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Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Joyaa Antares
 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:23 PM, Bill Katz wrote:

He also told me his goal was to "memorialize" Holocaust victims. 

This is a term used by the Mormon church to designate a ceremony in which Jewish victims of the Holocaust are baptized by the Mormon church.

Bill - thanks for your informative post. 

The word "memorialize" is used by others than the LDS, and whilst personally I agree with many if not all of the points you have made, I hope that you are not incorrectly casting aspersions against the LDS, amongst which I have a number of both work and family history colleagues.  

Take Facebook, for example. It includes advice about how to memorialize a person's page (https://www.facebook.com/help/www/1111566045566400/?helpref=hc_fnav).  I don't think that they are an LDS organisation.

My own family website includes the words, "The site's purpose is to honour the memory of our forebears without whom, of course, we would not be here, and to provide a photographic archive and historical record of our families at large." but I could so easily have used a word like memorialise - and no, I'm not LDS.

Are you 100% certain that the person who is the object of your ire is a member of the LDS and is doing what you suggest?

Best wishes

Joyaa ANTARES,  Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia


Re: Jewish Actors (Cohen) in England ca 1916 #unitedkingdom

Dexter Moseley
 

have you tried the actors union called Equity?
Dexter Moseley


Re: Looking for information on relatives who emigrated from Brest-Litovsk to Denver, Colorado in the late 1800's #names #russia #usa

bwonder@...
 

My great grandfather, Benjamin Hyam Wonder, left Brest Litovsk for London  in the 1890s. He married Esther Levinson. Together, they had 3 children, Theobald, Robert and Fanny. Benjamin may have changed his surname from Wander to Wonder.

Bernard Wonder (Australia)


Re: "Unehelichen"/Illegitimacy: applied to mother or child? #germany

Rodney Eisfelder
 

Michael,
In this context, I think unehelichen means unmarried, and refers to the mother. Ehe means a marriage, Eheleute means a married couple.
Caveat: I am not a qualified translator, and my German is definitely not fluent.

I hope this helps,
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia


Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

David Ziants
 

First, I want to put myself into perspective:-

1) I am an avid Geni user.
2) The genealogy site that I refrain from becoming subscribed to is the "church" website. As a religious (at least try to be) and culturally aware Jew, I feel very uncomfortable in becoming a member of their site, and this means I do not have easy access to their resources unless the information is elsewhere. (I, though, tend to turn a blind eye if someone else finds family information for me from there ... maybe this is a principle I still need to work on <smile> .)
3) Although I don't remember having explicit contact with the poster here, it could quite easily be me, that responds the same way that he received response, although I try to be very careful if I make a change to the wider family tree, that there is a source for the information. I see nothing wrong with documenting on Geni our family who were killed in the holocaust, and also from extracting information that others have submitted on Pages of Testimony at Yad Vashem, etc. - and this documentation should be a further memorial.

Now, a couple of general words. Like it or not, many of us can trace our relationship to each other, sometimes through one or two marriages and sometimes also a divorce in between (then can say that the relationship is through the children of the divorced couple, if there were). So, if one uses Geni, one needs to understand that this might be the consequence. I agree that MyHeritage is better for private family trees with less collaboration, but there I do not appreciate the person who gave me a third great-grandparent on my ancestry, that is probably not mine, and I have no way to change this.

Wide traceable families  is especially true for those of us who have Dutch ancestors (whether Sephardi or Ashkenazi) as their records go back quite a number of centuries, and Jews were pretty consistent with their family names (especially the sephardim, although I have also found anomalies in my ancestry). 

Also, this is true for those of us who have family connections to any of the big Rabbinic families, whose trees are generally well documented (although plenty of holes also exist).

With respect to the "hocus pocus" stuff that is done by this church - I have no idea and it does not really concern me. They could also stand outside Bushey cemetery in London, UK, Har haMenuchot in Jerusalem, Israel or whatever other Jewish cemetery and do their hocus-pocus there - and no one could stop them. Many years ago there were anti-missionary demonstrations in Jerusalem near Har HaZaitim (Mount of Olives) because they received permission to open a college (with church inside I assume) at this place.

