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Re: Keller family in Rus, Belarus #usa #belarus

Moishe Miller
 

Hello,
My own KELLER research is for:
Feivel Kaler / Keller (Jan 15, 1890 - Jun 17, 1961), who lived in
Providence, RI.
He was the son of Hersh Kaler of Ros, Belarus,
the son of Shmuel Kaler.

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@...
JGFF# 3391
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Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@...
JGFF #3391


Hancz/Hantz #usa

Cheryl
 

I am trying to find family and keep hitting roadblocks. My GG came to the US in 1901 and his wife came in 1904. His name was Bennie Hantz and his wife was Rose. I was always told that Rose's maiden name was Moscowitz. They settled in the Bronx, NY. His naturalization papers state that they were married at Barak Silvas Hungary. It says my Great Grandpa was born in Bochava Hungary which then became Czechoslovakia. I believe these cities are spelled incorrectly because I do not find them at all during my research.
I did find a Hungarian birth record for a baby named Markusz born June 7, 1897 and the parents were Beni Hancz from Bacsava Chabanivka and the mother was Roza Markovics from Bereg-Szilvas Kuzmyno. I am wondering if this record could be my Great Grandparents. There were always stories that they had a child in Hungary and the child did not come to the US. I think this may be the child.
Any thoughts or comments? I would love to find more info on this side of my family.

Cheryl Hantz-Tanenbaum


Re: Ancestral Town in the Russian Empire? #russia #france

Richard Cooper
 

Dear Friends,
Many thanks for your wise and helpful answers to my question!
Taking them all together, I think the balance of probability is that my great-great-grandfather Ephraim MATELEVITCH (or MORDCHELEWICZ) was born in 1804 in Grodno Guberniya in the Russian Empire.
Thank you all very much!
Ric Cooper
Midhurst, UK


"The People of Ferramonti: Then and Now" #JewishGenUpdates

YBentham
 

Hello and greetings from England. I am collating stories from former internees of Ferramonti di Tarsia and/or their descendants. If you (or anyone you know) were an internee in Ferramonti di Tarsia camp, Calabria, Italy please contact me so I can explain the next steps. Essentially I hope to publish at least one volume of stories and photographs (black and white and colour) of former internees. I am sure from over 3,500 internees there must be many second and third generation family members with a story to tell of their relative. 
My father David Henryk ROPSCHITZ  (born in Galicia 1913) was a internee. His autobiographical novel was published earlier this year. Now it is time for others to tell their stories. Please contact me at
psychteach.yb@...
Thank you in advance. Looking forward to hearing from you!
Yolanda Ropschitz-Bentham


Tracing the descendants of Betzalel (Zalel) Stern of Barsan, Rumania. #usa #israel

Neil Rosenstein
 

Trying to make contact with the Israel and USA descendants of Zalel
Stern who survived the Holocaust. A daughter Elisheva Cimet lived in
Ramat Gan,another Ileana Roth lived in Flushing, NY and a brother
Shmuel Stern died in Tel Aviv in 1982 (father of Menachem Stern of
Ayer, MA).
Neil Rosenstein


Re: Seeking feedback re: conflicting surnames (GORDON, COHEN, SEBULSKY) and (JAFFE, SINGER, STRAUSE) #names

Tracy Fish
 

Hi Michele,
Thanks for your suggestions.

Re: your first question: What other evidence to you have from records that Mary Gordon and Jennie Gordon are sisters? Do their ages closely match what you have from census records, etc? 
I know for fact Mary Gordon and Jennie Gordon are sisters. Mary Jaffe nee. Gordon had 6 children and Jennie had 4 children. One of Mary's daughter's married one of Jennie's sons. My grandmother was very close to this family and I have photos of most of them. Unfortunately, the family dwindled and there aren't really any descendants left/people I can ask.

Re: your second question: Marriage and death records for Isaac Jaffe - is there evidence that these are the same Isaac Jaffe? Do their ages in the records match up? Do their addresses (obtained from the record images) match up?
Yes these records/ages/addresses all match up. Also in all instances for these records, the father's names are all consistent and match the names on the headstones. The addresses are also consistent with the census records, the jobs and the cemetery that's mentioned on the death certificate. Which growing up I would often visit the cemetery where many of them are buried.

Abridged summary of records:

Records I currently have for my 2XGG Israel/Issac JAFFE, son of Bloome STRAUSE/Rivka SINGER :
-Marriage certificate
-Death certificate
-Census Records
-Will and Probate
-Index to Petitions for Naturalization
-Israel Jaffe arrived in the U.S. ~1890 at ~13-15 years old. I haven't been able to find his passenger list record.

