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Searching for Anatoly and Marina Korostishevsky (ROPSCHITZ) #ukraine #israel #poland #belarus #galicia

YBentham
 

Greetings Genners
My cousin Shtenya ROPSCHITZ from Lvov survived the holocaust by jumping off the train taking her parents
(Amalia and Ludwig Merkel)
and our grandparents (Morris and Sofia Ropschitz)
to their deaths when she was 18.
She married and changed her first name becoming Yusefa Korostishevskaya. Her husband was Arkady and they had a son, Anatoly and a daughter Marina. I would dearly love to track them down. In 1997 they were living in Zhovtneva Street in Lvov but I believe they may have moved to Israel. I came across Stenya's name on a Russian genealogy site which I have not been able to locate since, which suggested she had died (2012 I think) in Israel. The name of the person entering the information was Zhanya Shumax, a name unknown to me. I have been unable to locate Stenya's name on an Israeli grave site so far. Anatoly would be around 70 by now. He could be in Ukraine or Israel...any help much appreciated. I have photos of Stenya and her son Anatoly attached. Marina I am assuming might be harder to find if she has married.

Many thanks
Yolanda Ropschitz-Bentham
Somerset
England
Researching KOROSTISHEVSKY/ROPSCHITZ/MERKEL


Re: Records for Ellis Island deportations #records

Marian
 

Mary,
 
I’ve been thinking about your question for a long time, wondering how to answer in a simple way.  This is my long-winded attempt:
 
Several of the replies below have good information that helps.  For example, David stressed the importance of examining the List of Aliens Held for Special Inquiry to look for clues, and includes the caveat that “only a few BSI hearing records survive.”  That is true.  Only cases where the decision of the Board of Special Inquiry was appealed survive.
 
But when I went to look at the BSI List for your Ettel and Riwke Rand, I saw a big clue—a stamp (upside down) saying “HOLD ON APPEAL.”  So there was an appeal in their case.  If that file survives it should be at the National Archives in Washington, DC.  But it cannot be requested without a file number.
 
Another reply came from Wendy, who was able to obtain just such a file from NARA after obtaining information from USCIS.  My guess is USCIS searched their internal index upon Wendy’s request and replied by providing her the file number needed for NARA to locate the file.  But can we find Ettel Rand’s file number without asking USCIS?  In many cases, yes.
 
First, I searched the INS Subject Correspondence index 1906-1957 (T458), now searchable by name on Ancestry.com here.  I searched by name (Rand, R*nd, etc.) and found nothing.  I was unable to search on the cause of exclusion (health condition) because we didn’t know what ailed her/them.  I searched the ship name (RYNDAM, RJINDAM, etc.) and learned the first card for that ship is dated May 1908.  So your Rand case seems to be too early for the INS Subject Index/T458.
 
So second, I searched the INS Name Index ca. 1893-1932, which actually dates ca. 1898-1903 with some as late as 1911.  This index is made of two parts (two indexes, really) and ONE part is digitized and searchable in the NARA online catalog here.  But again, I could not find any reference to Ettel or Riwke Rand.  [The other half/other index is digitized and being indexed by NARA staff, who are working hard.  Perhaps those cards cover the time period you need?  Time will tell.]
 
Not giving up, I went back to the December 1907 RYNDAM passenger list, specifically to the BSI lists at the end, and looked for other passengers who were deported or might have had an appeal.  Usually, if I can find a few other cases from the same ship I can find at least one of those names in the INS Subject Index or the Name Index (both discussed above).  The reason I do so is because all the appeal cases from New York (or any other port) were forwarded in batches (or bunches) to Washington, DC.  In Washington, INS typically assigned all the files in a batch with consecutive numbers.  Thus if I can find another case from that day I can identify a file number very close to the one I seek.  Usually.
 
In this case I could not find any of the names of deported passengers from the RYNDAM.  So I searched for ships before and after, first from the same day, then a day before and day after.  Still no luck.  What I learned is there is a gap in the indices from late 1907 to early 1908.  I do not know why.  I assume the files are there but are not indexed by anything publicly available.
 
