Re: Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania

Judy Floam

The genetic connection is interesting – it might partially explain the Litvak/Galitizaner divide about sweet things, since Jews tended to intermarry locally.


Judy Floam

Baltimore, MD

Correction: Europe's Jewish Population Continues to Decline #announcements #general

Jan Meisels Allen

My apologies for my typo. The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 not 1952.



Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee





The Institute for Jewish Policy Research says the number of Jewish people in Europe has gone done by 60 percent in the past 50 years.

The report says this is mostly due to the exodus from the former Soviet Union which collapsed in 1991.


Populations drooped drastically in Russia and Ukraine, but increased in Austria, Germany, Portugal, and Spain. Some 70,000 Israeli-born Jews have also moved to Europe.


Jews, whose continuous presence on the continent has lasted for more than 2,200 years.


The report looks at three major territorial divisions:

  • the EU with its 27 member states;
  • the former republics of the Soviet Union in Europe, (noting that the three Baltic republics of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are already included among the EU 27); and
  • the balance of other countries in Europe located in part in western Europe with the prominent presence of the UK, and, in part, the Balkans.


The operational limits of Europe adopted in this report include the conventional geographical definition of the continent from Lisbon to Vladivostok, as well as two countries sometimes classified as part of Asia.

One is Cyprus, which is included as it is a member of the European Union. The other is Turkey, which has been included because a clear majority of its Jewish population lives in the European part of the country,

namely the neighborhoods of the Istanbul metropolitan area west of the Bosporus. Similarly, the entire Russian Republic is included in the population estimates, including Jews who live in areas actually

located in Asia beyond the Ural Mountains.


The Institute for Jewish Policy Research is a London-based research organization, consultancy and think-tank.

To read the report go to:


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Joan Parker

I've been following this thread and wonder if this suggestion might be viable... or if I'm  being very naive. Since one cannot eliminate bad stuff added to their tree (I too had the ex-wife's family of my nephew added by  Randy Schoenberg.  It was just there one day and I have no interest in her or her family).  Her branch is not on my Ancestry or  My Heritage trees.  Can one make a gedcom of their other  tree and DL it to Geni as an upgrade to their Geni tree?  Would this eliminate all the bad stuff? Or is this just too simplistic?
Joan Parker
Past President/Archivist
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
1) GOLDBERG/ GOULD, GOODSTEIN/GUDSTEIN, BERGER, GERBER/CRAWFORD, JAGODA-Lipno, Plonsk, Plock, Poland-Russia; Warsaw, Poland-Russia; Galveston, TX; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY, Portland, OR, Los Angeles/Hollywood, CA.
2)  PARKER/PINKUS, WINOGRAD, (GERSHO-BEROVNA?)., R0SEN, -Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY. WEISS, NEIKRUG, DEL PINO--Brooklyn, NY.  RABWIN--Hollywood, CA, Salt Lake City, UT. CLAYTON-California.
3) GELFAND, KRITZOFF, KATZ, TROCK --Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

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Re: Slovakia civil registration records #records #slovakia

Vivian Kahn

JewishGen's Hungarian Research Division has a Slovak Archives Project that is undertaking digitization and transcription of all of the the Hungarian civil registration records held by Slovak Archives. Peter Absolon, our researcher, started in archives in eastern Slovakia, close to his base in Kosice and is working his way across the country as time and funds allow.  Because of privacy rules, records are only available for births, deaths, and marriages more than 100 years ago.

Sarah Feuerstein, the Hungarian Division's Vital Records Coordinator, needs qualified transcribers to help translate the records. If you can do so, please contact me off-list. We also need donations to allow this work to move forward. To donate, go to JewishGen's Generosity Page and donate to the Hungarian Division's General Fund.  

Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, California
JewishGen Director of Hungarian Research

Re: Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania

Jules Levin

Salt and pepper on sour cream? yum; salt and pepper on a banana? ugh

Jules Levin

On 10/27/2020 7:13 AM, ifolkson@... wrote:
Salt & pepper was all I needed.  My mothers family was from Ukraine.

Iris Folkson

Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Martyn Woolf

I have read the various comments about GENI and the Mormons. Some considerable number of years ago I was Chairman of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain, when the question arose of Mormons baptizing both Holocaust victims and other Jewish dead. I took it up very strongly with the Mormons here in the U.K. and received a positive assurance that the practice had been abandoned because of the number of complaints. I believe that we received a letter confirming this.

In any event I agree with a number of comments about it over the years, that it does not make a great deal of difference; perhaps the more deceased Jews that are baptised by the Mormons,  the better the Mormons will be.  (That should attract a bit of correspondence).

