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Stanley Diamonds lecture of DNA assisted genealogy #dna

Rosalind
 

It would be wonderful if Stanley would allow us to read  a transcript of his lecture.

It is very difficult to catch anything in real time from USA to Israel, because it means being up at strange brain free hours of our night.

As one of his many admirers I would really love to learn some more from him.

Ros Romem

Jerusalem


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Re: Stanley Diamond lecture on DNA-assisted discoveries #dna #poland

Victoria Barkoff
 

The Stanley Diamond lecture on DNA-assisted discoveries is open to all. It will be on Monday, November 23 at 7:30 PM Eastern time. Link to the live stream: 
https://youtu.be/XBAr94gW83o
If all goes well, there should be a recording of the presentation on the JGS-Montreal You Tube channel within a day or two. Same link.

Victoria Barkoff
Montreal 


Re: King David Cemetery, Queens #usa

Adam Turner
 

It it possible that they confused the name of the cemetery with the name of the burial society in whose section they are buried within a larger cemetery? My ancestors are buried in the Crown of David Sick and Benevolent Association section of Mount Zion Cemetery in Queens; it appears this burial society also purchased sections of other Queens cemeteries (Montefiore, Mount Carmel, etc.).

Adam Turner 


Re: Volunteer cememtery project from home #records

Ed Vogel
 

I would be happy to help with this project.  I'm currently unemployed and have plenty of time.  I'm very familiar with spreadsheets and have done gravestones previously.  My Hebrew is good enough for simple inscriptions and I'm familiar with the Jewishgen "Reading Hebrew Tombstones" web page.

Regards.

Ed Vogel


Re: Records for Ellis Island deportations #records

Mary Henderson
 

Hi, Marian and group!

Marian - thank you so much for going to such effort, and detailing your efforts for us, regarding the deportation of Ettel and Riwke Rand!  I so appreciate your efforts and also letting the group know what your methodology is.  This has been a really interesting case to work on - I've learned a lot.  One interesting tidbit is that Ettel and Riwke were, of course, both deported, but Ettel Rand turned right around and hopped back on the same ship she was deported on, for it's next trip back to NYC, where she was admitted to the US through Ellis Island.

I was able to get the file numbers for Ettel and Riwke Rand and now have a request in to NARA to see if the records still exist.  I'll keep the group posted on what transpires from my request. 

But here's a golden nugget - I got the file numbers - at no cost! - by emailing the USCIS History Office and Library:

They were super helpful - they sent me the note card on the case with the file number and also told me the Records Group number, and Entry number that would allow NARA to find the records, if they exist.  The person that sent me this said they had had a "discussion" about this in their office, and that they would like me to let them know if I find anything further - so they really took an interest in this - and it really made my day.  So I think the  USCIS History Office and Library can be a really valuable resource, and might help us avoid the high costs of doing a USCIS search, at least perhaps in certain circumstances.  

Mary Henderson


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Re: Records for Ellis Island deportations #records

Susan&David
 

There was good news for Ethel Rand. Upon her return to Rotterdam on the Statendam she quickly re-booked passage to New York on the same ship. She arrived at Ellis Island as Ittel Rand on Feb 6, 1908  The manifest shows her as having been in NY in December, 1907. This time she faced the BSI for LPC.  She was admitted at 1:45 on the same day.

David Rosen
Boston, MA


On 11/20/2020 2:30 PM, Marian via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Mary,
 
I’ve been thinking about your question for a long time, wondering how to answer in a simple way.  This is my long-winded attempt:
 
Several of the replies below have good information that helps.  For example, David stressed the importance of examining the List of Aliens Held for Special Inquiry to look for clues, and includes the caveat that “only a few BSI hearing records survive.”  That is true.  Only cases where the decision of the Board of Special Inquiry was appealed survive.
 
But when I went to look at the BSI List for your Ettel and Riwke Rand, I saw a big clue—a stamp (upside down) saying “HOLD ON APPEAL.”  So there was an appeal in their case.  If that file survives it should be at the National Archives in Washington, DC.  But it cannot be requested without a file number.
 