There is a good chance USCIS could find the reference in their Master Index and provide you the needed number.  Sadly that means a USCIS Genealogy Program Index Search Request ($65).  If you submit a request to USCIS, include a note or comment that you especially want them to look for “an archives card.”
 
Marian Smith
 
p.s.  I did have one other idea, but it would not provide the needed appeal file number.  Correspondence FROM Ellis Island from 1903 to 1912 survives (tissue copies) at NARA in Washington, DC, catalog record here.  It is filed chronologically with many letters outgoing each day, including the cover letters transmitting appeals to Washington.  The first hearing in Ettel’s case was Dec 11th, something was withdrawn Dec. 17th, and deportation took place Jan 7th.  Searching these would require starting at December 11, 1907 and reading forward (for maybe a week?) looking for the letter naming Ettel Rand.  The letter itself would be boilerplate and, as I said, would not provide the file number needed.  But it would give a good idea of the date when the file was opened in Washington (1 or 2 days after the date of the Ellis Island letter).
 


Re: Stanley Diamond lecture on DNA-assisted discoveries #dna #poland

Alan Greenberg
 

7:30 Eastern Standard Time (US and Canada) on Monday, 23 November. That is 00:30 UTC 24 November.

Alan Greenberg


At 2020-11-20 02:01 PM, Sherri Bobish via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

Hi 'genners,

Can anyone tell us what time the JGS Montreal talk on the 23rd by Stanley Diamond will begin?

There is some confusion about time zones.

Thank you,

Sherri Bobish


View Mate Translation Request – Polish- RZEPNIK #poland #translation

Alice Klein
 

(Original post stated it was Russian. It is Polish and I have corrected it.)

I've posted 4 records on ViewMate for three consecutive pages from the Holocaust Survivors and Victims Database for David RZEPNIK. A complete translation would be appreciated. I know the family names and dates, but want to understand what is written, why, date of record, and any other information that can be gleaned.

They are on ViewMate in order at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88568

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88569

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88570

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88571

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much,

Alice Klein

La Vista, NE

Researching:

ROSEN/ROER, ROSENBERG: Poland

HIRSCH/GIRSHOVITCH: Lithuania

RZEPNIK, SZULKLEJNOT, GLIKMAN, OSMAN: Poland

GLASSMAN, KRENZEL, KATZ, SCHINDLER: Ukraine

GREENSTEIN/GREENSTONE, MARX: Romania

 


KAUFMANN family in Holzwickede #germany

Mike Redel
 

Dear gersigs,

I hope one of you could help me.

Elfriede Kaufmann died 26.08.1870 in Dudenroth now a part of
Holzwickede. Her parents were Seligmann Kaufmann and Henni Steiner.
What is happend with her parents.

A Seligann Kaufmann was born 17.0.1839 in Wehr a part of Meyen.
Parents Simon and Fanny Seligmann. A Seligma8nn Kaufmann died
10.08.1914 in Holzwwickede. A Julie Kaufmann born Feldheim died
11.02.1920 in Holzwickede. Is Julie the secound wife?

Seligmann was a butcher and life in Holzwickede Rausingen 4 later Nordstr. 4

regards

Mike Redel
59425 Unna - Germany


Re: Stanley Diamond lecture on DNA-assisted discoveries #dna #poland

Sherri Bobish
 


Hi 'genners,

Can anyone tell us what time the JGS Montreal talk on the 23rd by Stanley Diamond will begin? 

There is some confusion about time zones.

Thank you,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Young Galician boys forced labor for Russian army during FIRST World War #galicia

Sherri Bobish
 


Sharon,

https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/forced_labour
"This article examines the conditions, forms and consequences of forced labor and recruitment during the First World War, especially in German-occupied northern France, Belgium, Russian-Poland and Lithuania."

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: maccabi inWloclawek #general #poland

Sherri Bobish
 


Relly,

A quick search found one item at YIVO.  You may want to contact YIVO to ask if they have anything more that is relevant to your search.
http://polishjews.yivoarchives.org/archive/?p=collections/controlcard&id=21379

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Stanley Diamond lecture on DNA-assisted discoveries #dna #poland

Victoria Barkoff
 

That is correct, Lee Hover. I probably should have specified the time zone.