Records I have for my 2XGG Mary Jaffe nee. GORDON:
-Marriage Record
-Census Records
-Death/Death Index
-I have not been able to find her passenger list record

Records I have for my 3XGAunt Jennie Fleischer nee. GORDON
-Census Records
-Buried at Mt. Judah Cemetery *I have not seen her headstone and curious what her hebrew name is written as
-Marriage Index
-Death Index
-I have not been able to find her passenger list record

Records I have for my 3XG Aunt Esther Tucker nee. GORDON
-Census Records
-JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry
-She is mentioned on her husband Jacob TUCKER's State and Federal Naturalization Records. On his draft records it says he is from Ekaterinoslav. I have not been able to find their passenger list records, however I believe they were married prior to the U.S.

Mary, Jennie, and Esther's father Aaron GORDON immigrated to the U.S. His census records all say Widowed, so I believe Esther Cohen/Sebulsky did not come to the U.S. I also have Aaron's death certificate. He was never naturalized and I could not find his passenger list record.

I have all this in my tree on Ancestry. Wish I could just fill in the gaps to make sense of these conflicting names.

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Tracy Fish
tsfishphotography@...


Re: SSDI opinions #general

Sarah L Meyer
 

I consider it a reliable primary source for Deaths and secondary for births.  If there is nothing else (no census records, no birth records etc) I will take it.  I also consider the month and day more reliable than the year.
--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Gesher Galicia Zoom Membership Meeting Today #announcements #galicia #events

Steven Turner
 

Dear Friends,
 
If you haven't signed up yet it's not too late. Sign up here:
 
The meeting is at 12-1 p.m. EST US/Canada (9-10 a.m. PST US/Canada; 5-6 p.m. GMT, UK; 6-7 p.m. CET; 7-8 p.m. Israel; 4-5 a.m. next day NSW/Victoria, Australia).
 
We look forward to seeing you there.
 
Sincerely,
Dr. Steven S. Turner
President, Gesher Galicia


Re: Help with tracing marriages of Great and Great great grandparents #romania #russia

luc.radu@...
 

Joe,

The is no Grunberg - whatever spelling variation - in Stefanesti 1865 to 1900.  The first child recorded for Herscu and Ghitla was born in 1878. Judging from the age of wife, a marriage may  have taken place NOT before 1870. Such civil marriage was not recorded. On the marriage of the prior generation, judging from ages of Herscu and Ghitla, it took place BEFORE civil records started in Romanian Moldova, thus unknowable.

Luc Radu
Great Neck, NY


Re: 1930 census - invented people #general #records #usa

Moishe Miller
 

Hello,

The 1925 does show David's 3 oldest children only; Sylvia, Edith &
Phillip. The 1940 census (under "Herstkowitz" at Ancestry) shows Edith &
Phillip, still listing David as a printer (like the 1930 census) and
still at the 685 East 52nd Street Brooklyn address.

(BTW, did you see David's Michigan marriage record, under "David Hush
Rowitz"?)

I think it is possible to determine if Samuel, Harry & David (Jr?) were
David & Rebecca's children, by requesting the detail behind more
records.

For instance, there is a birth record for a
David Hershkowitz, dob: 14 Feb 1929 in Brooklyn, NY, with Certificate
Number: 7195
Samuel Hershkowitz, dob: 19 Nov 1928, in Brooklyn, NY, with Certificate
Number: 46042


I checked ItalianGen, which lists death records for two of the three
possible children
Hershkowitz Stanley 6 y Mar 28 1933 7254 Kings (BUT, the FamilySearch
detail disproves this:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WKF-JJ3)
Hershkowitz Harold 5 y Feb 19 1930 4398 Kings (BUT, the FamilySearch
detail disproves this:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WRD-MR9)

I tried Ancestry's New York, New York, Birth Index, 1910-1965 at:
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61457/
for
Hershkowitz
1927 +/1 2 years
New York
There are 118 results
Changing it to just Brooklyn, there are the same results, but the first
41 are Brooklyn. Not sure why the results were returned like this, so,
back to the NY list of 118.

You can try playing with different combinations and wild cards to see if
you can narrow it down. It is possible they went to the Catskills in the
summertime, and those 3 children were not born in NYC.

Another possible explanation is that these were his nephews. In most of
the census records, his wife's siblings appear. Perhaps these are the
children of one of the Borofsky family.

