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Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

lydgateaction@...
 

Except that it isn't anything like Wikipedia. There are a huge number of problems with this type of "genealogy" of which erroneous data is just one. But even at this level: 

Wikipedia, imperfect as it is does not involve mass cloning  and propagation of errors, not only within the Wikipedia database but elsewhere. Correction is at one point only, has to be justified, and there is a well developed structure for controlling this process. Comparing this type of nonsense  genealogy to Wikipedia is like comparing apples and belly button fluff. It's like saying that holocaust denial is a good thing because the more dishonesty out there the greater the opportunity to convey truth. 

Aubrey Blumsohn

Sheffield, UK


Re: Looking for the whereabouts of Gussie HOCH #galicia

Sherri Bobish
 


NTalbot,

The certificate states that the doctor attended Gussie from March 19th to April 8th, which is 21 days.

The length of stay in hospital is 10 years, ? months, and 5 days.  This is written as 3 lines.  A bit hard to see because of the large number 2 over it.

I think the large number 2 over that part of the document could have gotten there by mistake.

I also noted that in the section for informant's name it states the info came from the records of the hospital, which may infer that no relative was found to be informed of her passing.

The certificate also states that Gussie is buried at the State Hospital cemetery.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Rosner and Feiwish Rosenkrantz born in Zychlin (lived in Lodz, perished in Holocaust). #holocaust

Neil Rosenstein
 

Trying to make contact with Elie Rosner of Paris, France who posted a
Page of Testimony to Yad VaShem in 2007 for his wife's grandfather,
Feiwel Rosenkrantz. descendants of Baharir rabbinical family.
Dr. Neil Rosenstein, Elizabeth, NJ


Re: Creating a map in Europe #general

davide@...
 

Hi Moishe,

As your grandparents came from Hungary and reached a port city in Italy, it is very likely that such a city was Trieste. If they continued travelling by ship from there, they had to cross the whole Adriatic sea, pass south to Sicily, cross the Mediterranean sea, enter the Atlantic ocean at Gibraltar and travel along the entire coast of Portugal, France and enter the English Channel. Otherwise, they had to stop somewhere along the western coast of France, continuing by land to Paris. Anyway, it is very unlikely they reached Paris directly by ship, as Paris is not on any coast.

But as you write that they travelled in 1938, before the war, I take the liberty to say that very likely they travelled by land, probably by train. Italy and France have a common boundary, therefore that's the easiest way to move; from Trieste they might have reached Venice, Milan, Turin, then Lyon and Paris. Or from Milan they might have reached Zuerich (Switzerland) and then crossed France to Paris.

I hope this might help.

Regards,
Davide Csermely
Italy  
davide@...


Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Max Heffler
 

Just like Wikipedia provide the ability for correcting the incorrect, my tree is infinitely more correct as people have found and suggested corrections, which I have gladly made. This would be impossible with all of the siloed incorrect private trees. Seems every private siloed tree has the same and different errors that do not get corrected. I prefer progressive correctness to leave those that follow me after I am gone

 

Max Heffler

Houston

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Herrmann via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2020 5:17 AM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 09:12 AM, Max Heffler wrote:

You claim “Collaborative sites, like geni, provide the best possibility of progressive correctness for this record.”  

What is your evidence for this bold assertion?  The anecdotal evidence reported by many users of these sites suggests that the posted trees become progressively more incorrect as careless users cut and paste each others errors into ever more trees.  This is the antithesis of “progressive correctness.”

Jeffrey Herrmann
London


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Max Heffler
Houston, TX
max@...
HEFFLER(Ukraine)/TIRAS(Poland)/WASSEMAN(Lithuania)/MOORE(Poland)/ZLOT(Lithuania)
GORENSTEIN(Ukraine)/FLEISCHMAN(Latvia)/GOLDEN(Lithuania)


Re: Looking for Herman/Hyman Wayler on ships manifest #general #lithuania

donna@...
 

Barbara - what search resources would you recommend? I am having a similar issue with finding a relative's manifest. I have looked at Ancestry and Family Search. I tried Steven Morse, but it doesn't link properly. I would like to try searching using different fields as you suggest.

Thanks!

~Donna Borok Moss


Re: Looking for help Zabokrich #ukraine

Sherri Bobish
 


Re: Jewish Actors (Cohen) in England ca 1916 #unitedkingdom

Michael Hoffman
 

A good place to look is in your local Central Library, which could/should have a copy of "Who's Who in the Theatre". this publication has not only information about Actors but information about Theatres in the UK.

