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Re: SSDI opinions #general

Sarah L Meyer
 

I consider it a reliable primary source for Deaths and secondary for births.  If there is nothing else (no census records, no birth records etc) I will take it.  I also consider the month and day more reliable than the year.
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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Gesher Galicia Zoom Membership Meeting Today #announcements #galicia #events

Steven Turner
 

Dear Friends,
 
If you haven't signed up yet it's not too late. Sign up here:
 
The meeting is at 12-1 p.m. EST US/Canada (9-10 a.m. PST US/Canada; 5-6 p.m. GMT, UK; 6-7 p.m. CET; 7-8 p.m. Israel; 4-5 a.m. next day NSW/Victoria, Australia).
 
We look forward to seeing you there.
 
Sincerely,
Dr. Steven S. Turner
President, Gesher Galicia


Re: Help with tracing marriages of Great and Great great grandparents #romania #russia

luc.radu@...
 

Joe,

The is no Grunberg - whatever spelling variation - in Stefanesti 1865 to 1900.  The first child recorded for Herscu and Ghitla was born in 1878. Judging from the age of wife, a marriage may  have taken place NOT before 1870. Such civil marriage was not recorded. On the marriage of the prior generation, judging from ages of Herscu and Ghitla, it took place BEFORE civil records started in Romanian Moldova, thus unknowable.

Luc Radu
Great Neck, NY


Re: 1930 census - invented people #general #records #usa

Moishe Miller
 

Hello,

The 1925 does show David's 3 oldest children only; Sylvia, Edith &
Phillip. The 1940 census (under "Herstkowitz" at Ancestry) shows Edith &
Phillip, still listing David as a printer (like the 1930 census) and
still at the 685 East 52nd Street Brooklyn address.

(BTW, did you see David's Michigan marriage record, under "David Hush
Rowitz"?)

I think it is possible to determine if Samuel, Harry & David (Jr?) were
David & Rebecca's children, by requesting the detail behind more
records.

For instance, there is a birth record for a
David Hershkowitz, dob: 14 Feb 1929 in Brooklyn, NY, with Certificate
Number: 7195
Samuel Hershkowitz, dob: 19 Nov 1928, in Brooklyn, NY, with Certificate
Number: 46042


I checked ItalianGen, which lists death records for two of the three
possible children
Hershkowitz Stanley 6 y Mar 28 1933 7254 Kings (BUT, the FamilySearch
detail disproves this:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WKF-JJ3)
Hershkowitz Harold 5 y Feb 19 1930 4398 Kings (BUT, the FamilySearch
detail disproves this:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WRD-MR9)

I tried Ancestry's New York, New York, Birth Index, 1910-1965 at:
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61457/
for
Hershkowitz
1927 +/1 2 years
New York
There are 118 results
Changing it to just Brooklyn, there are the same results, but the first
41 are Brooklyn. Not sure why the results were returned like this, so,
back to the NY list of 118.

You can try playing with different combinations and wild cards to see if
you can narrow it down. It is possible they went to the Catskills in the
summertime, and those 3 children were not born in NYC.

Another possible explanation is that these were his nephews. In most of
the census records, his wife's siblings appear. Perhaps these are the
children of one of the Borofsky family.

Good luck,

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@...
JGFF # 3391
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Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@...
JGFF #3391


Re: Searching for marriage of my grandparents, Max and Anna Slonimsky, c. 1905 #records

jbonline1111@...
 

Thank you SO much to the several people who took the time to research for me and to make suggestions for further research.  I have a bit more information than before and more ideas on how to proceed.  I love JewishGen!
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Re: Rothenberg family tree #general

meirr@...
 

My grandfather was Rabbi Chaim Rojtenberg of Rovno (page 424 of the Rovno Yizkor Book: https://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/rovno/rov393.html#Page417)
My family tree includes:
Rabbi Chaim (b. around 1725) --> Isser (1757) --> Shmuel (1780) --> Moshe(1816) --> Smulik'l (1844) --> Chaim (my grandfather 1862-1927)
All from or around Rovno, Ukeraine
--
Meir Razy
meir.razy@...
Searching:
Kisfajn / Sfard / Rothenberg / Ruttenberg / Rojtenberg in Rovno,Volhynia
Ross in Dubno,Volhynia