I hope, though, that they don't make a bid to dunk the Geni disks and hard drives in a mikva [=natural pool] - because this will void the warranty (to put it lightly) <Joke> - and might be cause to need to examine the halachic [=Jewish Law] issues with such a scenario.

Thinking about it, I could also stand outside one of the cemeteries and say the "mi sheberach" [= Prayer for the Departed] for "the souls of all those who are buried here", but I don't expect that I will be doing this. Or I could stand outside one of the hospitals and say the "mi sheberach" prayer for "all the ill people who are hospitalised here". In the former case, it is up to the family to decide whether they appreciate this, and in the latter case it is (in most cases) up to the person himself.

David Ziants

Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel


Re: Seeking England and Australia Research Help - Michael WEINSTEIN Family / Iron Mountain #unitedkingdom

David Lewin
 

you did not say "genuine what"

I accept they exist but they sure mis-function

David Lewin
London, UK


At 12:26 26/10/2020, Shulamit wrote:
Iron Mountain is genuine: see www.ironmountain.co.uk/resources/case-studies/h/hm-courts-and-tribunals-services

But they seem not to be very efficient!

Shulamit Spain
Scotland






JGS of Toronto. Free Virtual Meeting. JRI-Poland. Stanley Diamond. Wed 28 Oct 2020 at 7:30 pm ET. #events #announcements

Jerry Scherer
 

 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Toronto

presents

Jewish Records Indexing (JRI)–Poland
Speaker: Stanley Diamond M.S.M.
Executive Director, JRI–Poland, Inc.

 

VIRTUAL MEETING: Join from Home

Wednesday, 28 October 2020, at 7:30 p.m. ET.

There are two ways to attend.

Click below to register in advance for this Zoom meeting:
https://zoom.us/meeting/register/tJYude-vrz0jH9CbaZbrUKsUAkP3BSUBAIEH 
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the meeting.

OR

View this livestream meeting on our YouTube channel:

jgstoronto.ca/youtube.

 

Please make a voluntary donation at this link in the box titled  $ | Other |

JGS of Toronto is a registered charity so Canadian donors will receive a tax receipt.

 

Jewish Records Indexing (JRI) - Poland

Part 1
“What's New in JRI-Poland?” and “What's Coming in the Next Few Years?”
 
Part 2
“Learn and Ask” Workshop
 
Attendees are invited to submit their questions in advance so that duplicate questions can be combined. Time permitting, additional questions will be allowed during the session.

Send your questions to Les Kelman, lkelman@....
 
Stanley Diamond has devoted 30 years to Jewish genealogy including establishing Jewish Records Indexing – Poland and the Jewish Genealogical Society of Montreal. He also serves on the executive of the new Documentation of Jewish Records Worldwide project In 2018 he was awarded the Meritorious Service Medal of Canada in recognition for his work in documenting Jewish genealogy, and particularly for establishing and directing Jewish Records Indexing – Poland.

Mr. Diamond is a graduate of McGill and received his MBA from Harvard.

 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Toronto. 2901 Bayview Avenue, PO Box 91006. Toronto, Ontario. M2K 2Y6.

www.jgstoronto.ca   info@...  647-247-6414

 

 Jerry Scherer


Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Dahn Cukier
 

Always, always read the various links you check when signing up to a site ESPECIALLY one where  you supply information.

Reading a newspaper and registering without a CC, I have no problem checking their boxes.

But when I began uploading to findagrave.com, I read carefully the "terms and conditions" and the "privacy statement". Only then did I register.  Findagrave - then - and maybe today, the photos and information are the users, when the MOD asked me to remove photos, I was able to so so and then checked with a lawyer if the request had merit. The MOD request did not have merit, but now I review the profile of the requester and only upload a photo after getting confirmation the request is from a family member.