Another reply came from Wendy, who was able to obtain just such a file from NARA after obtaining information from USCIS.  My guess is USCIS searched their internal index upon Wendy’s request and replied by providing her the file number needed for NARA to locate the file.  But can we find Ettel Rand’s file number without asking USCIS?  In many cases, yes.
 
First, I searched the INS Subject Correspondence index 1906-1957 (T458), now searchable by name on Ancestry.com here.  I searched by name (Rand, R*nd, etc.) and found nothing.  I was unable to search on the cause of exclusion (health condition) because we didn’t know what ailed her/them.  I searched the ship name (RYNDAM, RJINDAM, etc.) and learned the first card for that ship is dated May 1908.  So your Rand case seems to be too early for the INS Subject Index/T458.
 
So second, I searched the INS Name Index ca. 1893-1932, which actually dates ca. 1898-1903 with some as late as 1911.  This index is made of two parts (two indexes, really) and ONE part is digitized and searchable in the NARA online catalog here.  But again, I could not find any reference to Ettel or Riwke Rand.  [The other half/other index is digitized and being indexed by NARA staff, who are working hard.  Perhaps those cards cover the time period you need?  Time will tell.]
 
Not giving up, I went back to the December 1907 RYNDAM passenger list, specifically to the BSI lists at the end, and looked for other passengers who were deported or might have had an appeal.  Usually, if I can find a few other cases from the same ship I can find at least one of those names in the INS Subject Index or the Name Index (both discussed above).  The reason I do so is because all the appeal cases from New York (or any other port) were forwarded in batches (or bunches) to Washington, DC.  In Washington, INS typically assigned all the files in a batch with consecutive numbers.  Thus if I can find another case from that day I can identify a file number very close to the one I seek.  Usually.
 
In this case I could not find any of the names of deported passengers from the RYNDAM.  So I searched for ships before and after, first from the same day, then a day before and day after.  Still no luck.  What I learned is there is a gap in the indices from late 1907 to early 1908.  I do not know why.  I assume the files are there but are not indexed by anything publicly available.
 
There is a good chance USCIS could find the reference in their Master Index and provide you the needed number.  Sadly that means a USCIS Genealogy Program Index Search Request ($65).  If you submit a request to USCIS, include a note or comment that you especially want them to look for “an archives card.”
 
Marian Smith
 
p.s.  I did have one other idea, but it would not provide the needed appeal file number.  Correspondence FROM Ellis Island from 1903 to 1912 survives (tissue copies) at NARA in Washington, DC, catalog record here.  It is filed chronologically with many letters outgoing each day, including the cover letters transmitting appeals to Washington.  The first hearing in Ettel’s case was Dec 11th, something was withdrawn Dec. 17th, and deportation took place Jan 7th.  Searching these would require starting at December 11, 1907 and reading forward (for maybe a week?) looking for the letter naming Ettel Rand.  The letter itself would be boilerplate and, as I said, would not provide the file number needed.  But it would give a good idea of the date when the file was opened in Washington (1 or 2 days after the date of the Ellis Island letter).
 


Re: Margolioth/Margulies rabbinic family from Galicia #rabbinic #galicia

Dan Rottenberg
 

The only connection  I can think of between Perlmutter and Margolioth is this: The name Margolioth/Margulies comes from the Hebrew word margalith, which comes from the Greek word for pearl. Several scholarly books says the name indicates descent from a woman named Pearl or some variation. Indeed, the Margolioth rabbinic dynasty is traced back to a 15th-century couple named Moses and Margala Marmonda. Their son, Jacob Margolioth of Nuremberg (1420?-1492?), was the first to bear the Margolioth surname. Presumably he took it as a tribute to his mother, Margala, who might also have been known as Pearl.
Dan Rottenberg
Philadelphia PA USA


Can anyone help me identify this couple from FERRAMONTI INTERNMENT CAMP ITALY 1943? #austria-czech #germany #hungary #israel #slovakia