Re: Keller family in Radomysl and Tarnow #poland #galicia

N. ARONSON
 

My wife's uncle was the late Rabbi Aaron Keller, the Chief Rabbi of Nahariya (his son-in-law Rabbi Meitless is the current rabbi there, and his son Rabbi Michael Keller lives in Naot - Jerusalem). He was born 28 April 1909.
His older brother Isaak and younger sister Perla (Peppy), married to Jozef van Rijk, lived in Amsterdam. Isaak was born 11 June 1901 in Radomysl and Peppy 23 Oct 1913 also in Radomsyl. As such I presume Uncle Aaron was too.
Their parents were Meir Keller and Golda Wein. The latter came from Radomsyl.
On Geni there are a few more siblings mentioned. Those with a dod on geni were killed in the Holocaust. Yechiel Mechel is not mentioned on their tree as far as I can see

Nachum Aronson
Manchester UK


Re: Seeking feedback re: conflicting surnames (GORDON, COHEN, SEBULSKY) and (JAFFE, SINGER, STRAUSE) #names

Michele Lock
 

Here's what I suggest, based on my research to tell apart persons from NYC with the same name, similar year of arrival, similar age, spouse's name - 

1. Get a copy of the image of the marriage and death records. These will have the address of residence for the persons of interest. These can be matched (or not) to addresses from census records, draft cards, naturalization papers, to tell people with the same name apart. 
How to get the images - There is a facebook group called New York City Genealogy. Every day, the admin named Melanie Curtis Egan starts a new post, for those who want the images of birth/death/marriage records in NYC, based on the FamilySearch page for each record. There are persons in that group who know how to get the images from their local Family History Center via wifi from the Center parking lots. The post from the admin lists what info they need from a requestor to do this.

2. For a death record, the image will show the cemetery where the person was buried; this should match what you know from gravestones or obituaries of the deceased.

3. As for your two situations above - 
A. What other evidence to you have from records that Mary Gordon and Jennie Gordon are sisters? Do their ages closely match what you have from census records, etc? 

B. Marriage and death records for Isaac Jaffe - is there evidence that these are the same Isaac Jaffe? Do their ages in the records match up? Do their addresses (obtained from the record images) match up? 

The challenge with NYC vital records is that so many early immigrants had relatively common Jewish surnames, and took/had first names from a limited pool: Ben, Morris, Isadore, Isaac, Abraham, Sam, Jacob, Irving, Charles, Joseph, etc, etc, etc. And for women - Sarah, Rose, Esther, Minnie, Fannie, Tillie, Bessie, Lina, Sylvia, Ada, Ida, Pearl, etc, etc, etc. All immigrating to NYC in the early 1900s, most in their 20s. How many of us have family trees filled with these first names, over and over again?

A case in point - I helped a friend look into his Citron family in NYC. An uncommon Jewish surname - and yet I found two Ben Citrons, both living in the Bronx, both similar ages. One married to a Fannie, another to a Tillie. Figured out who was who based on the image of a death record and ages of first born child. And then I found two couples named Sam and Lena Citron, with both women born the same year! Took a naturalization paper to figure out who was who, plus comparing addresses from census records and draft cards, as well as occupations of the men.

So, to tease things out, get more records on the individuals you are trying to trace, and go from there.
--
Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon in Zagare/Joniskis, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Minsk gub., Belarus


Nadworna house mapping project #galicia

Max Heffler
 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Daniella Alyagon via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 11:06 AM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] New Korolowka house mapping project #galicia

 

Is there a link to the Nadworna project?


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Max Heffler
Houston, TX
max@...
HEFFLER(Ukraine)/TIRAS(Poland)/WASSEMAN(Lithuania)/MOORE(Poland)/ZLOT(Lithuania)
GORENSTEIN(Ukraine)/FLEISCHMAN(Latvia)/GOLDEN(Lithuania)


Re: Rothenberg family tree #general

Hank Lobbenberg
 

My Rothenberg families are from Mackensen and Arholzen Germany.
You can find them on my public Lobbenberg  Ancestry tree.
Henry Lobbenberg
Toronto


Re: Fraenkels from Letichev #ukraine

Gary Pokrassa
 

Peter - we have just completed processing metric records from Leytichev from 1841-1852 and I do see one birth and one death record for Frenkel included - please be patient and these records should be online very shortly - they are in the queue.   Further there is one entry from a revision list as follows:

Ukraine Revision Lists

 

Searching for Surname (phonetically like) : FRAENKEL AND
Town (phonetically like) : LEYTICHEV
1 matching record found.
Run on Sat, 07 Nov 2020 09:36:59 -0700

Town
Uyezd
Gubernia
Surname GivenName Father Relationship Sex
Age Last Revision
Age This Revision
Year Left
Reason
Comments Day
Month
Year
Page
Reg.#
Former Reg.#
Publication Type
Archive / Fond
Microfilm
Image
Letichev
Letichev
Podolia
FRINKEL Usher Shimshon Head M
6
-
-
Died
- 2
Apr
1875
31
107
111
Revision list for permanent residents
GAKhmO /226/80/1177
not microfilmed
--
 
Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division


Re: Ukrainian State Archives digitization project - Kiev city Jewish births, marriages & deaths #russia #ukraine

Gary Pokrassa
 

Chuck Weinstein put me in touch with Ted a few days ago - I want to thank Ted for his research and finding this information - we have been in contact discussing these - and yes while they duplicate many of the files already posted by Alex K they do fill in several gaps not scanned by Alex - and as Ted points out they are B&W scans of lesser quality than Alex's and also what they have posted are single page images - so the UKR Research Division of JG will definitely process these into our files but we need to figure out a more efficient way to handle these single page files.   Again kudos to Ted for this very valuable information.

It would definitely appear that at least some of the UKR archives are beginning to thaw out in their frosty attitude toward posting online scans of their records.  
--
 
Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division


Re: SSDI opinions #general

 

I frequently see the SSDI is off by one year. I have birth records to back up that assertion.
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Jeff Goldner
Researching Goldner, Singer, Neuman, Braun, Schwartz, Gluck, Reichfeld (Hungary/Slovakia); Adler, Roth, Ader (Galicia); Soltz/Shultz/Zuckerman/Zicherman (Vitebsk, maybe Lithuania)


Re: Seeking feedback re: conflicting surnames (GORDON, COHEN, SEBULSKY) and (JAFFE, SINGER, STRAUSE) #names

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 11:17 PM, Tracy Fish wrote:
1. According to the NY Index to Death Certificate Mary's death certificate lists her mother's name as Esther GORDON
2. According to NY Marriage Records for Mary GORDON and spouse Issac (Israil) JAFFE in 1893, Mary's mother is listed as Hester COHEN
3. According to NY Marriage Records for Jennie GORDON and spouse Philip FLEISCHER in 1898, Jennie's mother is listed as Hester SEBULSKY.
I have seen this pattern multiple times, my 2GGM is an example where I have sorted this out, other cases not so much. So let me suggest some options: For this first group, on the Death Certificate (1), the person reporting the names did not know Esther/Hester's maiden name and used her married name. On Marriage Record #2, Mary's mother's name is likely her maiden name (COHEN). For Marriage Record #2, Hester either remarried to Mr SEBULSKY after Mr COHEN died, or SEBULSKY was Hester's mother's maiden name. (COHEN could also be a reference to ha Kohain and later used as a surname - which also occurs in my family.)

For group 2, that's a mystery. Very different first names. Perhaps Bloome STRAUSE died and Isaac's father remarried, or more likely, the person reporting did not know the correct information.
 
--
Jeff Goldner
Researching Goldner, Singer, Neuman, Braun, Schwartz, Gluck, Reichfeld (Hungary/Slovakia); Adler, Roth, Ader (Galicia); Soltz/Shultz/Zuckerman/Zicherman (Vitebsk, maybe Lithuania)


Re: Rothenberg family tree #general

Joan Pollak <JFPollak@...>
 

My gggrandmother was Leah Rottenberg/Rottenberg born 1838 Rychvald, Hungary. Father Moshe Rottenberg , Rabbi, born 1819 Rychvald. 

I would appreciate a copy of the family tree!
Thank you!
Joan Pollak


Re: Research based on address - Kolomyja, Lviv, Zolkiew #galicia

Steven Turner
 

City landscapes change over time. It can be difficult comparing a Cadastral Map with a modern city map. The best way to do that is to get somebody who is familiar with the town today to look at the Cadastral Map and point out where the house number you have for your record falls out today.

To find all records associated with a house number you can search by house number on the All Galicia Database of Gesher Galicia.

Hope this helps.

Steve


The Lithuanian Jewish Community of Telsiai #lithuania

Carol Hoffman
 

LitvakSIG online journal is proud to announce the wonderful article, The Lithuanian Community of Telsiai, by Phil S. Shapiro. This article
is an in depth study, both human and academic, of Telsiai and it's Jewish community that once was.

To quote the author, "Telšiai Jewish community was typical of similar communities in provincial Lithuania but it also fostered the Telshe
Yeshiva, which developed a model of progressive Jewish education which is followed by Jewish communities worldwide today." He concludes with,
"The year 1941 will similarly be remembered forever as the year that Jewish life in Lithuania ceased to exist. That civilization lives on, however, in the beliefs, practices, and memory of the hundreds of thousands of descendants of Litvaks who now live around the world."

Carol Hoffman
Tel Aviv


Name adoption #germany

info@...
 

