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Re: Lithuania SIG Vilnius household registers - 5,000 lines of new data available #lithuania

Russ Maurer
 

I am responding publicly as Amir's questions are of general interest.

Question 2 is simpler, so I'll do that first. To find the batch for a particular record, note the address (street and number). We have posted an alphabetical list of completed addresses with the corresponding batch number. It can be accessed from the VHR home page (https://tinyurl.com/vhr-home), link is towards the bottom of the page. This list will be updated when each new batch is released. For your convenience, I am attaching the current list to this message.

For the first question, I am always happy to assist with understanding household register data. Please email me at vhrproject@.... As general advice, if one is trying to determine if people with the same (or similar) common name are related, it is a good idea to look at every possible source, not just the household registers. For Vilnius in the interwar period, there are passport applications, marriage and death records, and a birth index (the full birth records are still under privacy protection). All but the birth index are already in the ALD.

If you make a qualifying contribution to the VHR project, you can obtain a batch of your choosing in the form of a spreadsheet. You may then be able to discover further information such as the names of other people in the same apartment as your relatives, which can also help in your research. If you are not already familiar with the (free) batch previews document, definitely look at that to find which batches include your surnames (including batches not yet added to the ALD). This link will immediately download the previews document to your computer: https://tinyurl.com/vhr-previews.

Russ Maurer
VHR project coordinator

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Completed Addresses.pdf
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previews-all.xls

Re: Research based on address - Kolomyja, Lviv, Zolkiew #galicia

Steven Turner
 

Are you a member of Gesher Galicia? You should check the cadastral maps there of Kolomya and there you can view where a particular house number is compared to a city map. Any questions write info@....

Good luck,
Steven Turner
Re: Need translation for "Gothic" German #translation #poland #warsaw

Reuven Mohr
 

are you sure both letters are written by the same author?
88359 is regular German script. 
88358 is probably what you call 'Gothic' (a term used for special old fashioned print letters).
usually older people would write in older style. If it is the same author, it is weird.

Reuven Mohr
Death records and burial place in Switzerland (maybe Lugano) and France (maybe Paris) 1940~ #france

דוד לחמי
 

I'm looking for death records and\or burial place of two siblings - Moshe and Lea Ginzburg (or Ginsburg).
They were born in Königsberg Germany (now Kaliningrad Russia) in 1913 and 1919 (respectively) and immigrated to Palestine in the 1930~
Moshe went out to fight the Civil War in Spain and there became ill with tuberculosis. He went on to recover in France (probably in Paris) but died there of the disease. Not sure when, I guess around 1937-1940.
Lea became ill with tuberculosis in Palestine and went to a hospital in Lugano Switzerland, where she died in 1940-41.

David Lahmi
Israel
Re: Salzburg DP camps #austria-czech #holocaust #records

Bernard Flam
 

Hi Israel,
I reply from Paris.
Numerous posts have given the best answer when searching Displaced Persons : you must fill a inquiry on Arolsen web site :
https://arolsen-archives.org/en/search-explore/inquiries/submit-inquiry/
They reply always, but delay could be 2 or 3 months.
Khavershaft
Bernard Flam
Archives & history of Medem Center -Arbeter Ring (French Bund - Workmen Circle)
Kolomyja house numbers to address #galicia

Daniella Alyagon
 

Is there a list of conversions from house numbers to address for Kolomyja?

attached is a link to an example from Lviv https://www.sbc.org.pl/dlibra/publication/edition/13343?id=13343

thank you,

Daniella Alyagon

11 Rav Ashi St, Tel Aviv 6939545, Israel

alyagon.genealogy@...

 

Researching: ALYAGON (Israel), SHOCHETMAN (Kishinev / Letychev / Derazhnya), AGINSKY (Kishinev / Minsk), FAJNZYLBER (Siennica, Poland / Warsaw, Poland), JELEN (Minsk Mazowiecki, Poland), KIEJZMAN (Garwolin, Poland),  SLIWKA (Garwolin, Poland), MANDELBAUM (Janowiec, Poland / Zwolen, Poland / Kozienice, Poland), CUKIER (Janowiec, Poland), RECHTANT (Kozienice, Poland), FALENBOGEN (Lublin, Poland), ROTENSTREICH (Galicia), SELINGER (Galicia), BITTER (Galicia / Bukowina), HISLER (Galicia / Bukowina ), EIFERMAN (Galicia / Bukowina), FROSTIG (Zolkiew, Galicia / Lviv, Galicia), GRANZBAUER (Zolkiew, Galicia), HERMAN (Zolkiew, Galicia), MESSER (Lviv, Galicia / Vienna, Austria), PROJEKT (Lviv, Galicia), STIERER (Lviv, Galicia), ALTMAN (Lviv, Galicia), FRIEDELS (Lviv, Galicia)
Research based on address - Kolomyja, Lviv, Zolkiew #galicia

Daniella Alyagon
 

I have a list of addresses in Kolomjya \ Lviv \ Zolkiew used by my family.