Unfortunately, I have not been able to visit cemeteries for 2 years but hope to get back in action one day.

Dahn Cukier


When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas
(Gunsmoke)


On Tuesday, October 27, 2020, 4:23:58 AM GMT+2, Bill Katz <wabillkatz@...> wrote:


I would like to post a caution about the privacy of information on family trees created online with Geni and about the use made of profiles of Holocaust victims by the Mormon church aka Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS) and its members.

I have been researching both sides of my family for nearly twenty years. Much of the information I learned came from Jewish Genealogy. Other details from Yad Vashem. A few years ago I started using the online family tree tool Geni. This week I learned that the details about my ancestors on Geni are neither under my control nor safe from what I consider to be abuse by the zealous Mormons.

About a week ago, while researching a family member, I came across an entry made for him on Geni by a stranger. I emailed this person and asked how he was related and what he knew about my relative. 

He evaded my questions about how he is related to that particular family member and my family in general. Soon afterwards, he started making additions and changes to my Geni family tree. He eventually admitted he is not a relative and sent me a strident note claiming the right to make any changes he wanted to the Geni tree I had created. He also told me his goal was to "memorialize" Holocaust victims. 

This is a term used by the Mormon church to designate a ceremony in which Jewish victims of the Holocaust are baptized by the Mormon church.

I made a complaint to Geni about a stranger changing my tree and tried to delete it. I found that there is no option to delete a tree once it is set up. Frantic to preserve the privacy and respect for the living and deceased family members on my tree, I removed birth and death dates and removed each person's name and photo from my tree.

Today I received the following email from a support person at Geni.

"I'm afraid it's you who have broken the rules, here. There is no prohibition -- legally, or on Geni -- on creating genealogy profiles for persons living or deceased, no matter how distantly related they may be. Geni is a shared family tree and everyone is invited to collaborate. I've undone the vandalism that you initiated three days ago.


Our policy is to honor removal requests for yourself, and for your immediate family members if there are no other users connected to those profiles. If you would like us to remove your profile and the profile of your wife from Geni, we can do that for you."

Not only does Geni not recognize the tree as the property of the person who set it up, but it considers the tree as just a branch of its “global tree”. And the property of Geni. In my case, it told me through matching records, that I am related to 13 million people on Geni. It achieves this astounding number in its unique way – my tree has a distant relative who is married. My relative's wife has a tree with her own family, none of whom I am related to except her husband. And this multiplies exponentially as members of my cousin's wife tree bring in other trees through their spouses. 

When Geni finds a matching record, e.g. my cousin, it links both trees. When I agreed to a Geni prompt that the matching record in his wife's tree and in my tree were the same person, I did not expect Geni to decide we had one family tree. This is an insidiuous way of taking control of a person's family tree. One reason Geni gives for not honouring my request to delete my tree is that other users – my cousin's wife – are connected to my tree. 

There is a page on Jewish Genealogy – The Issue of Mormon Baptism of Jewish Holocaust Dead and Other Jews - that describes an LDS promise in 1995 to desist from this practice, and its subsequent failure to do so. Here is a link to that page -

https://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html#A

The article references a database containing the records of Jewish martyrs held by LDS, steps to search this data for your relatives and an address to write to demand removal of your ancestors from it. 

Be aware as well that LDS/Mormon church maintains databases called Vital Records which have data on Holocaust victims by region. There is a Vital Record page for #David-Horodok, the shtetl that my family came from in what was then #Poland and is now in #Belarus. My great-grandfather and several members of his family who were murdered in the Holocaust are listed in these records. It is my understanding that Vital Records lists Jews who have been baptized by the Mormon/LDS church. 

After my Geni experience, I caution others about the implications of maintaining family records on Geni. Be aware that MyHeritage, also used to create family trees, is part of the same company. MyHeritage is supposed to be more private but I read an article that suggests that it may be possible to see MyHeritage records under certain circumstances. 

