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Re: Jocelyne Dumay from Paris #hungary #france

Family and DNA
 

As David knows, in France/French, "Jocelyn" will be a man, & "Jocelyne" will be a woman, so this cannot be the correct person unfortunately.

Without knowing a husband's (last) name, it might be hard to find her, but there are not too many male Dumays in Paris in the "pages blanches" (https://www.pagesjaunes.fr/pagesblanches). There's a 2004 post on Filae from Jocelyne asking about the Munz name, but it shows a last log-in in 2006. Google has just 1 person with that name often mentioned, a farmer not in Paris but worth a look. Since this is a living person I won't add more details here.

Good luck!

Juliana Berland
Rennes, France

On 11/6/2020 00:52, David Choukroun wrote:
Dear Georges,

can it be her : Jocelyn Dumay (1968-1993)



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David CHOUKROUN

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FRANCE

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Re: Jocelyne Dumay from Paris #hungary #france

David Choukroun
 

Dear Georges,

can it be her : Jocelyn Dumay (1968-1993)



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David CHOUKROUN

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FRANCE

CHOUKROUN ATTALI ATLANI

Re: SSDI opinions #general

Diane Jacobs
 

Census records were also used to describe a person's age for social security

Diane Jacobs 



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From: "Friedman, H George" <friedman@...>
Date: 11/5/20 5:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] SSDI opinions #general

My mother worked as a legal secretary for a lawyer in a small town in Louisiana for a couple of years, right out of high school. This would have been in the mid-1930s. In later years, she recalled the legal problems of people who had no birth registration, which was not unusual among older people in that state signing up for social security. She remembered calling on a few residents of the town who "knew everybody" and having them sign affidavits that so-and-so was born in such-and-such a year. That date would then find its way into Social Security records. Of course, if it was off a bit....

George Friedman
Champaign, IL
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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey
Re: Lithuania SIG Vilnius household registers - 5,000 lines of new data available #lithuania

Amir Gur
 

Thanks sounds good.

Qs:

1.  What's a good process to figure out more on the data we already see on our family?  We got specific questions on the history of our family members.  Questions on some data we're already seeing, if there are ways to clarify it.  And also we got some members we can't find at all. 
Is there a specific person you recommend to ask?  Or place all details on a work-ticket, or just a message on this board?

Our family is mostly have been in Vilnius and small towns around it.  One common the Soly shtetl. 

Our family name in the listing shows most commonly on jewishgen is Gordonovich.  But few variations exist.  One is Gordonowicz which seems like the Polish version.  Other variations include Gordonovitch, Gordonovitz. 
Some variations went further, to an extent it's not clear if they are at all related.  They could be still related since after searching a bit, it seems name-variations are very common.  One such further example is: Gardenvitz

2.  Is there a way to tell which data came from which Batch into the ALD?

Thanks,
Amir Gur (Gordonowicz)
Re: Rothenberg family tree #general

Dan Rottenberg
 

I have long theorized that anyone with any variation of the name Rothenberg is likely descended from the 13th Century German Rabbi Meir of Rothenburg (1215-1293) or one of his disciples. See my letter to Avotaynu (Spring 2004), or contact me privately and I'll send a digital copy to anyone who's interested..
Dan Rottenberg
Philadelphia PA 
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Re: SSDI opinions #general

Friedman, H George
 

My mother worked as a legal secretary for a lawyer in a small town in Louisiana for a couple of years, right out of high school. This would have been in the mid-1930s. In later years, she recalled the legal problems of people who had no birth registration, which was not unusual among older people in that state signing up for social security. She remembered calling on a few residents of the town who "knew everybody" and having them sign affidavits that so-and-so was born in such-and-such a year. That date would then find its way into Social Security records. Of course, if it was off a bit....

George Friedman
Champaign, IL
Re: SSDI opinions #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

"sometimes made themselves a year or two older. Presumably so that they could start collecting benefits sooner"

This is why the SSA used the actual birth record, and if that weren't available, the first census showing the person or some other record.

My mother, for example, had a birth record, but there was a fire in Buffalo City Hall at some point, and mother had to send the one she had for a Teacher's Certificate. So the SSA used the first census where she appeared. For immigrants, they might have used naturalization documents or passenger list information - the older the better for records, but they never took anyone's word for it.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
Re: SSDI opinions #general

m_tobiasiewicz@...
 