YBentham
 

Hello Genners

While editing my late father's book about his experiences in the Italian internment camp Ferramonti di Tarsia, I came across many references to and photos of the couple in the photos attached. What I know is that the woman was German speaking, the man was from Zagreb. He was considerably older than her and diabetic and they were childless. When many internees fled the camp after it was mistakenly hit by friendly fire in July 1943, my father and this couple escaped to an Albanian village in the hills. They returned to the camp a couple of months later when the allies liberated the camp in September 1943. The couple apparently went to Bari in Puglia to await a ship to take them to Israel maybe? I have no idea. My father gave them the fictitious names of Arnold and Su Springer but I have reason to believe her name began with the letter M which I have found on the back of several of her photos. I have a lock of her hair but I am told it is not possible to get a DNA test as there is no follicle and the hair is old...what a shame...I do love a good detective story but I am running out of time. 

If anyone recognises them or the story please let me know...I have many more photos of the lady but not of her husband.
Thank you so much!

Yolanda Ropschitz-Bentham
Bridgwater
Somerset
England
Researching ROPSCHITZ/MERKEL/KOROSTISHEVSKY


Re: Vital records from Bessarabia. #bessarabia #records

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello Steve,  I am addressing this to the whole group, because I am getting similar questions.

In order to find out what towns/year of data we have translated and loaded to JewishGen databases, the best is to get to the Introductory pages for that database.  In case of Steve's question, it is Bessarabia Vital records.  When you do a search, you can see all the databases, including Bessarabia Vital records, with the Introductory pages for the set you searching.  Here is a direct link for this Introductory pages database: https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Romania/KishinevVRs.htm   but again,  the links to Introductory pages you can easily get
It is clear from it, that we have birth records not only for Kishinev, but also Beltsy, Bendery, Novoselitsa and a number of smaller places, like Kaushany, Romanovka. Gancheshty, etc. etc.

If you follow our latest discoveries, we acquired many sets of records from Bessarabia, and soon will start uploading completed sets.  We have now about 3,000+ records from Bendery and Bendery uezd, several hundred from Soroki uezd, and more.

Same you find with any other databases, like Bessarabia Revision Lists, etc.

All the best,
Shabbat Shalom,
Yefim Kogan


Searching for Anatoly and Marina Korostishevsky (ROPSCHITZ) #ukraine #israel #poland #belarus #galicia

YBentham
 

Greetings Genners
My cousin Shtenya ROPSCHITZ from Lvov survived the holocaust by jumping off the train taking her parents
(Amalia and Ludwig Merkel)
and our grandparents (Morris and Sofia Ropschitz)
to their deaths when she was 18.
She married and changed her first name becoming Yusefa Korostishevskaya. Her husband was Arkady and they had a son, Anatoly and a daughter Marina. I would dearly love to track them down. In 1997 they were living in Zhovtneva Street in Lvov but I believe they may have moved to Israel. I came across Stenya's name on a Russian genealogy site which I have not been able to locate since, which suggested she had died (2012 I think) in Israel. The name of the person entering the information was Zhanya Shumax, a name unknown to me. I have been unable to locate Stenya's name on an Israeli grave site so far. Anatoly would be around 70 by now. He could be in Ukraine or Israel...any help much appreciated. I have photos of Stenya and her son Anatoly attached. Marina I am assuming might be harder to find if she has married.

Many thanks
Yolanda Ropschitz-Bentham
Somerset
England
Researching KOROSTISHEVSKY/ROPSCHITZ/MERKEL


Re: Records for Ellis Island deportations #records

Marian
 

Mary,
 
I’ve been thinking about your question for a long time, wondering how to answer in a simple way.  This is my long-winded attempt:
 
Several of the replies below have good information that helps.  For example, David stressed the importance of examining the List of Aliens Held for Special Inquiry to look for clues, and includes the caveat that “only a few BSI hearing records survive.”  That is true.  Only cases where the decision of the Board of Special Inquiry was appealed survive.
 