Bill Katz

Victoria BC, Canada

 

 


Europe's Jewish Population Continues to Decline #announcements #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Institute for Jewish Policy Research says the number of Jewish people in Europe has gone done by 60 percent in the past 50 years.

The report says this is mostly due to the exodus from the former Soviet Union which collapsed in 1951.

 

Populations drooped drastically in Russia and Ukraine, but increased in Austria, Germany, Portugal, and Spain. Some 70,000 Israeli-born Jews have also moved to Europe.

 

Jews, whose continuous presence on the continent has lasted for more than 2,200 years.

 

The report looks at three major territorial divisions:

  • the EU with its 27 member states;
  • the former republics of the Soviet Union in Europe, (noting that the three Baltic republics of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are already included among the EU 27); and
  • the balance of other countries in Europe located in part in western Europe with the prominent presence of the UK, and, in part, the Balkans.

 

The operational limits of Europe adopted in this report include the conventional geographical definition of the continent from Lisbon to Vladivostok, as well as two countries sometimes classified as part of Asia.

One is Cyprus, which is included as it is a member of the European Union. The other is Turkey, which has been included because a clear majority of its Jewish population lives in the European part of the country,

namely the neighborhoods of the Istanbul metropolitan area west of the Bosporus. Similarly, the entire Russian Republic is included in the population estimates, including Jews who live in areas actually

located in Asia beyond the Ural Mountains.

 

The Institute for Jewish Policy Research is a London-based research organization, consultancy and think-tank.


To read the report go to: https://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/JPR_2020.Jews_in_Europe_at_the_turn_of_the_Millennium.pdf

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Bill Katz <wabillkatz@...>
 

I would like to post a caution about the privacy of information on family trees created online with Geni and about the use made of profiles of Holocaust victims by the Mormon church aka Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS) and its members.

I have been researching both sides of my family for nearly twenty years. Much of the information I learned came from Jewish Genealogy. Other details from Yad Vashem. A few years ago I started using the online family tree tool Geni. This week I learned that the details about my ancestors on Geni are neither under my control nor safe from what I consider to be abuse by the zealous Mormons.

About a week ago, while researching a family member, I came across an entry made for him on Geni by a stranger. I emailed this person and asked how he was related and what he knew about my relative. 

He evaded my questions about how he is related to that particular family member and my family in general. Soon afterwards, he started making additions and changes to my Geni family tree. He eventually admitted he is not a relative and sent me a strident note claiming the right to make any changes he wanted to the Geni tree I had created. He also told me his goal was to "memorialize" Holocaust victims. 

This is a term used by the Mormon church to designate a ceremony in which Jewish victims of the Holocaust are baptized by the Mormon church.

I made a complaint to Geni about a stranger changing my tree and tried to delete it. I found that there is no option to delete a tree once it is set up. Frantic to preserve the privacy and respect for the living and deceased family members on my tree, I removed birth and death dates and removed each person's name and photo from my tree.

Today I received the following email from a support person at Geni.

"I'm afraid it's you who have broken the rules, here. There is no prohibition -- legally, or on Geni -- on creating genealogy profiles for persons living or deceased, no matter how distantly related they may be. Geni is a shared family tree and everyone is invited to collaborate. I've undone the vandalism that you initiated three days ago.


Our policy is to honor removal requests for yourself, and for your immediate family members if there are no other users connected to those profiles. If you would like us to remove your profile and the profile of your wife from Geni, we can do that for you."

Not only does Geni not recognize the tree as the property of the person who set it up, but it considers the tree as just a branch of its “global tree”. And the property of Geni. In my case, it told me through matching records, that I am related to 13 million people on Geni. It achieves this astounding number in its unique way – my tree has a distant relative who is married. My relative's wife has a tree with her own family, none of whom I am related to except her husband. And this multiplies exponentially as members of my cousin's wife tree bring in other trees through their spouses. 