The SSDI is a reliable source. When people registered for social security, they had to present documentation of birth.
There is also the social security 
As far as comparing ages on the SSDI and the WW1 draft registration, I wouldn't get too hung up on it. No documentation of birth was required to enlist. Boys said they were older because they wanted to go fight. Older men often put down a date that showed they were younger because they wanted to defend freedom, their new country, etc. 

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Maryellen Tobiasiewicz
family from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
Gorlice powiat Poland
Lviv Oblast Ukraine
Re: SSDI opinions #general

jbonline1111@...
 

When I have used the SSDI to check death dates, I have found them to match other sources I had, such as family memory and/or death certificates.  It may not be a reliable source for age for the reasons that Peter Cohen mentioned. I have at least three ages for my paternal grandfather, for example, not including the SSDI, which did not exist when he died in 1917.  I had to go with the preponderance of the evidence, giving some weight to the death certificate, presuming the information was given my grandmother.  
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC
Translation Request - Hungarian #hungary #translation

Aaron Slotnik
 

Hello,

I would like as complete a translation as possible of the death record for Ignacz BLUM found on the FamilySearch site at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X969-8VV?i=166&cc=1452460 .

I particularly need to understand the information about his parents--what it says about Szilagy-Cseh for his father and about Gebe for his mother.

Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide!

Kind Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL
Re: SSDI opinions #general

Peter Cohen
 

One thing I have noticed about the Social Security Death Index...The people who got themselves into the Social Security system in the early days sometimes made themselves a year or two older. Presumably so that they could start collecting benefits sooner.  You will see the same month and day as a draft registration, but if not matching, they would be a year or two older.  Also, there is something strange about World War I draft registrations. In a large number of cases, the registration card makes the person one year younger than all other documents.  I am not sure what the goal of that was. It did not seem to be related to whether the person was old enough to serve. It almost seemed like the draft board itself was behind it.  I see this more in non-Jewish areas (perhaps because so many Jews in New York City that had to fill out that card didn't actually know when they were born anyway.)
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Peter Cohen
California
More: Findmypast Free Access All Military Records November 5-12 #records #unitedkingdom #usa #announcements #canada

Jan Meisels Allen
 

I should have also given you the links for the other countries where there is free access to Findmypast military records. My apologies:

 

United Kingdom:  https://www.findmypast.co.uk/page/free-access

 

Australia: https://www.findmypast.com.au/page/free-access

 

Ireland:  https://www.findmypast.ie/page/free-access

 

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 

 

 

 

 

Findmypast is offering free access to all of their military records November 5-12, 2020.  Go to: https://www.findmypast.com/page/free-access . They have over 60 million military and conflict records from national

and international conflicts dating from 1760 to the 20th century. Their records cover the United States, Canada, Ireland, United Kingdom and Australia and New Zealand. Please click on which geographical area you

are searching on the aforementioned link to learn more about their records for those countries.

 

Note: many of the records are transcriptions and not the actual record. The record source is given.

 

You do need to register with name and email address- no credit card information is required.

 

I have no affiliation with Findmypast and am posting this solely for the information of the reader.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 
Findmypast Free Access All Military Records November 5-12 #announcements #canada #records #unitedkingdom #usa

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

Findmypast is offering free access to all of their military records November 5-12, 2020.  Go to: https://www.findmypast.com/page/free-access . They have over 60 million military and conflict records from national

and international conflicts dating from 1760 to the 20th century. Their records cover the United States, Canada, Ireland, United Kingdom and Australia and New Zealand. Please click on which geographical area you

are searching on the aforementioned link to learn more about their records for those countries.

 

Note: many of the records are transcriptions and not the actual record. The record source is given.

 

You do need to register with name and email address- no credit card information is required.

 

I have no affiliation with Findmypast and am posting this solely for the information of the reader.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 
Re: Help with tracing marriages of Great and Great great grandparents #romania #russia

krausj2@...
 

I'd be interested in hearing how you uncover such specific dates as well, Aline, but I can offer two thoughts from someone who's spent a lot of time in on-line archives from Romanian Jewry of that time.