But when I went to look at the BSI List for your Ettel and Riwke Rand, I saw a big clue—a stamp (upside down) saying “HOLD ON APPEAL.”  So there was an appeal in their case.  If that file survives it should be at the National Archives in Washington, DC.  But it cannot be requested without a file number.
 
Another reply came from Wendy, who was able to obtain just such a file from NARA after obtaining information from USCIS.  My guess is USCIS searched their internal index upon Wendy’s request and replied by providing her the file number needed for NARA to locate the file.  But can we find Ettel Rand’s file number without asking USCIS?  In many cases, yes.
 
First, I searched the INS Subject Correspondence index 1906-1957 (T458), now searchable by name on Ancestry.com here.  I searched by name (Rand, R*nd, etc.) and found nothing.  I was unable to search on the cause of exclusion (health condition) because we didn’t know what ailed her/them.  I searched the ship name (RYNDAM, RJINDAM, etc.) and learned the first card for that ship is dated May 1908.  So your Rand case seems to be too early for the INS Subject Index/T458.
 
So second, I searched the INS Name Index ca. 1893-1932, which actually dates ca. 1898-1903 with some as late as 1911.  This index is made of two parts (two indexes, really) and ONE part is digitized and searchable in the NARA online catalog here.  But again, I could not find any reference to Ettel or Riwke Rand.  [The other half/other index is digitized and being indexed by NARA staff, who are working hard.  Perhaps those cards cover the time period you need?  Time will tell.]
 
Not giving up, I went back to the December 1907 RYNDAM passenger list, specifically to the BSI lists at the end, and looked for other passengers who were deported or might have had an appeal.  Usually, if I can find a few other cases from the same ship I can find at least one of those names in the INS Subject Index or the Name Index (both discussed above).  The reason I do so is because all the appeal cases from New York (or any other port) were forwarded in batches (or bunches) to Washington, DC.  In Washington, INS typically assigned all the files in a batch with consecutive numbers.  Thus if I can find another case from that day I can identify a file number very close to the one I seek.  Usually.
 
In this case I could not find any of the names of deported passengers from the RYNDAM.  So I searched for ships before and after, first from the same day, then a day before and day after.  Still no luck.  What I learned is there is a gap in the indices from late 1907 to early 1908.  I do not know why.  I assume the files are there but are not indexed by anything publicly available.
 
There is a good chance USCIS could find the reference in their Master Index and provide you the needed number.  Sadly that means a USCIS Genealogy Program Index Search Request ($65).  If you submit a request to USCIS, include a note or comment that you especially want them to look for “an archives card.”
 
Marian Smith
 
p.s.  I did have one other idea, but it would not provide the needed appeal file number.  Correspondence FROM Ellis Island from 1903 to 1912 survives (tissue copies) at NARA in Washington, DC, catalog record here.  It is filed chronologically with many letters outgoing each day, including the cover letters transmitting appeals to Washington.  The first hearing in Ettel’s case was Dec 11th, something was withdrawn Dec. 17th, and deportation took place Jan 7th.  Searching these would require starting at December 11, 1907 and reading forward (for maybe a week?) looking for the letter naming Ettel Rand.  The letter itself would be boilerplate and, as I said, would not provide the file number needed.  But it would give a good idea of the date when the file was opened in Washington (1 or 2 days after the date of the Ellis Island letter).
 


Re: Stanley Diamond lecture on DNA-assisted discoveries #dna #poland

Alan Greenberg
 

7:30 Eastern Standard Time (US and Canada) on Monday, 23 November. That is 00:30 UTC 24 November.

Alan Greenberg


At 2020-11-20 02:01 PM, Sherri Bobish via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

Hi 'genners,

Can anyone tell us what time the JGS Montreal talk on the 23rd by Stanley Diamond will begin?

There is some confusion about time zones.

Thank you,

Sherri Bobish


View Mate Translation Request – Polish- RZEPNIK #poland #translation

Alice Klein
 

(Original post stated it was Russian. It is Polish and I have corrected it.)

