Re: Posthumous baptisms and privacy concerns #general


As I understand it, to some degree, there have been efforts to keep it from being publicly known.  That has actually become part of the problem, however.

As mentioned by the previous poster, the church has promised to stop performing posthumous baptisms.  From what I have been told, this promise has been made more than once.  And the result was that the practice was not stopped but was made private, or at least the attempt was made.  But somehow -- and how I do not know -- it was discovered that the practice was continuing, and then the uproar began again.  And the cycle has repeated multiple times.

On a practical level, we all should assume that the practice will continue whether we see it or not, because as I wrote in my earlier post, it is part of the LDS religion.  Church members are not going to stop performing posthumous baptisms, because they believe it is the only way for other people's souls to have the possibility of being saved.  Period.  It's going to keep happening.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you should also assume that every person who appears in FamilyTree or in any record on FamilySearch has had a posthumous baptism performed for him.  Again, there is nothing we an do to prevent this.

Since it is beyond our abilities to control the actions of others in this situation, we must look to control our own actions and reactions.  So I will repeat what I wrote earlier.

If you don't believe it, it doesn't matter.

I am not offended if someone wishes me merry Christmas, because that person is simply passing on his version of good wishes.  I am not offended to know that my ancestors and collateral relatives whom I find in records on FamilySearch have had posthumous baptisms performed, because the people who did so sincerely believe that it will be good for them, a different version of good wishes, if you will.  It changes nothing that happened in my family members' lives or anything about them.  I consider it to be ineffective, but not offensive.

And I agree with what Yale Zussman said in his message.  Whatever beliefs you have, and whichever version of God/the Almighty you believe in, if your beliefs are the correct ones, then "He understands that this practice cannot be held against the soul of any deceased person."

I claim no special knowledge of whether any particular religion has the "correct" beliefs, and I hope you understand I am not trying to argue whether Jews or LDS members might be the group that has it right.  I am not arrogant enough to believe I have such special insight that I managed to pick the right side.

Janice M. Sellers
Ancestral Discoveries
Gresham, Oregon

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 6:21 AM YaleZuss via <> wrote:
> Making posthumous baptisms public is the root of the problem.  Mormons should understand why non-Mormons consider this practice offensive and refrain from it, but if they feel religiously obligated to pursue it, I see no reason why they should insist on making it public: That offends for no credible reason. 
> I don't have a direct line to the Almighty, but I suspect He understands that this practice cannot be held against the soul of any deceased person.

Everything turns out all right in the end. If it's not all right, it's not the end.

Re: Births records for Memel (Klaipėda)from September 1874? #lithuania #records


Thanks! Now I have looked at ALD there are some hints that need confirming. I have a possible name for the father. 
Was there a census in 1885? My ancestor would have been 11 years old in 1885 so still living at home in Memel. If there are census records, I can find the names of other members of his family living at the same address and so confirm the name of the father.
Thanks again,

Kreplach recipes from specific regions #ukraine #general #russia


This might be a long shot...but does anyone have a Kreplach recipe that originated in the Starokonstantinov/Zaslav/Volhynia region? My great grandmother made amazing kreplach but all her recipes were in her head and when my grandma asked to have it written down she said it was too difficult and apparently that was the end of that!
My dad did recently say it had a lot of onions in the meat. Thinking that a kreplach recipe from that region might be similar to how she made it. Thanks!!

Courtney Manders

Re: Mark of the Mediterranean #sephardic

Schelly Talalay Dardashti

This is sometimes called the "Mongolian Spot" and fades rather quickly. It is often found in Mizrahim/Persians and among Sephardim. Lots of info on Google.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
New Mexico

Re: Identify military uniform and medals #photographs #general #germany


Hi Lorraine

Do you know the name, place of birth, date of birth and the place where he lived when WWI started?

1. There was not one German army in the WWI, there were the Prussian Army, the Bavarian Army, the Baden Army, the Württemberg Army.
The Stammrollen (Service Records) of the Prussian Army were destroyed during WWII (that's the biggest part of all soldiers in WWI).
The Stammrollen of the Bavarian Army are online on ancestry, the others are online on the Baden and Württemberg archives websites.

2. There is a great variety of reasons why someone received the Iron Cross (there was the Iron Cross 2. Class and 1. Class).

3. There are no Lists of WWI awardees, but you can see in the service records which awards someone received.

There are Lists of Losses (with soldiers who died, were wounded, were missed or POWs).

There are also other lists for POWs on the database of the Red Cross (ICRC in Geneva).


