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Re: "Researchers" submitting Yad Vashem Pages of Testimony #holocaust #israel

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay
 

As a guide at Yad Vashem, and even more so as someone who has spent years researching my family in the Holocaust and has submitted about 40 Pages of Testimony for those whose fates I have been able to document, this information saddens me. I took a look at a couple of the pages submitted by this person and saw what Adam meant about there being no sources and no real information. Some of the pages I saw were for people who already had detailed pages written by relatives in the 1950s, so it is not even as if this was an attempt to list people who had not been commemorated. Of course no one can carefully research 14,000 people. I do not wish to speculate as to what this person’s motives may be. However, I will raise the matter with Yad Vashem. 

Just to answer your question, Adam, on how Yad Vashem categorizes researchers: The answer is, it doesn’t. Anyone can submit a Page of Testimony, and how the submitter defines himself or herself is up to them. “Researcher” simply seems to be a convenient category for people who aren’t relatives. It does not mean the person is a real researcher in a scientific sense. 

All the best,
Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,
Raanana, Israel.

Professional journalist, writer, editor, proofreader.
Professional translator (Hebrew/Yiddish to English).
Certified guide, Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial and Museum.
Email: miriambdh@...

Researching: BULWA/BULWAR (Rawa Mazowiecka, Lodz, Paris); FRENKIEL/FRENKEL, FERLIPTER/VERLIEBTER (Belz); KALUSZYNER, KUSMIERSKI, KASZKIET, KUZKA, JABLONKA, RZETELNY, WROBEL (Kaluszyn, Lodz); KRYSKA/KRYSZKA, CHABIELSKI/HABELSKI (Sieradz, Lodz); LICHTENSZTAJN (Kiernozia, Wyszogrod, Lodz); ROZENBERG (Przedborz, Lodz); WAKS (Nowe Miasto nad Pilica, Lodz); PELCMAN, STORCZ (Rawa Mazowiecka); SOBEL (Paris); SAPIR/SZAFIR (Wyszogrod).  


Re: Requesting gravestone photos Trumpeldor Cemetery, Tel Aviv-Yafo #israel

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay
 

Dear Beverley,

Photos of graves in Trumpeldor cemetery are already online in several websites. One of them, relatively easy to use, is Gravez. The home page is in English but you have to search for the name in Hebrew: https://gravez.me/

For those interested, the above website also has photos from a number of other cemeteries in Israel. However, probably the largest source of photos of graves in Israel, from the most cemeteries, is billiongraves.com. Once again, to find anything, the search must be done in Hebrew.

All the best,
Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,
Raanana, Israel.

Professional journalist, writer, editor, proofreader.
Professional translator (Hebrew/Yiddish to English).
Certified guide, Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial and Museum.
Email: miriambdh@...

Researching: BULWA/BULWAR (Rawa Mazowiecka, Lodz, Paris); FRENKIEL/FRENKEL, FERLIPTER/VERLIEBTER (Belz); KALUSZYNER, KUSMIERSKI, KASZKIET, KUZKA, JABLONKA, RZETELNY, WROBEL (Kaluszyn, Lodz); KRYSKA/KRYSZKA, CHABIELSKI/HABELSKI (Sieradz, Lodz); LICHTENSZTAJN (Kiernozia, Wyszogrod, Lodz); ROZENBERG (Przedborz, Lodz); WAKS (Nowe Miasto nad Pilica, Lodz); PELCMAN, STORCZ (Rawa Mazowiecka); SOBEL (Paris); SAPIR/SZAFIR (Wyszogrod).  


Russian Records ("Moscow Fund"/"Fonds de Moscou") in the French Archives/KALKOPF, Cutla #france #poland #russia

Michael McTeer <mcteer@...>
 

From the website geneanet.org, I found a link to record collection
apparently at a French Archives
(https://www.siv.archives-nationales.culture.gouv.fr)? I trying to
figure out what it is and where I may direct an inquiry to
obtain/request a copy.

Attached are a 1) screen shot of the index description
(https://en.geneanet.org/collaborative-indexes/view/69161/97692); 2)
title page of the document/collection (Russian) and 3) the page listing
KALKOPF, Cutla as the first entry with a number of "1507" and I guess
year of 1938
(https://www.siv.archives-nationales.culture.gouv.fr/siv/media/FRAN_IR_050044/c-2r752vvzy--d139io2xegop/FRAN_0139_11701_L)?
I am typical English only American so I am lost with the French and Russian.