When Geni finds a matching record, e.g. my cousin, it links both trees. When I agreed to a Geni prompt that the matching record in his wife's tree and in my tree were the same person, I did not expect Geni to decide we had one family tree. This is an insidiuous way of taking control of a person's family tree. One reason Geni gives for not honouring my request to delete my tree is that other users – my cousin's wife – are connected to my tree. 

There is a page on Jewish Genealogy – The Issue of Mormon Baptism of Jewish Holocaust Dead and Other Jews - that describes an LDS promise in 1995 to desist from this practice, and its subsequent failure to do so. Here is a link to that page -

https://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html#A

The article references a database containing the records of Jewish martyrs held by LDS, steps to search this data for your relatives and an address to write to demand removal of your ancestors from it. 

Be aware as well that LDS/Mormon church maintains databases called Vital Records which have data on Holocaust victims by region. There is a Vital Record page for #David-Horodok, the shtetl that my family came from in what was then #Poland and is now in #Belarus. My great-grandfather and several members of his family who were murdered in the Holocaust are listed in these records. It is my understanding that Vital Records lists Jews who have been baptized by the Mormon/LDS church. 

After my Geni experience, I caution others about the implications of maintaining family records on Geni. Be aware that MyHeritage, also used to create family trees, is part of the same company. MyHeritage is supposed to be more private but I read an article that suggests that it may be possible to see MyHeritage records under certain circumstances. 

Bill Katz

Victoria BC, Canada

 

 


Re: Seeking England and Australia Research Help - Michael WEINSTEIN Family #general #belarus #unitedkingdom

Rodney Eisfelder
 

Aaron,
Australian naturalization records do exist, but British citizens did not need to naturalize. Until 1948(?), naturalizing in Australia meant taking on British citizenship.
There are lots of sources for passenger manifests into the various Australian colonies/states. For Queensland, start at:
https://www.qld.gov.au/recreation/arts/heritage/archives/collection/immigration

Drilling down, I searched the "Registers of immigrants, Brisbane 1885-1917" for WINSTON and was able to download a list of passengers on the "Commonwealth" who arrived at Brisbane on 5-May-1913. It showed that Henry Winston was a gardener from Hartford[shire] who arrived with his son Ralph. They departed the immigration depot on 6-May for Gayndah.

I hope this helps,
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia


Re: Town in Minsk #belarus

Alexander Sharon
 

There are indeed couple of towns known as Minsk. One is the capital city of Belarus, and capital of Minsk Guberniya (Province). Second Minsk is known as Minsk Mazowiecki, seat of the local district. Town was known as Nowo-Minsk (Minsk Khadash) till the end of WWI.

Name of town "Sibishoff" within the Minsk administration division does not make too much sense there is not even close by sounding town name in Minsk or Pinsk vicinities.

In JGFF towns database there are 20 entries for Kolodner (Colodner) from the various locations. 

https://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgffform.php

Please pay special attention to the researcher Annette Katz since she is researching Colodner in London and Pinsk (Minsk Guberniya), both are coincide with your Kolodner reserch in Belarus and UK.

Colodner London England 1 Jun 2004 Click HERE to contact Annette F. Katz (#103443)

Last logged in: June 2004
Colodner  Pinsk Belarus 1 Jun 2004

Best

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


Re: Sephardic Resiliencia Festival - Virtual #sephardic

ccelaynarose3@...
 

Though I've most recently found direct lineage on my French side and was able to confirm it, my Sicilian side consists of Catalanos that I'm still researching but am told might be Jewish immigrants to Catalonia, Spain. Because they are just a maybe and cannot be confirmed, I haven't counted them yet. I will be interested in learning more about Sephardic Jewish culture for sure. Thank you!

Connie Derosier Carter
Kissimmee, FL


Are there name lists for when surnames were taken in Galicia? #galicia

Kitty Munson Cooper
 

There were name lists in Germany created when the jews were required to take surnames in about 1815. Now that I am researching my husband's Solotwina ancestors I was wondering if there was anything similar for Galicia? And what they were called and where to find them.