I've posted 4 records on ViewMate for three consecutive pages from the Holocaust Survivors and Victims Database for David RZEPNIK. A complete translation would be appreciated. I know the family names and dates, but want to understand what is written, why, date of record, and any other information that can be gleaned.

They are on ViewMate in order at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88568

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88569

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88570

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88571

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much,

Alice Klein

La Vista, NE

Researching:

ROSEN/ROER, ROSENBERG: Poland

HIRSCH/GIRSHOVITCH: Lithuania

RZEPNIK, SZULKLEJNOT, GLIKMAN, OSMAN: Poland

GLASSMAN, KRENZEL, KATZ, SCHINDLER: Ukraine

GREENSTEIN/GREENSTONE, MARX: Romania

 


KAUFMANN family in Holzwickede #germany

Mike Redel
 

Dear gersigs,

I hope one of you could help me.

Elfriede Kaufmann died 26.08.1870 in Dudenroth now a part of
Holzwickede. Her parents were Seligmann Kaufmann and Henni Steiner.
What is happend with her parents.

A Seligann Kaufmann was born 17.0.1839 in Wehr a part of Meyen.
Parents Simon and Fanny Seligmann. A Seligma8nn Kaufmann died
10.08.1914 in Holzwwickede. A Julie Kaufmann born Feldheim died
11.02.1920 in Holzwickede. Is Julie the secound wife?

Seligmann was a butcher and life in Holzwickede Rausingen 4 later Nordstr. 4

regards

Mike Redel
59425 Unna - Germany


Re: Stanley Diamond lecture on DNA-assisted discoveries #dna #poland

Sherri Bobish
 


Hi 'genners,

Can anyone tell us what time the JGS Montreal talk on the 23rd by Stanley Diamond will begin? 

There is some confusion about time zones.

Thank you,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Young Galician boys forced labor for Russian army during FIRST World War #galicia

Sherri Bobish
 


Sharon,

https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/forced_labour
"This article examines the conditions, forms and consequences of forced labor and recruitment during the First World War, especially in German-occupied northern France, Belgium, Russian-Poland and Lithuania."

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: maccabi inWloclawek #general #poland

Sherri Bobish
 


Relly,

A quick search found one item at YIVO.  You may want to contact YIVO to ask if they have anything more that is relevant to your search.
http://polishjews.yivoarchives.org/archive/?p=collections/controlcard&id=21379

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Stanley Diamond lecture on DNA-assisted discoveries #dna #poland

Victoria Barkoff
 

That is correct, Lee Hover. I probably should have specified the time zone.

Stanley's Diamond's presentation on DNA-assisted genealogy discoveries is at 7:30 pm Eastern, and so 4:30 pm Pacific. 

Nov 23 - 7:30 pm Eastern time - https://youtu.be/XBAr94gW83o

Victoria Barkoff
Montreal, Canada





Potok Zloty cemetery project-reposting correct link!! #ukraine

Milton Koch
 

The previous emails had incorrect links to the photographs. The correct link is posted below.

I am undertaking an attempt to save and restore parts of this small 
cemetery in Potok Zloty-now Zolityi Potik (Ukraine).
There is a website from the Center for Jewish Art, in Jerusalem, with many pictures (pages) of matzevot from the old cemetery. The pictures are thumbnails, so asking for help with interpreting postings via Viewmate is not likely to be helpful due to poor quality of uploads.

I am attaching the link to the site with the entire collection of 
matzevot and some of them also have Hebrew translations.
https://cja.huji.ac.il/browser.php?mode=set&id=7516

Please reply privately to me if you can help, advise, make any 
suggestions, etc.
Thank you very much.
Milton Koch
Bethesda, MD, USA
mjk1944@...
 
 
 
 


Re: Stanley Diamond lecture on DNA-assisted discoveries #dna #poland

Sarah L Meyer
 

Is this open to people not in Montreal? Will the YouTube be available after the program for replay?

Sarah
--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com

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