Stanley's Diamond's presentation on DNA-assisted genealogy discoveries is at 7:30 pm Eastern, and so 4:30 pm Pacific. 

Nov 23 - 7:30 pm Eastern time - https://youtu.be/XBAr94gW83o

Victoria Barkoff
Montreal, Canada





Potok Zloty cemetery project-reposting correct link!! #ukraine

Milton Koch
 

The previous emails had incorrect links to the photographs. The correct link is posted below.

I am undertaking an attempt to save and restore parts of this small 
cemetery in Potok Zloty-now Zolityi Potik (Ukraine).
There is a website from the Center for Jewish Art, in Jerusalem, with many pictures (pages) of matzevot from the old cemetery. The pictures are thumbnails, so asking for help with interpreting postings via Viewmate is not likely to be helpful due to poor quality of uploads.

I am attaching the link to the site with the entire collection of 
matzevot and some of them also have Hebrew translations.
https://cja.huji.ac.il/browser.php?mode=set&id=7516

Please reply privately to me if you can help, advise, make any 
suggestions, etc.
Thank you very much.
Milton Koch
Bethesda, MD, USA
mjk1944@...
 
 
 
 


Re: Stanley Diamond lecture on DNA-assisted discoveries #dna #poland

Sarah L Meyer
 

Is this open to people not in Montreal? Will the YouTube be available after the program for replay?

Sarah
--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Re: Wanted: WWII Era European Railway Maps #general

idgoldfein@...
 

Thank you very much! These have proved to be most helpful.

Irv

Dr. Irving D. Goldfein

Southfield, Michigan

idgoldfein@...


Re: Looking for record leads for ZYLBERMAN from 1850s-1860s in Wyszkow in Poland/Russia #poland #russia

perlagold@...
 

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 08:41 PM, Debbie Terman wrote:
Hello all,
 
I am trying to connect 3 branches of ZILBERMAN/ZYLBERMAN ancestors who were all from Wyszkow & surrounding area in Russia/Poland in mid to late 1800s.
My theory is that these 3 people were siblings:
Abram Josek (Yosev) ZILBERMAN
Chawa Zylberman DYBNER
Leiba Rejza Zilberman RUBIN
but I haven't been able to prove or disprove it.
Here is what I know:
Leiba was born early in 1860, calculated from her age as listed in her children's birth records. Her parents were Ajzyk ZILBERMAN & Chaja Sura SOKOL. Leiba had a twin brother Lejzor Litman and an older brother Zelek, born c. 1858 as calculated from his marriage record. (There are also 2 younger siblings who I found, with a 6 year gap between the twins & the next one.) By using parent ages in the marriage records, I estimate that Ajzyk was born in 1816 & Chaja Sura in 1824. This would mean that their oldest child I've found (Zelek) was born when Ajzyk was 41 and Chaja Sura was 33. That would have been very old to start having children during that time (and very old for my family).
Chawa was born between 1850 & 1854, calculated from her age as listed in her children's birth records. There are discrepancies in her age listings, which is why a range. She was my gg-grandmother. Because she was born and married before the earliest Wyszkow records posted on JRI-Poland (which start 1874), I cannot locate her records and do not know her parents' names. She would fit in as an older sibling to Zelek and Leiba based on the timing.
Abram Josek was born between 1861 & 1864, again calculated from children's birth records with age discrepancies. I don't know his parents' names, though he would fit in the 6-year gap mentioned above.
As far as I know, none of these people came to the US, but they all had at least one child who did, and I am able to find information on the US side about those who immigrated.
My uncle z"l, who passed away last summer, had a vague recollection that Leiba's children & Abram Josek's children were first cousins to Chawa's daughter (my great-grandmother & his grandmother), which would fit with the 3 ancestors above being siblings. However, a vague recollection is not a proof.
Can anyone guide me to where I can look for information from the 1850-1865 period in Wyszkow to help me figure this out?
Thanks in advance.
 