Corinne Iten

Re: Yiddish Translation of words "Hurmna/Hoyroeh"

Leya Aronson

Hi, It would be better to see the original words. Is there any way you can clip them and show in your message? 
Thank you
Leya Aronson
Toronto, Canada

Posthumous baptisms and privacy concerns #general


Making posthumous baptisms public is the root of the problem.  Mormons should understand why non-Mormons consider this practice offensive and refrain from it, but if they feel religiously obligated to pursue it, I see no reason why they should insist on making it public: That offends for no credible reason.  
I don't have a direct line to the Almighty, but I suspect He understands that this practice cannot be held against the soul of any deceased person. 
Yale Zussman

Re: Births records for Memel (Klaipėda)from September 1874? #lithuania #records

Russ Maurer


The earliest birth records for Memel that I know of were recorded beginning in December of 1874. However, Memel birth records include some that were recorded on a delayed basis, and there are, in fact, half a dozen such delayed records for 1874 births. None of them have the precise date you are looking for, but still worth checking in case your information is not accurate. The records can be searched on as mentioned by Joyaa Antares, but I suggest you search in the LItvakSIG All Lithuania database ( because the extractions there are superior - they are more accurate, and they include the mother's maiden name, the father's occupation, and sometimes further information such as the death of a parent. For delayed registrations, in particular, Ancestry sometimes conflates the year of recording with the year of birth. 

Russ Maurer
Klaipeda district coordinator, LitvakSIG

Re: Births records for Memel (Klaipėda)from September 1874? #lithuania #records


Thanks Joyaa,

I only found Klaipeda, Lithuania, Civil Births, Marriages, Deaths, 1874-1920

<> and this is only marriages and deaths for Klaipeda.


Please will you send me the link to births (1874) for Klaipedia?







Re: Births records for Memel (Klaipėda)from September 1874? #lithuania #records

Carol Hoffman

Try searching the ALD of LitvakSIG. Hopefully you'll find what you're looking for.
Carol Hoffman
Tel Aviv

FW: From Glory to Dispersion - The Sephardi Lisbona family from Damascus #sephardic #events

David Mendoza

David Lisbona will discuss the history of his Sephardic ancestors who originated in Portugal and later settled in Damascus, a major city on the Silk Road. The 'Franco' Sephardic community maintained a distinct identity from the indigenous Arabic-speaking Jews. Using available historic and genealogical sources, including records new to us, David tells the remarkable story of his family, who were prominent in the Damascene Jewish community. Upheavals in the Ottoman Empire and the opening of the Suez Canal led to a decline in the community, with migrations to Egypt, England, the United States and elsewhere.

Topic: From Glory to Dispersion - The Sephardic Lisbona family from Damascus

Time: Nov 16, 2020. 2pm NYC, 7pm London, 8pm Amsterdam/Paris, 9pm Jerusalem.

Sephardic World meetings are free of charge. you can join the mailing list at:

Best wishes,

David Mendoza and Ton Tielen, Sephardic World

Re: Jewish Geneology Society of Colorado presents: Finding Original Jewish Surnames and Towns: Our Ancestors Left Clues #events


This sounds interesting. Is it possible to give time in different zones. I'm in GMT and think that converted it is 5pm but not sure. Thank you.
Noreen (nee Thorne) England
Szczepmanski/a, Mrozowska - Poland

Re: Births records for Memel (Klaipėda)from September 1874? #lithuania #records

Joyaa Antares

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 08:56 AM, <devicesofwonder@...> wrote:
I want to find a birth record for an ancestor who was born in Memel (Klaipėda) on 1 September 1874.

I located an 1873 birth record for Klaipeda for a family member on ancestry.  It's worth searching there. - and good luck!

Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
Researching ZAUSMER, ZOUSMER, CHOUSMER, CHAUSMER, MARCUS, DAVIDOFF, COHEN, KAHN in Polangen, Kretinga, Darbenai, Libau, Riga, Memel

A Journey Through the Ukrainian-Jewish Encounter #galicia #hungary #poland #ukraine

Jan Meisels Allen



This is not a new publication, my apologies if this was posted about several years ago.

A Journey Through the Ukrainian-Jewish Encounter debuted in Canada at the Jewish Ukrainian festival in 2018.


While it’s about Ukraine, it also covers parts of Galicia, Hungarian Kingdom and the Partitions of Poland (1772–95).

You can access the 168-page document with illustrations at:

Just click on the photo when the URL opens.


Thank you to Andrea Massion, JGSCV Board member for sharing this with us.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee




Large LEVY family (Simon and Lena arrived NYC ca. 1890) #usa #general

Jay L Gordon


I am looking for anyone who is researching a LEVY family headed by parents Simon and Lena. They both appear to have arrived in New York around 1890 and may have married in the USA.

As of the 1900 Federal Census, they had six children living who were born in the USA. The sixth of these was Rachel/Rose, my grandfather's stepmother, born in 1899.

Other children include: Mary, Benjamin, David, Henry, Esther, Yetta/Sophie, Julius, Morris, Louis, and Jack. There may have been more. I am reasonably sure I'm not conflating two or more families here-- these names come up consistently in the 1905 and 1925 NY census, as well as the 1910, 1920, and 1940 Federal census (no luck yet with 1930).

I'd especially like to find out more about Simon and Lena. I didn't have much luck on the databases here.

Thank you.

Jay Gordon

Jewish Geneology Society of Colorado presents: Finding Original Jewish Surnames and Towns: Our Ancestors Left Clues #events

Ellen Beller

Sunday, November 15th
10:00 AM to 12:00 PM Mountain time
Speaker Debbie Schwartz

Successful Jewish Genealogy hinges on two essential facts:  what are the Ancestral surnames and towns (Shtetls) for each branch in your family.  Once you have these, you can attend hundreds of other genealogy sessions online or elsewhere to build your past.  But what if you dont know one or both of those facts?  What do you do?  Where do you start?  Is it even possible to re-capture that crucial information if you know neither?  Using many examples and strategies, I will walk you through each showing examples of how original names and towns can be confirmed many decades after they were forgotten or obscured. 