As to GENI, this is a site that does arouse my ire. It is not so much a genealogical site as a place to find "Mishpocha". If I need the name of my ex sister-in-law's cousin's chauffeur,  that is the place to go.  For serious genealogical research, it is not.  A lady asked me a year or two ago for some help on her tree. She said that she had been "doing" her tree for nearly a year and only had about 32,000 relatives.  I told her that I had been researching my family for more than twenty years and still had not found anywhere near 1,000.  The difference is that my tree is sourced. If people want to "Hoover up" what purports to be fact, from such sites, let them do so. It probably makes them very happy.

Having now established myself as a grumpy old man, there is one tip that I would pass on and which I have used for years.  I have the habit of putting surnames in upper case when I am 100% certain of my view.  It allows me to see very easily when some antecedent needs some more work.

Martyn Woolf

Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Sarah L Meyer

I put a small tree on Geni years ago and keep getting messages about smart matches with my own My Heritage tree.  I too would like to delete it.  If there is a process to do that, please let me know.  I have not added to it and  will not.  That said, I am not sure that this person is LDS, but if he is, he is breaking their rules.  
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania


Salt & pepper was all I needed.  My mothers family was from Ukraine.

Iris Folkson

Europe's Jewish Population Continues to Decline #announcements #general


The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, not 1951.

Yale Zussman

Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general


Well these posts explain a few things....I recently found that someone took a line back on my family tree to the 300's BCE maybe, I don't remember exactly, but it was in that time period anyway. The name eludes me but he began with an E but the town....was Asgard! LIke Thor!

I did some research and cannot locate a real ancient town of Asgard. and now I'm stuck with it, can't verify it nor can I delete any of the garbage from the verified information.

What a waste!

Thank you for presenting this information and listening to me vent!

Connie Carter
Kissimmee. Florida

Re: "Unehelichen"/Illegitimacy: applied to mother or child? #germany


Dear Michael,
the one who decleared the birth probably was the midwife, the mother of the child Regina was the illegitimate Karolina nee Isaak, age 24 years.
Wolfgang Fritzsche

Re: Help with dates from 1800s Russia/Poland #general


Reply to Alan Cohen:

I think that "2699" would only be "2nd June 1899" if there was punctuation between the month, day, and year parts of the date... -- and if dates were written as in today's UK (as opposed to today's US -- where the 2nd of June of 1899 would be "June 2, 1899" or "6/2/1899" or  (perhaps -- during the 19th century) "6/2/99".

(It would also be an unusual coincidence (although not nearly impossible) for the (I assume couple) to have died 4 years apart on the asme date of the Gregorian calendar (June 2nd). )

I believe that it would be helpful if Ms. Barch (in the US State of Florida) could at least explain what else (besides the names and the numbers) was on the "piece of paper" where the names of Abram and of Mejta -- and the numbers "2696" and "2699" were found (Was this an official document (if so, from which government, and for what purpose?) ? What other information was in the document other than these 2 persons' names and the 2 numbers? Was anyone else listed on the "piece of paper? Was this a census, or passenger manifest, or some other kind of list?? (Or does/did the "piece of paper" just contain the 2 names and numbers? (If it is possible to know:) Who created the document? Are the names and numbers printed, stamped, or handwritten?) -- to have clues as to the context of the numbers, and (better; if possible) if Ms. Barch could somehow scan (and enable others to view online) the part of the "piece of paper" on which the 2 names and the 2 numbers were found.

I do hope that more information about the "piece of paper" can be shared -- because otherwise, stating what the 2 numbers signified would probably only be guesswork -- I think.

Good Luck to Ms. Barch.

Ethan W. Kent (in New York City)


Nuszbaum and Diosi/Diosy from Oradea, Romania (a.k.a. Nagyvarad) #hungary #romania #holocaust

Steve Stein

My GGGM was Betti Nuszbaum Steiner. She married my GGGF Refael Steiner and lived in Szilagynagyfalu (today Nusfalau, Romania) where she raised several children, among them my GGM Roza. There are extensive records from that region on the JG Hungary Database and I have a pretty good descendant tree for her, two brothers, and a sister.

I have tentatively associated her with the Betti Nuszbaum listed as a child in the 1848 Hungarian Census found on the JG Hungary Database, based on age and location. On that census list, she has brothers who I have subsequently found changed their surname legally to Diosi or Diosy (a translation from German/Yiddish to Hungarian, apparently). At least one appears to have relocated to Budapest. The motivation for the name change appears to have been to integrate or assimilate. At least one Diosy went to medical school in Hungary in the late 1800s.