Could this be my grandmother's baby sister, born 10 Oct 1912, Sosnowiec,
Poland?

Thanks,

Michael McTeer, Crowley, Texas, 13488

--
SEEKING:KALKOPF, FRYMORGEN, RESZKE, GRYNBAUM (Zarki, Bedzin, Sosnowiec, Poland); LENCZNER, GLIKSMAN, KOPLOWICZ, TRAJMAN (Szczekociny, Poland)


Re: Balti vs Balta... what is connection #bessarabia #ukraine

Yefim Kogan
 

Luc,  thank you.  It is good to know the roots of the names.
Couple of comments:  1) Balta in Podolia was in Russia Empire from end of 18 century to 1918, after that from 1918 to 1941 and from 1944 to 1991 was part of the Soviet Union, and now it is part of Ukraine.  Just want to let you know that Russia and Soviet Union are different countries.
Also Baltsi in Bessarabia were part of Moldova Principality  (Romania did not exist yet!) until 1812, From 1812-1918 part of Russian Empire, 1918-1940 and 1941-1944 - part of Kingdom of Romania, 1940-1941 and 1944-1991 part of Soviet Union.

One more thing about Beltsy, Bessarabia...  The "Uezd" or county Beltsy was a center, was named Yassy until late 19 century, even town Yassy was part of Moldova Principality and later Romania.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan


Bessarabia Research Group Update for month of November, 2020 #bessarabia #ukraine #records

Yefim Kogan
 

Dear researchers,

Here is an update for the Bessarabia Research Division projects for the month of November 2020. 

See also at What's New at Bessarabia website.

Bessarabian Databases. Updates in December of 2020:

 

      Our Bessarabia group is preparing a load of records to JewishGen. It will include following these or more:


    • Vital Records. Bendery and 21 shteitle in uezd - 3012 birth records for some years from 1874 to 1899; Soroki uezd for 11 shteitle - 395 birth records for 1909 and 1910; Beltsy and 12 shteitle in uezd - 770 records for 1911 and 1913. See the list of towns, shteitle

    • Jews in Public Life in Bessarabia. New addition is for 1916 and it includes 74 records for town of Kishinev.

    • Business Directory, 1897. Includes 1423 records from all Bessarabia.

    • All Kishinev, Business, 1916. Includes 608 records of business, small and large for Kishinev.

  • Revision Lists. There are already 10306 records completed. See progress...

Please let us know if you have any questions, ideas of how to make our Bessarabia Research group and Bessarabia website better.
 
Yefim Kogan and Inna Vayner
Bessarabia group Leaders and Coordinators


Re: Farhi family- Rhodes to Tangier #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Alain Farhi of the Farhi family website "L'Fleurs de Orient" can help you with all Farhi family questions.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
New Mexico
tracingthetribe@...
dardasht1@...


Re: Trouble finding relatives in Ellis Island Passenger Lists #records #names

Lee Jaffe
 

I just found my great-grandmother, traveling with two children, one of them my grandmother, despite some daunting handwriting and transcription problems, but only because of a lucky break.  The family surname is Zarov (Zharev or Joroff) but the bursar wrote Barov.  You can see that there was an attempt to correct it by hand with a Z written over the B.  But it was transcribed Barow in the database.  To add to the problem, the bursar's elaborate handwriting caused the transcriber to render my great-grandmother Dora into Gora and my grandmother's name Ida into Jola (the lowercase d became ol).  The lucky break was that the three were traveling with other Zarovs, whose names were transcribed correctly in the database.  It also helped that one member of the second family had the same given name as my grandmother's brother.  Thus the results for Zarov produced one likely entry, Abram Zarov.  When I looked at the manifest I was initially disappointed to see his mother identified as Feige,  Luckily, I still have sufficient peripheral vision to notice the other cluster of Z/Barovs nearby.  I don't know that any of the search modes (soundex. etc.) will help with mistakes in the first letters of a name or mitigate a radical change like Z to B.

A friend of mine who likes slogging through records was able to find one of my great-grandfathers' manifest record by brute force.  His name in Bialystok was Menachem Mendl Sztejnsapir but he changed it to Stein in the US.  Despite the fact we had purported ship name and arrival date from his naturalization petition, no amount of searching on likely variations of the two names could locate him.  My friend went page-by-page through manifests until she found a candidate – Mendel Sapir – who matched my great-grandfather on enough points to make him the likely target.  Again, I don't think there is a reliable way to conduct a database search that would retrieve a Sztejnsapir if you didn't already know or guess he was traveling as Sapir.  