I am wondering what possible records I can search based on the address in addition to Tabula records and where are these records located. I am starting to plan a research trip to the Lviv area.

Thank you

 

Daniella Alyagon

11 Rav Ashi St, Tel Aviv 6939545, Israel

alyagon.genealogy@...

 

Researching: ALYAGON (Israel), SHOCHETMAN (Kishinev / Letychev / Derazhnya), AGINSKY (Kishinev / Minsk), FAJNZYLBER (Siennica, Poland / Warsaw, Poland), JELEN (Minsk Mazowiecki, Poland), KIEJZMAN (Garwolin, Poland),  SLIWKA (Garwolin, Poland), MANDELBAUM (Janowiec, Poland / Zwolen, Poland / Kozienice, Poland), CUKIER (Janowiec, Poland), RECHTANT (Kozienice, Poland), FALENBOGEN (Lublin, Poland), ROTENSTREICH (Galicia), SELINGER (Galicia), BITTER (Galicia / Bukowina), HISLER (Galicia / Bukowina ), EIFERMAN (Galicia / Bukowina), FROSTIG (Zolkiew, Galicia / Lviv, Galicia), GRANZBAUER (Zolkiew, Galicia), HERMAN (Zolkiew, Galicia), MESSER (Lviv, Galicia / Vienna, Austria), PROJEKT (Lviv, Galicia), STIERER (Lviv, Galicia), ALTMAN (Lviv, Galicia), FRIEDELS (Lviv, Galicia)

 
Holocaust Survivor Sues Oklahoma University to Retain Stolen Nazi Artwork in France #france #usa #holocaust

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

Bergère rentrant des moutons (Shepherdess Bringing in Sheep)”

by French impressionist Camille Pissarro

 

Léone Meyer is suing Oklahoma University (OU) for the painting “Bergère rentrant des moutons (Shepherdess Bringing in Sheep)” by French impressionist Camille Pissarro. Before World War II, Meyer’s family owned the painting. The only survivor of her family due to the Holocaust, had a summons issued to OU wanting to revisit a 2016 settlement in OU and the Musée d'Orsay in Paris agreed to display the art on a rotating basis.  Meyer has expressed concern for the potential damage that could befall the piece during travel between Europe and the U.S.

 

Meyer’s adoptive family was previously in possession of a 19th-century painting, "La Bergere rentrant des moutons," which was removed from France during the war and was eventually possessed by the Weitzenhoffer family, according to the summons documents.

 

Meyers’ adoptive father attempted to reclaim the painting after discovering it had been moved to Switzerland in 1951, but a 1953 decision by a Swiss judge dismissed her father’s attempt to recover the art due to the “five-year statute of limitations” which had elapsed, according to the summons documents. The painting was next spotted in the U.S. in 1956, where it came into the possession of the Weitzenhoffer family and was later donated to OU in 2000.

 

According to the summons documents, Meyers’ legal representatives said OU had not “(carried) out any provenance research” on the painting, which had previously been listed in the Register of Looted Goods.

 

The Washington Conference Principles on Nazi-Confiscated Art of 1998 states “If the pre-War owners of art that is found to have been confiscated by the Nazis and not subsequently restituted, or their heirs, can be identified, steps should be taken expeditiously to achieve a just and fair solution,” though it does not necessitate outright return of the piece.

 

in 2016, the U.S. Congress passed the Holocaust Expropriated Art Recovery Act, which seeks to “ensure that claims to artwork and other property stolen or misappropriated by the Nazis are not unfairly barred by statutes of limitations but are resolved in a just and fair manner.”

 

OU legal representatives argued under the principle of res judicata and collateral estoppel, as well as “international law,” the university was the rightful owner of the painting, according to the 2016 summons documents. The university also argued Meyer “failed to make a claim for breach of contract” and the action was “time-barred under the two-year statute of limitations” in Oklahoma, according to the 2016 summons documents.

 

A hearing in Paris District Court is scheduled for December 8.