Records for those brothers and for various Diosy descendants from Nagyvarad appear in the JG Hungary Database from that time period, and assembled on Geni and FTJP. However, the descendant trail appears to grow cold - there are no other researchers listed in JGFF for Diosi in any location. I can find several Diosys from Nagyvarad/Oradea on the Yad Vashem database.

Is this surname familiar to anyone? Did the Diosy surname disappear due to the Holocaust, or perhaps the descendant of the Diosys did not remain Jewish? TIA.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ USA

Re: Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania

Judith Singer

There is such a thing as the "Gefilte Fish Line" (referred to above) which roughly divides Galitzianers (who generally preferred their foods, such as gefilte fish, sweet) from Litvaks (who preferred their gefilte fish and other foods savory). The line corresponds also to the the boundary between the two main Yiddish dialects — the central Polish/Galician (Poylish/Galitzianer), and the more northern Lithuanian (Litvak). There are articles about this; one is at . 

Someone above also asked whether ancestors from Minsk rendered her as a Litvak or a Galitzianer. I didn't see an answer, so I'll add that, roughtly speaking, ancestors from Lithuania and most of Belarus (historically part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania) were Litvaks. 

Judith Singer 


Re: Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania

Jill Whitehead

All my family were Litvaks from NE Poland. When my mother made potato latkes they had nothing on them. We ate them as they came. My family would never put anything sweet on meals that were main course. Sweet things were reserved for puddings/desserts. 

This is rather like what you do with porridge. My mother as a Scot put salt on her porridge. English people put sugar on their porridge.  I do not like porridge, so never have it!

It surely depends on your taste what you do - and taste is genetically defined. I lack the gene for alcohol -  I do not enjoy its taste. But counter to that I love the taste of vinegar and also things like sprouts - which are also genetically defined. 23andme have these traits to test. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Jewish Actors (Cohen) in England ca 1916 #unitedkingdom

Diane Jacobs

Have you tried to access The Jewish Chronicle ?  You might referes to your family from this London paper.

Diane Jacobs

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Dave Smith <daves@...>
Date: 10/26/20 10:05 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [] Jewish Actors (Cohen) in England ca 1916 #unitedkingdom


I am seeking any information available on Hyman Cohen (b 1866) and his
son Julius Cohen (1889-1947) who I understand were both actors. In
particular I am trying to trace their movements around England in the
period ca 1916. Any help or ideas will be most gratefully received. I
have not been able to identify them clearly in the 1901 & 1911 census
and I am not even sure when Hyman died.

Thanks You and Best Wishes
Dave Smith (01892 835974 / 07896 310693)
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: "Unehelichen"/Illegitimacy: applied to mother or child? #germany

David Lewin

True - but the child is an uneheliches Kind

At 10:27 27/10/2020, Rodney Eisfelder wrote:
In this context, I think unehelichen means unmarried, and refers to the mother. Ehe means a marriage, Eheleute means a married couple.
Caveat: I am not a qualified translator, and my German is definitely not fluent.

I hope this helps,
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia

Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Max Heffler

IMHO, the whole point of genealogy is to create the most accurate record of our ancestry. Collaborative sites, like geni, provide the best possibility of progressive correctness for this record. When mistakes are found, they are corrected. There is no way I would have the accuracy I do have without this collaboration, i.e. if my tree remained in a silo of isolated privacy. I have reconnected so many formerly-lost lines using a combination of geni, MyHeritage, Ancestry and DNA testing.


Full disclosure: I am a geni curator


Max Heffler

Houston, TX


Web sites I manage - Personal home page, Greater Houston Jewish Genealogical Society, Woodside Civic Club, Skala, Ukraine KehilalLink, Joniskelis, Lithuania KehilaLink, and pet volunteer project - Yizkor book project:

Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Jeffrey Herrmann

Thanks, Bill, for that lengthy description of your experience with Geni.  If I am not mistaken, FamilySearch also takes the position that once you post a tree, they own it.  
The problem you describe is especially poignant because it is so personal, but it is part of the broader problem that the online genealogical websites are vast digital garbage heaps of misinformation, with here and there just enough true data to keep drawing us back to them.  I have lost count of the number of rabbit holes I descended into in pursuit of the sources for entries regarding my ancestors.  I almost always come away with nothing substantiated but a mounting resentment toward careless amateur genealogists who post nonsense.  My own opinion is that it is best to restrict your usage to digitized records and completely ignore online trees.  You may miss out on something helpful, and fear of missing out is a powerful psychological motivator, but you will enjoy many hours of life otherwise wasted.
Jeffrey Herrmann

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