Good luck,

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@...
JGFF # 3391
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Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@...
JGFF #3391


Re: Searching for marriage of my grandparents, Max and Anna Slonimsky, c. 1905 #records

jbonline1111@...
 

Thank you SO much to the several people who took the time to research for me and to make suggestions for further research.  I have a bit more information than before and more ideas on how to proceed.  I love JewishGen!
--
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Re: Rothenberg family tree #general

meirr@...
 

My grandfather was Rabbi Chaim Rojtenberg of Rovno (page 424 of the Rovno Yizkor Book: https://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/rovno/rov393.html#Page417)
My family tree includes:
Rabbi Chaim (b. around 1725) --> Isser (1757) --> Shmuel (1780) --> Moshe(1816) --> Smulik'l (1844) --> Chaim (my grandfather 1862-1927)
All from or around Rovno, Ukeraine
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Meir Razy
meir.razy@...
Searching:
Kisfajn / Sfard / Rothenberg / Ruttenberg / Rojtenberg in Rovno,Volhynia
Ross in Dubno,Volhynia


Re: Keller family in Radomysl and Tarnow #poland #galicia

N. ARONSON
 

My wife's uncle was the late Rabbi Aaron Keller, the Chief Rabbi of Nahariya (his son-in-law Rabbi Meitless is the current rabbi there, and his son Rabbi Michael Keller lives in Naot - Jerusalem). He was born 28 April 1909.
His older brother Isaak and younger sister Perla (Peppy), married to Jozef van Rijk, lived in Amsterdam. Isaak was born 11 June 1901 in Radomysl and Peppy 23 Oct 1913 also in Radomsyl. As such I presume Uncle Aaron was too.
Their parents were Meir Keller and Golda Wein. The latter came from Radomsyl.
On Geni there are a few more siblings mentioned. Those with a dod on geni were killed in the Holocaust. Yechiel Mechel is not mentioned on their tree as far as I can see

Nachum Aronson
Manchester UK


Re: Seeking feedback re: conflicting surnames (GORDON, COHEN, SEBULSKY) and (JAFFE, SINGER, STRAUSE) #names

Michele Lock
 

Here's what I suggest, based on my research to tell apart persons from NYC with the same name, similar year of arrival, similar age, spouse's name - 

1. Get a copy of the image of the marriage and death records. These will have the address of residence for the persons of interest. These can be matched (or not) to addresses from census records, draft cards, naturalization papers, to tell people with the same name apart. 
How to get the images - There is a facebook group called New York City Genealogy. Every day, the admin named Melanie Curtis Egan starts a new post, for those who want the images of birth/death/marriage records in NYC, based on the FamilySearch page for each record. There are persons in that group who know how to get the images from their local Family History Center via wifi from the Center parking lots. The post from the admin lists what info they need from a requestor to do this.

2. For a death record, the image will show the cemetery where the person was buried; this should match what you know from gravestones or obituaries of the deceased.

3. As for your two situations above - 
A. What other evidence to you have from records that Mary Gordon and Jennie Gordon are sisters? Do their ages closely match what you have from census records, etc? 

B. Marriage and death records for Isaac Jaffe - is there evidence that these are the same Isaac Jaffe? Do their ages in the records match up? Do their addresses (obtained from the record images) match up? 

The challenge with NYC vital records is that so many early immigrants had relatively common Jewish surnames, and took/had first names from a limited pool: Ben, Morris, Isadore, Isaac, Abraham, Sam, Jacob, Irving, Charles, Joseph, etc, etc, etc. And for women - Sarah, Rose, Esther, Minnie, Fannie, Tillie, Bessie, Lina, Sylvia, Ada, Ida, Pearl, etc, etc, etc. All immigrating to NYC in the early 1900s, most in their 20s. How many of us have family trees filled with these first names, over and over again?

A case in point - I helped a friend look into his Citron family in NYC. An uncommon Jewish surname - and yet I found two Ben Citrons, both living in the Bronx, both similar ages. One married to a Fannie, another to a Tillie. Figured out who was who based on the image of a death record and ages of first born child. And then I found two couples named Sam and Lena Citron, with both women born the same year! Took a naturalization paper to figure out who was who, plus comparing addresses from census records and draft cards, as well as occupations of the men.

So, to tease things out, get more records on the individuals you are trying to trace, and go from there.
--
Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon in Zagare/Joniskis, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Minsk gub., Belarus


Nadworna house mapping project #galicia

Max Heffler
 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Daniella Alyagon via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 11:06 AM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] New Korolowka house mapping project #galicia

 

Is there a link to the Nadworna project?