Dear group,
during the last months I was able to update my website with a few more name adoption lists.
Beside of others you now can find Worms with more than 500 entires under
www.a-h-b.de/en/projects/genealogy/name-adoption-lists/worms
More list can be found under
nal.a-h-b.de
Thanks to all who sent lists to be added.
Best
Wolfgang Fritzsche, prof. genealogist, Germany, Main-Wiesbaden area


Re: Searching for marriage of my grandparents, Max and Anna Slonimsky, c. 1905 #records

Tracy Fish
 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 01:59 PM, <jbonline1111@...> wrote:
Passin
Not sure if you've already done this, but I've seen that surname also spelt Pessin/Pesin/Peskin. Maybe an alternative spelling might help?

Goodluck! PS: I use to live in Conway also!
 
--
Tracy Fish
Nevada/Brooklyn, New York
tsfishphotography@...
IG: @tsfish

Researching many surnames including: Belarus: DORINSON/DOROSINSKY, LEIBOWITZ/LEVOVICH, LEVIN; Hungary: FRIEDMAN, HERTZ, KLEIN, WEIS; Poland: CHELMINSKI, FRAJSTMAN/TRAJSTMAN, KIERZENBLAT, LAKOMSKA, LANGMAN, LESZCZYNSKI, LEWKOWICZ, MARKOWSKI/MARKS, POTOLOWSKA, SKOVRONSKY/SKOWRONSKI, WYGODA/WEGODA; Russia: GORDON, JAFFE, KAPLAN, PAKORNOV, SEBULSKY; Kronstadt/Saint Petersburg, Russia: COHEN, FELDMAN, FISH/FISCH, GRUNER, TSCHESNO, SLAVIN


Seeking feedback re: conflicting surnames (GORDON, COHEN, SEBULSKY) and (JAFFE, SINGER, STRAUSE) #names

Tracy Fish
 

Hi all,

I am returning back to researching one of my family branches. I had hit a wall a couple of years ago because there were significantly different maiden names for two of my 3XGG.

I will start with the first conflicting name group: GORDON/COHEN/SEBULSKY
My 3XGG Esther (or Hester) to my knowledge did not immigrate to the U.S. Her husband Aaron GORDON (1835-1920) and their 3 daughters Mary/Miriam (1873-1940) who was my 2XGG, Jennie (1878-1950) and Esther (1889-1969) did at various times. There are 3 men that I am currently speculating are brothers but I have not confirmed. 

The issue I have run into is that there are different maiden names/names listed for Esther on different records:
1. According to the NY Index to Death Certificate Mary's death certificate lists her mother's name as Esther GORDON
2. According to NY Marriage Records for Mary GORDON and spouse Issac (Israil) JAFFE in 1893, Mary's mother is listed as Hester COHEN
3. According to NY Marriage Records for Jennie GORDON and spouse Philip FLEISCHER in 1898, Jennie's mother is listed as Hester SEBULSKY.

COHEN and SEBULSKY are obviously very different surnames. 


The second conflicting name group JAFFE, SINGER, STRAUSE:
My other 3xGG also has conflicting names on records: Bloome STRAUSE and Rivka SINGER. The same Mary GORDON mentioned above married Issac (Israil) JAFFE in 1893.
1. According to NY Marriage Records for Mary GORDON and spouse Issac (Israil) JAFFE in 1893, Issac's mother's name is listed as Bloome STRAUSE.
2. According to NY municipal death record for Issac (Israil) JAFFE in 1907, Issac's mother's name is listed as Rivka SINGER.

Again, this is another scenario with two very different names.

Any suggestions how to determine which would have been the correct names? In both instances, they are just vastly different. I'm really not sure how to best proceed and would appreciate any advice. I understand depending on who was reporting the information things could have been mixed-up. All of these records for these family branches only list Russia as location, so I also do not know specifically where they originate.

Thank you in advance,

--
Tracy Fish
Nevada/Brooklyn, New York
tsfishphotography@...
IG: @tsfish

Researching many surnames including: Belarus: DORINSON/DOROSINSKY, LEIBOWITZ/LEVOVICH, LEVIN; Hungary: FRIEDMAN, HERTZ, KLEIN, WEIS; Poland: CHELMINSKI, FRAJSTMAN/TRAJSTMAN, KIERZENBLAT, LAKOMSKA, LANGMAN, LESZCZYNSKI, LEWKOWICZ, MARKOWSKI/MARKS, POTOLOWSKA, SKOVRONSKY/SKOWRONSKI, WYGODA/WEGODA; Russia: GORDON, JAFFE, KAPLAN, PAKORNOV, SEBULSKY; Kronstadt/Saint Petersburg, Russia: COHEN, FELDMAN, FISH/FISCH, GRUNER, TSCHESNO, SLAVIN

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