Regards,

Michael Hoffman

Borehamwood,
HERTS. UK 


Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

David Lewin
 

That is precisely why web-based genealogy trees cannot be trusted.

I have long since stopped adding anything to mine

David Lewin
London


At 14:47 28/10/2020, Stephen Katz via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
I'm grateful to Bill Katz (no relation, as far as I'm aware, but hey, who knows) for his thoughtful and detailed exposition of his bad experiences with geni.com. I have had had the same horrid experiences. I naively started a geni tree in the very early days of my adventure in genealogy. At some point, I realized that it had essentially been hijacked by others, who were adding all sorts of rubbish to it. When I delved into geni's policies, I became aware that when you put a tree on that site you lose control over it. I did not contact geni as Bill did, so I did not receive the unacceptable response from geni "support" that he did -- which included the appalling accusation that he'd "vandalized" his own tree! As I've said before in this forum and others, whenever anyone asks me about genealogy websites, I advise them to avoid geni at all costs.
To a poster who advised reading a site's policies before adding a tree to it: sure, one might eventually glean from the site's turgid and opaque policy recitations that someone who creates a tree on geni loses control over it, but how many prople have the time, inclination, or ability to do this? This is, indeed, what this and many other sites rely on to effectively hide how the sites actually work, and why the EU and other jurisdictions have felt the need to address it.
Stephen Katz
USA


Re: "Unehelichen"/Illegitimacy: applied to mother or child? #germany

sjgwed@...
 

Years ago, when I first found an online copy of my grandfather's 1883 birth info and name listed as "Unehelichen"/illegitimate, I wondered why, as there was no question or doubt that his parents were married in a religious ceremony.
 
Since then, I have heard that listing the birth of a Jewish baby as illegitimate was common in civil records, and that it's quite likely that the records of Jewish births, like those of marriages and deaths, were reported and registered in the town's Kehilah, where Jewish records were kept - but they were not listed in the civil offices of the town.

Susan J. Gordon
White Plains NY
sjgwed@...
Zbaraz - BIALAZURKER, SCHONHAUT 
Lvov, Chortzkow, Skalat - LEMPERT - 


Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

ELIAS SAVADA
 

I agree with Jeffrey,
 
I gave up on Geni because it does allow people to make massive mistakes that are impossible to correct. Years ago I added a small piece of my own branch there. Someone added children for my late sister. She had none. I should know. While I might look for hints on that website, no way would I want others to mess with my full tree. Too many hands in the pot.
 
-----------------
Elias Savada
Bethesda MD
 

From: Jeffrey Herrmann
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:12:07 EDT 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 09:12 AM, Max Heffler wrote:

You claim “Collaborative sites, like geni, provide the best possibility of progressive correctness for this record.”  
What is your evidence for this bold assertion?  The anecdotal evidence reported by many users of these sites suggests that the posted trees become progressively more incorrect as careless users cut and paste each others errors into ever more trees.  This is the antithesis of “progressive correctness.”

--
Elias Savada
Bethesda MD
esavada@...


Re: Looking for help Zabokrich #ukraine

Alexander Sharon
 

Len,

A Jewish history of shtetl Zabokrich is written in Russian. Please use Google translate the article.

https://stmegi.com/posts/71070/evreyskaya-istoriya-mestechka-zhabokrich/


Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Stephen Katz
 

I'm grateful to Bill Katz (no relation, as far as I'm aware, but hey, who knows) for his thoughtful and detailed exposition of his bad experiences with geni.com. I have had had the same horrid experiences. I naively started a geni tree in the very early days of my adventure in genealogy. At some point, I realized that it had essentially been hijacked by others, who were adding all sorts of rubbish to it. When I delved into geni's policies, I became aware that when you put a tree on that site you lose control over it. I did not contact geni as Bill did, so I did not receive the unacceptable response from geni "support" that he did -- which included the appalling accusation that he'd "vandalized" his own tree! As I've said before in this forum and others, whenever anyone asks me about genealogy websites, I advise them to avoid geni at all costs.
To a poster who advised reading a site's policies before adding a tree to it: sure, one might eventually glean from the site's turgid and opaque policy recitations that someone who creates a tree on geni loses control over it, but how many prople have the time, inclination, or ability to do this? This is, indeed, what this and many other sites rely on to effectively hide how the sites actually work, and why the EU and other jurisdictions have felt the need to address it.
Stephen Katz
USA


Re: translation from Russian needed #translation

misomaja@...
 