Debbie Cohn Terman
Newton MA, USA

 Hi Debbie,
My grandparents were Mottel and Leiba (Schenker) Zylberman. They were from Opole Lubelski, Poland. My great grandparents were Kiva and Perla (Lerner) Zylberman. I'm not sure of their proximity to Wyszkow, but I thought I would write you in the outside chance there was a connection.
Coincidentally, my sister lives in Newton.
Regards,
Perla Goldschmidt 


King David Cemetery, Queens #usa

Gail H. Marcus
 

A relative of mine says that members of his family were buried at King David Cemetery in Queens.

I haven't been able to find this cemetery.  Does anyone know of a cemetery by this name in this location?

(I find a King David Cemetery in Putnam Valley, and a Beth David Cemetery in Elmont, but neither of these have family members buried there.  I'm wondering if there might be a closed cemetery that matches his description.

Gail Marcus
Bethesda, MD


ViewMate Translation Request - Russian, Hebrew #poland #translation

Aaron Slotnik
 

Hello,

I've posted 2 vital records in Russian and Hebrew for which I need a translation of the genealogical information.  They are from Bialystok and are therefore in the columnar format . . . the marriage record is double-sided with Russian on one side and Hebrew on the other.  They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:

Itka WAJNSZTEJN marriage registration - https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88580 
Pinchas WAJNSZTEJN death registration - https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88581 

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Thank you very much in advance.

Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL


Re: Stanley Diamond lecture on DNA-assisted discoveries #dna #poland

Lee Hover
 

I assume that is eastern time, and so would be 4:30 Pacific time.  Am I correct in that assumption?

Lee MESSING  Hover
Lacey, WA


Re: Looking for record leads for ZYLBERMAN from 1850s-1860s in Wyszkow in Poland/Russia #poland #russia

Aaron Slotnik
 

Hello Debbie,

It may be the case, perhaps even likely, that the 'proof' you're seeking will not be forthcoming.  In these cases, as genealogists we need to make a determination based on an exhaustive search of the available records and the weight of the evidence.  Since vital records do not exist for the time period you're seeking, we need to look for substitutes.  For Wyszkow, it appears that marriage alegata are available which sometimes include birth or other supplemental records for the parties in the marriage.  If you can find those for the people in question, they may provide additional information.

If you haven't already, you should try to locate the death records for these presumed siblings as those may have their parents' names.  Sometimes death records of parents will name the children or at least give the number of living children--it appears that Ajzyk died in 1883 and Chaja Sura in 1884 so you should get those records translated if you haven't already.

In cases like these, I've also used Ashkenazic naming traditions to substantiate a theory of shared ancestry.  If these presumed siblings all have children or grandchildren with the given names Ajzyk and Chaja Sura, it's likely they were named after shared ancestors.  For example, it appears that Abram Josek had a delayed 1898 birth registration for a daughter named Chaja Sura.

Finally, I would suggest contacting the JRI-Poland Town Leader to see if he has any additional information or suggestions . . . I know he has been active on this forum in the past.

Hopefully this helps!

Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL


Re: meaning of the word "molitor" #names

Eric M. Bloch
 

A molitor in Latin can also refer to a miller.

Eric M. Bloch
Milwaukee, WI


Mt. Zion Cemetery request #usa

Janis and Joe Datz
 

At anyone's convenience, may I get a photo of the following headstones please.  Many thanks in advance.

GOLDIE DATZ

BIRTH.  9 Jul 1904
DEATH 6 Apr 1915 (aged 10)

PLOT Society: WORKMENS; Path:43R; Row:54; Grave:1

MARY DATZ

BIRTH unknown
DEATH23 May 1938

PLOT Society.:WILKOMIRER; Path:41R; Gate:9; Row:1; Grave: 1 RS

Janis Datz
jjdatz@...


Re: Resources for Jewish Refugees who went to Uruguay #lodz

David Jacobowitz
 

I also found the manifest in a different color on FamilySearch. Rela Wilczynski was indexed as Rola, which I corrected.
Then this image from JOINT showed up, with Rela accompanied by Josef and Jacob Wilczynski. Thank you for the encouragement and help.  David Jacobowitz (Cousin by marriage  of Rosita Bar-Yaakov.)

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