 9 am. A Jew appeared: Abram-Simkha Mitelman, a merchant, 24 years old, a resident of the Vinyava posad of the Lublin district and in the presence of witnesses Moshka Fridman, a merchant, 54 years old, and Shimon Mandeleil, a worker, 42 years old, residents of the city of Lublin, and presented to us the girl, announcing that she was born in the city of Lublin, at house number 533, on June 15 (27) this year at 2 pm from him and Bailey's legal wife, nee Schmaragt, 21 years old. This girl was given the name Gitlya. The later statement is not justified by anything. This act was read by those present, and, with the exception of the illiterate, signed by them.

Moshka Friedman

Shimon Mandeleil

Civil Status Official Signature
Translated by Michael Ryabinky

David S Rose was the younger brother of my maternal grandfather and Lillian was his wife.  David was born in Dec 1876 in either Germany or Russia and married Lillian Bordach (born in 1894) on Jan 18, 1917 in NY. Prior to his marriage he lived in Rochester, NY with his parents Simon & Fannie/Fruma Rose. Also living in Rochester was his sister Rose Rose LaVine & her family and for a time his brother Harry Benjamin Rose, my maternal grandfather.  David & Harry were in business together for some years, some in Rochester and then later in New York City, in ladies clothing and later men's clothing.  After his marriage in 1917 there is no trace of either David or Lillian.  David and his brother had a falling out probably after David's marriage as Harry was a witness to that marriage.  David lived with my grandparents when my mother was a baby, but she never knew him, my grandfather lost his wife in 1920 & remarried in 1925 had another child and my aunt never met him or knew anything about him.  Would love to know what happened to David & Lillian Rose, did they have children, are there any descendants today?

Carol M Jaffe, Clearwater, FL
Researching; Abraham, Meyer, Baer,Bear, Lazarus, Loewenberg, Rose/Rosinsky/Russinsky

VN88117

In Russian:

316

Состоялось в городе Лублин 15-го (28-го) сентября 1904 года в 10 часов утра.  Явился еврей: Исаак Розенцвейг, торговец, 29-и лет, житель города Люблина и в присутствии свидетелей Берки Тухмана, домовладельца, 42-х лет и Шимона Манделейла, рабочего, 52-х лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам девочку, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 92 с половиной, 8-го (21-го) сентября  этого года в 8 часов утра от него и законной жены Суры-Двойры, урожденной Вайсблех, 25-и лет.  Девочке этой дано имя Хана-Естер.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими  подписан.

Исаак Розенцвейг

Берка Тухман

Шимон Манделейл

Чиновник гражданского состояния        Подпись

Translated into English:

316

It took place in the city of Lublin on September 15 (28), 1904 at 10 o'clock in the morning. A Jew appeared: Isaac Rosenzweig, a merchant, 29 years old, a resident of the city of Lublin and in the presence of witnesses Berka Tukhman, a house owner, 42 years old, and Shimon Mandeleil, a worker, 52 years old, residents of the city of Lublin and showed us a girl, announcing, that she was born in the city of Lublin, at house number 92 and a half, on September 8 (21) of this year at 8 o'clock in the morning from him and the lawful wife of Sura-Dvoira, nee Weisblech, 25 years old. This girl was given the name Hana-Esther. This act was read to those present and signed by them.

Isaac Rosenzweig

Berka Tukhman

Shimon Mandeleil

Civil Status Official Signature
Translated by Michael Ryabinky

I also agree that you cannot trust death records as giving correct details. i searched Australian records fruitlessly for quite some time for a relative whose birth was recorded as Melbourne in his death certificate. Eventually, via another record, I found him as being born in London (which I had suspected), but even there in the British records it took time to find his birth certificate as the surname was wrongly spelt by the clerk who took the registration. Marriage and birth records in English speaking countries of people whose origin was in East Europe often suffered from the person's thick accent causing the clerks to register wrong spellings -another example in my family is Valso instead of Warsaw!

Ann Belinsky
Israel

The National Library of Lithuania online catalogue shows the holding
https://lnb.libis.lt/biSearchAction.do?BI001=C1C1B0002199149&resId=

The catalogue also shows one for 1921 and 1922. Perhaps try writing (in English) and asking them to look up the name for you.

Carol Hoffman
Tel Aviv

Per the extract of her death record on FamilySearch, the baby who died
on 28 Aug. 1905 was the daughter of Sam Shapiro and Ida Cohn. The
child who died on 13 Sept. 1905 had the parents you're looking for --
Isy Shapiro and Ida Isenberg. She's buried at Mount Zion Cemetery,
which, as others have written, still exists and has an online
database. It lists "Lilly Schapiro," who is buried on the grounds of
the Chebra Gemilis Chasodim Anshe Motele -- a society formed by
immigrants from what's now Motol, Belarus.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...

Trudy Barch <cousintrudy@...> wrote:

<<I think I have found a cousin that died as a baby (Lillie Shapiro)
in Manhattan, NY 1905. On FamilySearch, I found 2 death items with
burial dates 2 weeks apart AND different cemeteries. Parents names are
similar – Isack/Isadore and Ida Eisenberg (todays spelling). One
cemetery is Washington with burial August 28, 1905 and the other
cemetery is Mt. Zion with burial September 13, 1905.
I was not able to find either cemetery online today. Are they still
in existence? Any suggestions, how might I prove which cemetery and
date this baby/child died and was buried?.... >>