The name Hannah (Хана in Russian) is in a wrong grammatical case in the writing, which makes one think that either the person was not very literate in Russian or there is a missing word "from", which was possibly cut out. If the former then Hannah was the addressee, if the latter then she was the person who gave the photo to her sister. The handwriting looks very solid, so I don't think she was illiterate. On the other hand there's tons of room for the Russian word "от" (from), it would even look odd if it was to the left or to the right of the existing text. There is also a small chance that the name was actually Hany (Ханы), but that is odd as well. To summarize, I am not sure if it was given to Hannah or by Hannah...

Mikhail Matusov
ON, Canada


Re: Slovakia civil registration records #records #slovakia

Sally Bruckheimer
 

Civil registration was only for Jews. The church took care of recording the Christians.

Sally


Re: Sephardic Resiliencia Festival - Virtual #sephardic

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Go to CentroSefaradNM.org for the BIG  poster and easy registration.
It is also on the CentroSefaradNM facebook page.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
JGS of New Mexico
Centro Sefarad NM


Webinar about Jewish cemeteries in Polish genealogical research #events #poland

Daniel Horowitz
 

Hi all, 
This Thursday 29 Oct. 2020 "Your Roots in Poland" organize another webinar that I hope you will find interesting:
Bond of life. Jewish cemeteries in Polish genealogical research.

Here's a link to the event: https://linkd.pl/d2sa
During this webinar the lecturer will show you how to find information on Jewish ancestors buried in Poland. Will talk about Jewish cemeteries in Poland – their locations, online databases and pass you a few tips on how to find your Jewish ancestor’s grave in Polish archives and online databases.
The webinar is FREE and open to all, but you must register at https://linkd.pl/c9cz

Enjoy!!
NOTE: I have no relation to the "Your Roots in Poland" organization and post this only for the benefit of the Jewish genealogy community.
Daniel Horowitz


Re: Looking for the whereabouts of Gussie HOCH #galicia

NTalbot
 

Hi Sherri,
Thanks so much for your information. It makes sense what you write about Gussie being at St. Lawrence for psychiatric reasons. The only thing that confuses me about this is that on the death certificate--please see attached, where I've circled in red-- in the box that indicates 'Length of stay in town, city or village' it looks like the number 2 is written over '5 days' on the bottom of the box. What do you think is the meaning of that?

NTalbot
Brooklyn, NY

NEGER, SPINRAD (Dynow, Poland)
TOLPEN (Suchostaw, Poland/Sukhostav, Ukraine)
DISTENFELD, ADLER, WILDER (Kamionka Strumilowa, Poland/Kamianka-Buzka, Ukraine)


Help Needed In New York-Abraham ROSNER (1885-1979) #usa #germany

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners,

Just discovered that my late grandfather Chiel Jakub ROSNER(1866-1942) had a brother names Hirsch who had a son Abraham Jakub ROSNER. 

This is what we know about him :Abraham Rosner, born 16.08.1885 in Zabno, Poland
Wife: Erna Rosner, née Kupferblum, born on 01.07.1887 in Ostrowitz
Abraham Rosner: Schoolboyhood/apprenticeship in Zabno/Poland; 1907 he came to Leipzig, 1909 to Düsseldorf; 1911 he founded a furniture and linen installment business in Wallstr. 47, where they lived; on January 9th, 1935 he moved to Brooklyn, USA (emigration), where he first ran a small colonial goods shop.

I found on Ancestry their entry to the USA in 1935 where Erna is Ester and no children mentioned.  Abraham died in Israel in 1979 and the burial society has no record of his relatives. Ester may have died in New York in 1956(based on SSDI). A person related to the Kupferblums  remembers that:
 "My grandfather (Gershon Kupferblum)’s aunt Ester lived in Williamsburg/Brooklyn with her husband in the 1950s. They were orthodox Jews, and ran a “wine shop.” I believe they had a son named Paul. Maybe a daughter or daughter-in-law named Rose?"
Need to find Paul ROSNER  and  Rose. Did not see anything at the 1940 census.

Thanks

Jacob Rosen

Jerusalem

abuwasta@...
 


Re: Could you someone help me with translating a gravestone from Hebrew to English? #translation

binyaminkerman@...
 

A bitter eulogy we mourn, mother and 7 sons and 2 daughters, on the death of the upright husband and father Reb Yitzchak son of Reb Abraham Goldstein of blessed memory, died at the age of 47 years 10 days to month of Adar 1 5643. His good to the people of his faith will be remembered for his soul. May his soul be bound in the bonds of life in the garden of Eden, amen.

Reb is just a title like Mr and doesn't signify being a Rabbi. In leap years there are two months of Adar. The date corresponds to February 16th after sunset or the 17th 1883.

Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD

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