 

To read more see: https://tinyurl.com/y2wmsljs

 

Jan Meisels Allen 

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 
Re: Jocelyne Dumay from Paris #hungary #france

Family and DNA
 

As David knows, in France/French, "Jocelyn" will be a man, & "Jocelyne" will be a woman, so this cannot be the correct person unfortunately.

Without knowing a husband's (last) name, it might be hard to find her, but there are not too many male Dumays in Paris in the "pages blanches" (https://www.pagesjaunes.fr/pagesblanches). There's a 2004 post on Filae from Jocelyne asking about the Munz name, but it shows a last log-in in 2006. Google has just 1 person with that name often mentioned, a farmer not in Paris but worth a look. Since this is a living person I won't add more details here.

Good luck!

Juliana Berland
Rennes, France

On 11/6/2020 00:52, David Choukroun wrote:
Dear Georges,

can it be her : Jocelyn Dumay (1968-1993)



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Regards,
David CHOUKROUN

david.choukroun@...
FRANCE

CHOUKROUN ATTALI ATLANI

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Juliana Berland (France)

/// Russia/Ukraine: BENIN / BERLAND Czernigow; Romny, Poltava > (Paris>) Chicago AMBURG / BERKOWITZ / EPSTEIN Odessa, Kherson, Poltava > (Paris >) Buffalo NY; Chicago GELBURD / GAYLBURD / GOLDBERG / GILBERT Vinnitsya; Nemyriv; Priluki Staraya; Podolia gub. > Philadelphia; Atlantic City; Milwaukee /// Galicia/Poland/Ukraine: BADER Felsztyn (Skelivka) > Philadelphia BADIAN Komarno? FELDMA(N)N Wolanka / Boryslaw > Philadelphia FREIDENHEIM Stryj, Drohobycz, etc. GERTLER Komarno, Wolanka, Stryj, Drohobycz, etc. WEINER/WIENER ? /// Germany: ADELSDORFER  ? BÄR / BAER Buttenhausen > mid-W US, esp. near Vandenburgh Co, IN. EPSTEI(N)N Röhrenfurth/Melsungen, Sachsenhausen, Guxhagen > Luxembourg; Amsterdam; MW US, esp. near Vandenburgh Co, IN HAUSSMAN Heidenheim? ISAAK Fellheim? MEYER Hannover > Aurora, IN. MOSES Gotte(rs?n?)heim, Sachsenhausen, Röhrenfurth. ROSENSTEIN Stuttgart; Elberfeld? > Philadelphia, Lancaster, PA.

 
Re: Jocelyne Dumay from Paris #hungary #france

David Choukroun
 

Dear Georges,

can it be her : Jocelyn Dumay (1968-1993)



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Regards,
David CHOUKROUN

david.choukroun@...
FRANCE

CHOUKROUN ATTALI ATLANI

Re: SSDI opinions #general

Diane Jacobs
 

Census records were also used to describe a person's age for social security

Diane Jacobs 



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From: "Friedman, H George" <friedman@...>
Date: 11/5/20 5:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] SSDI opinions #general

My mother worked as a legal secretary for a lawyer in a small town in Louisiana for a couple of years, right out of high school. This would have been in the mid-1930s. In later years, she recalled the legal problems of people who had no birth registration, which was not unusual among older people in that state signing up for social security. She remembered calling on a few residents of the town who "knew everybody" and having them sign affidavits that so-and-so was born in such-and-such a year. That date would then find its way into Social Security records. Of course, if it was off a bit....

George Friedman
Champaign, IL
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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey
Re: Lithuania SIG Vilnius household registers - 5,000 lines of new data available #lithuania

Amir Gur
 

Thanks sounds good.

Qs:

1.  What's a good process to figure out more on the data we already see on our family?  We got specific questions on the history of our family members.  Questions on some data we're already seeing, if there are ways to clarify it.  And also we got some members we can't find at all. 
Is there a specific person you recommend to ask?  Or place all details on a work-ticket, or just a message on this board?

Our family is mostly have been in Vilnius and small towns around it.  One common the Soly shtetl. 