Sometimes your only options are luck (and a touch of peripheral vision) or brute force labor.

Lee Jaffe
JOROFF / SZTEJNSAPIR


Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland virtual meeting on December 9, 2020 #jgs (Ohio, USA) #jgs-iajgs #events

Sylvia Fleck Abrams
 

Join the Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland for its
Annual Meeting 
followed by a Musical Program on
Wednesday, December 9, 2020
starting at 7:00 pm
Violinist Steven Greenman, 
Presenting
"Music for the Khasene: 
Traditional East European Jewish Wedding Music 
of our ancestors"
Mr. Greenman will describe and present the various klezmer music genres that were performed for the traditional East European Jewish wedding (khasene). He will explain each piece and its purpose then play the melodies on violin and sing some of the lines of the badkhn (af Yiddish), the master-of-ceremony at the traditional East European wedding. 
Described by the Washington Post as “particularly impressive” and “extraordinary” by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Steven Greenman is a consummate musical artist. He is a masterful violin soloist with symphony orchestras, a soulful performer of klezmer music, and a virtuoso performer of East European folk music. Steven’s influential recordings, klezmer compositions and dedicated master classes have been internationally acclaimed.

This program is offered on the Zoom meeting platform. It is free and open to the public, but space is limited.
Priority will be given to members of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland.

Preregistration is required and must be requested by 12:00 Noon on December 9th.
 
To preregister, send an email message with your name, email address, and complete mailing address, by clicking here: rsvp@... 
 
After you register, you will receive an email reply acknowledging receipt of your request. On December 8th, we will forward the meeting details, including a link and passcode to each registrant.

If you have 
difficulty registering, please contact webmaster@jgsclevlend.org

Submitted by,
Sylvia F. Abrams
Past President
on behalf
 of the Program Committee






Requesting gravestone photos Trumpeldor Cemetery, Tel Aviv-Yafo #israel

Beverley Davis
 

I have location information on two burials from 1903 and 1904 at Trumpeldor Cemetery, Tel Aviv-Yafo for which I would appreciate photos of gravestones. Please reply privately if you are able to help. Thank you.

Beverley Davis in Melbourne, Australia


Requesting gravestone photos Tel Aviv #israel

Beverley Davis
 

I have location information on two burials from 2005 and 2011 at Yarkon Cemetery, Tel-Aviv-Yafo for which I would appreciate photos of gravestones. Please reply privately if you are able to help. This couple had a daughter who died in 2015, when she was living in Hod Hasharon, but I do not know in which cemetery she was buried. Any advice gratefully received.

Beverley Davis in Melbourne, Australia


"Researchers" submitting Yad Vashem Pages of Testimony #holocaust #israel

Adam Turner
 

A probable relative of mine is listed on a Yad Vashem Page of Testimony submitted in 2007 by a "researcher" named Xavier Messalati. On further checking, it appears that Mr. Messalati has submitted almost 14,000 pages over the years - most of them with virtually no sourcing on the Pages that would aid in verifying the accuracy of the information. Frustrating, and not just for me - there is at least one other post from someone on this very list who had questions for the same person about his "research."

Does anyone know precisely what Yad Vashem means for Testimony to have come from a "researcher"? Do they have any procedures in place for vetting such testimony?

There is a specific scenario I am wondering about in this case: some Googling for the name "Xavier Messalati" suggests that a person by that name is (or recently was) a tour guide, especially for Francophone tour groups, in Jerusalem. So I am curious about the possibility that Mr. Messalati is not a "researcher" in the sense that folks on this list generally think of it - someone whose job, or serious hobby, is to pore through various sources in an attempt to answer specific research questions, and habitually submits Pages to Yad Vashem on people who he has incidentally found were Holocaust victims in the course of his research.

Instead, I wonder if the reason this "researcher" has submitted such a huge number of Pages of Testimony is actually just that he has contact with an enormous number of victims' friends and relatives in the course of his job as a tour guide, and when he takes his tour groups to Yad Vashem, he asks if anyone knows of any victims and submits Pages with zero corroborating info (possibly on computer terminals Yad Vashem has set up onsite to facilitate easier submission) on their behalf at that time.

My only experience with the layout of Yad Vashem was a brief visit as a tourist in 2015. Is the scenario I've guessed at plausible - that a tour group leader could potentially submit tons of Pages on behalf of his clients, and yet still be categorized by Yad Vashem as a "researcher"?