Kitty Cooper
currently reseaching Tieger and Igel from Solotwina


JewishGen Talks Recording Now Available - Translating Russian Documents for the Non-Russian Speaker #JewishGenUpdates

Avraham Groll
 

Dear Friends,

A recording of Dr. Alan Levin's JewishGen Talk - Translating Russian Documents for the Non-Russian Speaker - is now available by clicking here.
Please click here for a copy of the slides used during his presentation, and here for the handout.
 
We hope you will join us for our next JewishGen Talk on Tuesday, November 10th @ 3:00 PM EST, when Genie Milgrom discusses our new JewishGen Crypto Jewish Research Division. Register now at www.JewishGen.org/Live.
 
Wishing you all good health, and success with your research.
Avraham
 
Avraham Groll
Executive Director
JewishGen.org
 
PS. If you are in a position to do so, please consider contributing to our Fall Appeal. A gift of any amount will make a real difference. Gifts of $100+ qualify for premium features.
 


Re: Slovakia civil registration records #records #slovakia

David Oseas
 

Hungarian Civil Registration records for the period 1895-1980 are online at FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1452460

An excellent guide to all Slovakian records available thru LDS can be found at this website:  http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/fhl_resources.htm

Regards,
David Oseas


Original Hebrew Name for Guyon Dit Dion Family in France/Canada #names #france #canada

ccelaynarose3@...
 

My name is Connie Derosier Carter and I am new to JewishGen. I just found out this weekend, after 63 yrs of life, that I have Jewish roots in France and Canada! From what I can gather, the Guyon dit Dion family seemed to hide their culture, including their religion, right up through the 20th century for some. 

I am writing to ask for leads on where to search to find their original Hebrew name. It may be that the first ancestor here immigrated way back in the 13th century. However, I believe the name carried on since they seemed to hide their identity through the years. I found several Guyon's buried in Jewish cemeteries. And, I found my direct lineage on this site!

Thank you so much for anything that you can do to help!

Connie Carter
Kissimmee, FL


New books #hungary

Radovan Sremac
 

Hello. I would like to inform all those interested that I have published two books about Jewish families in Serbia:
1. “Jews of central Bačka during the first half of the 19th century” - the book contains lists of Jews (with date of birth and names of parents) from the period from 1765 to 1865. Includes 197 families from Kula, Vrbas, Crvenka, Savino Selo, Kruščić, Kucura.
2. “Jewish families in Zemun and the surroundings” - the book contains completely transcribed Jewish vital records (for Ashkenazi and Sephardim) for the following places in Serbia: Zemun, Ašanja, Batajnica, Beška, Bežanija, Boljevci, Čortanovci, Deč, Dobanovci, Donji Tovarnik, Golubinci, Indjija, Jakovo, Karlovčić, Krcčedin, Kupinovo, Nova Pazova, Novi Banovci, Novi Karlovci, Novi Slankamen, Obrež, Ogar, Pećinci, Petrovaradin, Petrovčić, Popinci, Prhovo, Progar, Sremska Kamenica, Stara Pazova, Stari Banovci, Surčin, Surduk, Ugrinovci, Vojka. A total of 252 families.
Both books are bilingual, Serbian-English. 
#Hungary #Serbia 

Radovan Sremac 
radovansremac@...


Sephardic Resiliencia Festival - Virtual #sephardic

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Join us for 10 events over 5 days: Film, art, music, genealogy, history, research. Register at CentroSefaradNM.org
#sephardic

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
JGS of New Mexico
CentroSefaradNM
Albuquerque, New Mexico


Re: Looking for Herman/Hyman Wayler on ships manifest #general #lithuania

jbonline1111@...
 

Is it possible that he used another name before emigrating to America?  Have you tried using a soundex to capture alternate spellings? Another possibility is to search through the manifest using age and place of origin rather than his name, in case he did change his last name.  Best wishes!
--
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

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