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Max Heffler
Houston, TX
max@...
HEFFLER(Ukraine)/TIRAS(Poland)/WASSEMAN(Lithuania)/MOORE(Poland)/ZLOT(Lithuania)
GORENSTEIN(Ukraine)/FLEISCHMAN(Latvia)/GOLDEN(Lithuania)


Re: Rothenberg family tree #general

Hank Lobbenberg
 

My Rothenberg families are from Mackensen and Arholzen Germany.
You can find them on my public Lobbenberg  Ancestry tree.
Henry Lobbenberg
Toronto


Re: Fraenkels from Letichev #ukraine

Gary Pokrassa
 

Peter - we have just completed processing metric records from Leytichev from 1841-1852 and I do see one birth and one death record for Frenkel included - please be patient and these records should be online very shortly - they are in the queue.   Further there is one entry from a revision list as follows:

Ukraine Revision Lists

 

Searching for Surname (phonetically like) : FRAENKEL AND
Town (phonetically like) : LEYTICHEV
1 matching record found.
Run on Sat, 07 Nov 2020 09:36:59 -0700

Town
Uyezd
Gubernia
Surname GivenName Father Relationship Sex
Age Last Revision
Age This Revision
Year Left
Reason
Comments Day
Month
Year
Page
Reg.#
Former Reg.#
Publication Type
Archive / Fond
Microfilm
Image
Letichev
Letichev
Podolia
FRINKEL Usher Shimshon Head M
6
-
-
Died
- 2
Apr
1875
31
107
111
Revision list for permanent residents
GAKhmO /226/80/1177
not microfilmed
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Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division


Re: Ukrainian State Archives digitization project - Kiev city Jewish births, marriages & deaths #russia #ukraine

Gary Pokrassa
 

Chuck Weinstein put me in touch with Ted a few days ago - I want to thank Ted for his research and finding this information - we have been in contact discussing these - and yes while they duplicate many of the files already posted by Alex K they do fill in several gaps not scanned by Alex - and as Ted points out they are B&W scans of lesser quality than Alex's and also what they have posted are single page images - so the UKR Research Division of JG will definitely process these into our files but we need to figure out a more efficient way to handle these single page files.   Again kudos to Ted for this very valuable information.

It would definitely appear that at least some of the UKR archives are beginning to thaw out in their frosty attitude toward posting online scans of their records.  
--
 
Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division


Re: SSDI opinions #general

 

I frequently see the SSDI is off by one year. I have birth records to back up that assertion.
--
Jeff Goldner
Researching Goldner, Singer, Neuman, Braun, Schwartz, Gluck, Reichfeld (Hungary/Slovakia); Adler, Roth, Ader (Galicia); Soltz/Shultz/Zuckerman/Zicherman (Vitebsk, maybe Lithuania)


Re: Seeking feedback re: conflicting surnames (GORDON, COHEN, SEBULSKY) and (JAFFE, SINGER, STRAUSE) #names

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 11:17 PM, Tracy Fish wrote:
1. According to the NY Index to Death Certificate Mary's death certificate lists her mother's name as Esther GORDON
2. According to NY Marriage Records for Mary GORDON and spouse Issac (Israil) JAFFE in 1893, Mary's mother is listed as Hester COHEN
3. According to NY Marriage Records for Jennie GORDON and spouse Philip FLEISCHER in 1898, Jennie's mother is listed as Hester SEBULSKY.
I have seen this pattern multiple times, my 2GGM is an example where I have sorted this out, other cases not so much. So let me suggest some options: For this first group, on the Death Certificate (1), the person reporting the names did not know Esther/Hester's maiden name and used her married name. On Marriage Record #2, Mary's mother's name is likely her maiden name (COHEN). For Marriage Record #2, Hester either remarried to Mr SEBULSKY after Mr COHEN died, or SEBULSKY was Hester's mother's maiden name. (COHEN could also be a reference to ha Kohain and later used as a surname - which also occurs in my family.)

For group 2, that's a mystery. Very different first names. Perhaps Bloome STRAUSE died and Isaac's father remarried, or more likely, the person reporting did not know the correct information.
 
--
Jeff Goldner
Researching Goldner, Singer, Neuman, Braun, Schwartz, Gluck, Reichfeld (Hungary/Slovakia); Adler, Roth, Ader (Galicia); Soltz/Shultz/Zuckerman/Zicherman (Vitebsk, maybe Lithuania)

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