Adam Turner


Looing for information about my grandfather Nedobeyko Yakov Semenovich #ukraine

ucenenka@...
 

Hey.  I am looking for information about my grandfather Yakov Semenovich Nedobeyko.  According to him, he was born in Yekaterinoslav in 1906.  His mother's name is Berta Ruvilovna Becker.  He studied at a commercial school, worked at a factory.  Later he left for Stalingrad.  I will be grateful for help in information about my grandfather.
Best regards, Maxim Nedobeyko from Russia 


Re: Info on JACOBS from Wreschen, TRENCHER from Sawin #usa

Sherri Bobish
 


Fran,

Wreschen is known today as Września, Poland.
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-537153
Września, Poland
Alternate names: Września [Pol], Wreschen [Ger], Vreshne [Yid], Vřesno [Cz], Vzhes'nya

Sawin, Poland.
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-527389
Alternate names: Sawin [Pol], Savin [Yid, Rus]

Try searching https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/
for records of your family from those towns.  You can search by surname, or search by town alone to see what records are available.

Also, consider doing a soundex search on the surnames.  Names are often spelled in various ways.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Brooklyn Roumanian-American Congregation First Beth Tphilah (224-228 Hopkins St. Brooklyn) #usa

Sherri Bobish
 


Steve,

Try searching for info on Brooklyn Roumanian-American Congregation First Beth Tphilah synagogue, and also Rabbi Morris Schachter in old digitized NY (& other states) newspapers at this free site:
https://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
Try different spellings of the words, i.e. Roumanian / Romanian, etc.

Keep in mind that in earlier times the title of "Rabbi" may have been substituted with "Reverend" or "Rev"

Hope this is helpful,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Translation Request - possibly Lithuanian? # translation

mvayser@...
 

Maureen,
the text is all in Russian.
---
Voucher
Issued by Kovno governor 1905 May 17, #943 Russian meshchanin [urban dweller] of Kovno governorate Sima s.o. Isaak Vaynshtok with children: Abram 10 yo, Shifra 12 yo, and Mera 8 yo.  Marked with the stamp to leave the country. [the area for return to the country on the right is not stamped] 
---
The stamp has a date of June 4 1905.  The upper portion of the stamp says that it was stamped in Libava, which refers to the old name of Liepaya/Liepaja in Latvia, a major Russian Empire port at that time.

Mike Vayser


Re: Jewish man as Mayor of shtetl Teofipol Imperial Russia #russia #general

Sherri Bobish
 


Marilyn,

My ggf's shtetl of Ustrzyki Dolne did have a Jewish mayor, and he was mayor of the entire town.  This was in Galicia, in today's Poland, not in Russia though.

According to: 
https://uncoveringjewishheritage.com/category/jewish-culture/synagogues/page/2/
In the town of Dukla "the associate mayor used to be selected from among the Jewish population."

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Seeking descendants of Genowefa Korc #poland #warsaw

Sherri Bobish
 


George,

Both Genowefa Korc and Alexander Lorski are listed on page 157 of this USHMM document:
https://collections.ushmm.org/findingaids/RG-15.270_01_fnd_pl.pdf

And, both names also appear on this site:
http://muzeumkonstancina.pl/681_marychna__historia_jednej_z_najstarszych_willi_konstancina?page=2
You can use Google translate to read it in English.

Hope this info is helpful,

Sherri Bobish


Translation request for German script. #translation

Ellen Lukas Kahn
 

I have posted several old handwritten German postcards written by my grandparents about 100 years ago, and would appreciate having these transcribed within the next few days since they will only be online for a limited time period.  

Please advise me if you can also help me with other German documents, some of which are originals and others from archives.

My current documents are shown on ViewMate as VM88414, VM88415, VM88416, VM88417

Thank you,

Ellen Lukas Kahn


Re: headings in Alex Krakovsky files #translation

Chuck Weinstein
 

If you access the page using Google Chrome, it will translate the headers into passable English. Note, for example, "Revision List" translates out to fairy tales or auditory tales. 

Chuck Weinstein
JewishGen Ukraine Research Division Towns Director
chuck1@...  


Naturalization Records #usa #records

MarkWeinberg18@...
 

I am trying to find the naturalization petition and records for my grandfather Max Glasser.  From Ancestry, I have found an index card (#4982428)  indicating that it is petition number 291649 from the US District Court at Brooklyn (Eastern District of NY).  It was issued January 23, 1941.  I did find find the record at Family Search.

Thanks very much.

Mark Weinberg
Wilmington, DE

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