First, many marriages were recorded well after the fact. In the eyes of the authorities, that made most children "illegitimate." I have several examples of marriages taking place when the children were already in their teens.

Second, if you are trying to distinguish between two possibilities for your great-grandmother's father's name, I think "Grunberg" is more likely. "Osias" -- often "Osias Hersch" as I've seen it -- was a common first name. By the same token, I have come across a number of Grunberg surnames from the period (and am even distantly related to some). I suspect it was a matter of a confused form, and it's likely that your g-g-grandfather on that line would have been Osias Grunberg, father of Ghitl.

I'm happy to be corrected by someone who knows more than I do, but that's my educated guess.

Good luck
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Joe Kraus
Shavertown, PA
krausj2@...
Searching for the MIESZCZANIN/MASTIN and ZISOOK families #belarus #usa

Bob Silverstein
 

I am looking for the Mieszczanin and Zisook families from Motol, Antopol and Drohitchin.  Zisook has other spellings such as Ziszuk, and Czuk.   Mieszczanin became Mastin and Maston.  The families settled mainly in Chicago.  My particular challenge is to find out who was the couple that gave rise to this extended family.

Thanks for your help.

Bob Silverstein
bobsilverstein@...
Elk Grove Village, IL

Researching Kaplan (Krynki, Poland) Tzipershteyn (Logishin, Pinsk, Belarus), Friedson/Fridzon (Motol, Cuba, Massachusetts), Israel and Goodman (Mishnitz, Warsaw, Manchester).

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Re: ViewMate Translation Request - Russian #translation

David Mason
 

It’s interesting that the birth certificate shows the mother’s maiden name.  That’s a somewhat rare commodity in our genealogical endeavors!

 

-David Mason in Culver City, CA

 
Help with translation of difficult Yiddish photo description #yiddish #translation #israel #poland #photographs

kosfiszer8@...
 

This is a photo of a wedding party in Israel in 1972. I need help with the difficult Yiddish it is written in, plus the condition of the photo paper ,due to humidity, that affected the writing.

Angel Kosfiszer
Richardson, Texas, USA.
ViewMate translation request - Russian #lodz #translation #poland

kesspark@...
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88364
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.
Rachel Keiles Kessler Park
NYC
Need translation for "Gothic" German #translation #poland #warsaw

kesspark@...
 

I have letters written in "Gothic" German that need translation. Can anyone help me with this?
Do you know why someone would write in Gothic German rather than German? The author of the letters taught German in Warsaw in the 1920s-1930s.

One letter (two pages) is on viewmate:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88358
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88359

Thank you in advance,
Rachel Keiles Kessler Park
NYC
Re: ViewMate Translation Request - Russian #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

In Russian:

#112

 Состоялось в посаде Климeнтов, 19 (31) декабря 1879-го года.  Явился лично Мошка Трефлер, 38 лет, живущий в посаде Климентов в присутствии свидетелей Мошки Хатера, религиозного учителя, 62 лет и Пинхаса Тишинера, 45 лет, оба жители посада Климентов и предявили нам младенца мужского пола, объявляя, что он родился в посаде Климентов 13 (24) декабря  сего года в 5 часов вечера от законной жены Идесы, урожденной Карась,33 лет.  Младенцу сему при обрезании дано имя Шмуль.  Акт сей окончен и подписан, кроме предъявителя, объявляющего себя безграмотным.

 Свидетели:

Мошка Хатер

Пинхас Тишинер

Чиновник гражданского состояния   Подпись

 

Translated into English:

 

# 112

 

 It took place in Posad Klimentov on December 19 (31), 1879. Moshka Trefler, 38 years old, who lives in the Klimentov settlement in the presence of witnesses Moshka Hater, a religious teacher, 62 years old, and Pinchas Tishiner, 45 years old, both residents of the Klimentov settlement, appeared personally and presented us with a male baby, announcing that he was born in the Klimentov settlement 13 (24) December this year at 5 p.m. from the legal wife of Idesa, nee Karas, 33 years old. When circumcised, this child was given the name Shmul. This act is completed and signed, except for the bearer, who declares himself illiterate.

 

 

 Witnesses:

 

Moshka Hater

 

Pinchas Tishiner

 

Civil Status Official Signature

Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Boynton Beach, FL
4401 - 4420 of 656641