Our family name in the listing shows most commonly on jewishgen is Gordonovich.  But few variations exist.  One is Gordonowicz which seems like the Polish version.  Other variations include Gordonovitch, Gordonovitz. 
Some variations went further, to an extent it's not clear if they are at all related.  They could be still related since after searching a bit, it seems name-variations are very common.  One such further example is: Gardenvitz

2.  Is there a way to tell which data came from which Batch into the ALD?

Thanks,
Amir Gur (Gordonowicz)
Re: Rothenberg family tree #general

Dan Rottenberg
 

I have long theorized that anyone with any variation of the name Rothenberg is likely descended from the 13th Century German Rabbi Meir of Rothenburg (1215-1293) or one of his disciples. See my letter to Avotaynu (Spring 2004), or contact me privately and I'll send a digital copy to anyone who's interested..
Dan Rottenberg
Philadelphia PA 
dan@...
Re: SSDI opinions #general

Friedman, H George
 

My mother worked as a legal secretary for a lawyer in a small town in Louisiana for a couple of years, right out of high school. This would have been in the mid-1930s. In later years, she recalled the legal problems of people who had no birth registration, which was not unusual among older people in that state signing up for social security. She remembered calling on a few residents of the town who "knew everybody" and having them sign affidavits that so-and-so was born in such-and-such a year. That date would then find its way into Social Security records. Of course, if it was off a bit....

George Friedman
Champaign, IL
Re: SSDI opinions #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

"sometimes made themselves a year or two older. Presumably so that they could start collecting benefits sooner"

This is why the SSA used the actual birth record, and if that weren't available, the first census showing the person or some other record.

My mother, for example, had a birth record, but there was a fire in Buffalo City Hall at some point, and mother had to send the one she had for a Teacher's Certificate. So the SSA used the first census where she appeared. For immigrants, they might have used naturalization documents or passenger list information - the older the better for records, but they never took anyone's word for it.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
Re: SSDI opinions #general

m_tobiasiewicz@...
 

The SSDI is a reliable source. When people registered for social security, they had to present documentation of birth.
There is also the social security 
As far as comparing ages on the SSDI and the WW1 draft registration, I wouldn't get too hung up on it. No documentation of birth was required to enlist. Boys said they were older because they wanted to go fight. Older men often put down a date that showed they were younger because they wanted to defend freedom, their new country, etc. 

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Maryellen Tobiasiewicz
family from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
Gorlice powiat Poland
Lviv Oblast Ukraine
Re: SSDI opinions #general

jbonline1111@...
 

When I have used the SSDI to check death dates, I have found them to match other sources I had, such as family memory and/or death certificates.  It may not be a reliable source for age for the reasons that Peter Cohen mentioned. I have at least three ages for my paternal grandfather, for example, not including the SSDI, which did not exist when he died in 1917.  I had to go with the preponderance of the evidence, giving some weight to the death certificate, presuming the information was given my grandmother.  
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC
Translation Request - Hungarian #hungary #translation

Aaron Slotnik
 

Hello,

I would like as complete a translation as possible of the death record for Ignacz BLUM found on the FamilySearch site at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X969-8VV?i=166&cc=1452460 .

I particularly need to understand the information about his parents--what it says about Szilagy-Cseh for his father and about Gebe for his mother.

Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide!

Kind Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL
Re: SSDI opinions #general

Peter Cohen
 

One thing I have noticed about the Social Security Death Index...The people who got themselves into the Social Security system in the early days sometimes made themselves a year or two older. Presumably so that they could start collecting benefits sooner.  You will see the same month and day as a draft registration, but if not matching, they would be a year or two older.  Also, there is something strange about World War I draft registrations. In a large number of cases, the registration card makes the person one year younger than all other documents.  I am not sure what the goal of that was. It did not seem to be related to whether the person was old enough to serve. It almost seemed like the draft board itself was behind it.  I see this more in non-Jewish areas (perhaps because so many Jews in New York City that had to fill out that card didn't actually know when they were born anyway.)
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Peter Cohen
California
More: Findmypast Free Access All Military Records November 5-12 #records #unitedkingdom #usa #announcements #canada

Jan Meisels Allen
 

I should have also given you the links for the other countries where there is free access to Findmypast military records. My apologies:

 

United Kingdom:  https://www.findmypast.co.uk/page/free-access

 

Australia: https://www.findmypast.com.au/page/free-access

 

Ireland:  https://www.findmypast.ie/page/free-access

 

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 

 

 

 

 

Findmypast is offering free access to all of their military records November 5-12, 2020.  Go to: https://www.findmypast.com/page/free-access . They have over 60 million military and conflict records from national

and international conflicts dating from 1760 to the 20th century. Their records cover the United States, Canada, Ireland, United Kingdom and Australia and New Zealand. Please click on which geographical area you

are searching on the aforementioned link to learn more about their records for those countries.

 

Note: many of the records are transcriptions and not the actual record. The record source is given.

 

You do need to register with name and email address- no credit card information is required.

 

I have no affiliation with Findmypast and am posting this solely for the information of the reader.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 
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