Debbie Schwartz is past president and programming VP for JGSCO.  Her career in Rights Licensing for an educational publisher required her to find creative ways to locate people that didn't always want to be found.  That experience helped her discover creative ways to find and confirm original ancestral last names and towns using clues left by our ancestors.  She launched a company (oriGen) in 2018 to accomplish similar results for others.  Debbie will share practical and focused ways to find and verify original family names and locations in step-by-step presentations.
Ellen Beller

How to locate post war documents from Wloclawek court #poland

Relly coleman

After the war survivors applied to confirm the death of a relative (child, wife, parents, siblings).  I am looking for these records from Wloclawek, I could not  find in the Wloclawek online archive.  Could it be in the Wloclawek Court?  Another municipal office?   Does anyone have suggested sources/links?

The names I am looking for are:  FELD from Dobrzyn nad Wisla
Survivors who filed the request: IZRAEL FELD, MAJER FELD
Associated names in documents: Malka Feld, Gerszyn Feld, and others.

Relly Coleman

Re: Identify military uniform and medals #photographs #general #germany

Fig, Lorraine

Many thanks for your replies.  Great appreciated.  A few follow up questions (sorry but I know nothing about this subject):
1.  Are there uniform details that would help to identify German vs. Prussian?  Any regimental details, etc?
2.  Does the lower medal explain more about why the Iron Cross was awarded, or are the 2 medals totally separate (awarded for separate conduct)?
3.  Are there any lists of WWI awardees that would help to identify the subject?
Thank you!

Lorraine Fig Shapiro
Ann Arbor, MI

Researching: SLADOWSKY (Suwalki and East Prussia), LUDWINOWSKI (Suwalki and East Prussia), FIG (Lithuania), CHAPMAN (UK)

Re: Rothenberg family tree #general


I have a Rotenberg/Rottenberg/Rosenberg great-grandmother (the official documentation that I have uses all three versions) that came from Zohatin, Galicia and moved to Budapest in the mid to late 1800s.  What are the chances that the name was just picked at random (perhaps because of one of these famous Rothenberg Rabbis) when Austrian Jews were forced to acquire surnames?

Tom Beer
Melbourne, Australia

Re: ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation



In Rusian:




Состоялось в городе Пултуск 22-го января (4 февраля) 1902-го года в 2 часа дня.  Явился равин Пултуского религиозного округа Абрам Бегам и в присутствии свидетелей Боруха Розенблюма, торговца, 71 года и Шии-Лейбы Гольдмахера, учителя 38-и лет, оба жители города Пултуск, и объявили, что 16 (29) января, в 11 часов ночи, был заключен религиозный брачный союз между присудствующими Ароном Домбом, холостым, 28-и лет, торговцем, сыном живущих Зельмана и Гитли, урожденной Мендлевны (возможно), супругов Домб, проживающем при родителях в деревне Домбрувка (не ясно), Маковского религиозного округа, с Эстер-Рохл Млявской, девицей, 22 лет, дочерью живущих Берки и Маргулы, урожденной Мильштейн, супругов Млявских, проживающей в деревне Грохи-стары (не ясно) Козлово, Пултуского религиозного округа с родителями.  Браку этому предшествовали троекратное оглашение опубликованные в Маковской синагоге 15, 22, 29 декабря 1901 года и в Пултуской синагоге 8, 15 и 22 декабря 1901 года, как об этом удостоверяют приложенные свидетельства.  Новобрачные объявили, что брачный контракт заключен не был.  По прочтении присутствующим, акт нами и равином подписан, кроме неграмотных новобрачных. 


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Translated into English:






It took place in the city of Pultusk on January 22 (February 4) 1902 at 2 pm. The rabbi of the Pultu religious district Abram Begam appeared and in the presence of witnesses Borukh Rosenblum, a merchant, 71 years old, and Shya-Leiba Goldmakher, a 38-year-old teacher, both residents of the city of Pultusk, and announced that on January 16 (29), at 11 am, A religious marriage union was concluded between the present Aron Domb, single, 28 years old, a merchant, the son of living Zelman and Gitlya, nee Mendlevna (possibly), the spouses of Domb, living with their parents in the village of Dombruvka (not clear), Makovsky religious district, with Esther-Rokhl Mlyavsky, a damsel, 22 years old, the daughter of living Berka and Margulya, née Milstein, the Mlyavsky spouses, living in the village of Grokhi-stary (not clear) Kozlovo, Pultu religious district with her parents. This marriage was preceded by a three-fold announcement published in the Makovsky synagogue on December 15, 22, 29, 1901 and in the Pultusk synagogue on December 8, 15 and 22, 1901, as evidenced by the attached certificates. The newlyweds announced that the marriage contract had not been concluded. Upon reading by those present, the act was signed by us and the rabbi, except for illiterate newlyweds.




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