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survivors from Venusberg concentration camp who returned to Budapest #holocaust #hungary

emmabcole@...
 

I am still trying to find out what happened to Malvin Weisz/Weiss born Malvina Paneth in 1913 in Onod. It looks like she may have been in a DP camp in Homberg in 1946. She was in  Venusberg from January 1945 then to Mauthausen in April. Many of the women died on the way there. A lot of the Hungarian women who were sent to Venusberg (from Ravensbruck) were from Budapest, so maybe any survivors kept in touch and I could find out what happened to Malvin that way (she was married to my 2nd cousin Jeno Weisz who died in Ebensee in April 1945). So if anyone knows of anyone who survived from Venusberg, maybe I could get in touch with their family. Many thanks.

Emma Cole


Unknow Birth Place: Berezniki USSR? Radom, Poland ghettos? #poland #russia

evelynehaendel@...
 

A Holocaust Survivor still searching to find out where she was born.  In  Radom Poland  ghettos or possibly in Berezniki, USSR in May 1941. No records for her birth with JRI Poland. Her parents said they interned in both Radom ghettos and  told her she was given up for hiding with a Polish woman.  Long after her parents had died a distant cousin told her she never was hidden with a Polish woman and that they had fled to USSR. ITS documents show that mother  and child were reunited in DP camps in Berlin and their last address shown as coming from Berezniki USSR.  Two emails were sent to Berezniki city hall in Russian and English but no answer.
She desperately would like to fill  the gap of her first 5 year existence.
Any suggestions?  They would be very much appreciated..
Thank you!
Evelyne Haendel
The Hidden Child Foundation/ADL
evelynehaendel@...


Sephardic genealogy meeting - "My Heart is in the East..." #announcements #sephardic

David Mendoza
 

"My Heart is in the East..." Financial support for Eretz Israel from the
farthest West

Support for the Jewish community in 'Terra Santa' was one of the earliest
obligations that the Amsterdam and London Sephardic congregations took upon
themselves. Over the course of centuries, they placed great value in
fulfilling this charitable obligation. The money ensured that many Jews and
Jewish institutions could survive in Ottoman Palestine.

In this Sunday's World meeting, Ton Tielen shares his research in the
Amsterdam and London Sephardic archives. He will show how there were closer
ties between eastern and western Sephardic communities than is generally
known. The activities of these communities, followed by philanthropy of Sir
Moses Montefiore, a prominent member, was part of the foundations on which
the Zionist movement later built.

Time: Sunday Dec 6, 2020. 2pm NYC, 7pm London, 8pm Amsterdam/Paris, 9pm
Jerusalem.

You can join us live on YouTube at:
https://www.youtube.com/c/SephardicGenealogyAndHistory Recordings of past
meetings will soon be uploaded to the channel, so please subscribe to keep
up-to-date.

You are welcome to subscribe to the Sephardic World mailing list at:
https://mailchi.mp/sephardicgenealogy/ars1w3v45e All our meetings are free
to attend.

Best wishes,

David Mendoza and Ton Tielen


Re: "Researchers" submitting Yad Vashem Pages of Testimony #holocaust #israel

David Ziants
 

I do not have much experience in submitting online pages of testimony (POTs), but have done this once in my life, less than a year ago. Unfortunately, for various reasons most probably psychological, my grandparents on both sides of the family (all grew up in the UK)  did not do this although both my paternal grandparents had told me that they had lost cousins as well as it seems great uncles and great aunts. My maternal grandparents did not tell me anything and am not sure to what extent they were even aware of their more distant family, or even that my grandfather knew the fate of his half-brother that he told me he had and with whom they lost contact - that is my grandfather ever had any contact before the half-brother left for continent Western Europe, as my grandfather was born almost twenty years later.

From what I saw of the online forms, if one was not a relative or teacher or employer etc. of the murdered, then one would designate oneself as a researcher.

So, I feel your scenario is very plausible, although I think it would have been better for the tour guide to have written the name of the person who gave him the information and his/her relationship on the form, whether manual or online or at a terminal at Yad Vashem before this became available on the Internet. Yet, it might be for the same reason that my grandparents did not want to be "submitters", these tourists preferred to give it to do, to someone else whom they did not really know personally.

If this tour guide is still going strong, why not try and find his contact details (maybe online Israel telephone directories) and phone him?

David
PS The sole POT I submitted was for my grandfather's half brother Jacques GEWELBE. He already has a mention on Yad Vashem database from one of the Transport lists from France - but his age on this existing Yad Vashem transcription is completely out of proportion and not as on the original Transport list.

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David Ziants

Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel


Re: "Researchers" submitting Yad Vashem Pages of Testimony #holocaust #israel

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay
 

As a guide at Yad Vashem, and even more so as someone who has spent years researching my family in the Holocaust and has submitted about 40 Pages of Testimony for those whose fates I have been able to document, this information saddens me. I took a look at a couple of the pages submitted by this person and saw what Adam meant about there being no sources and no real information. Some of the pages I saw were for people who already had detailed pages written by relatives in the 1950s, so it is not even as if this was an attempt to list people who had not been commemorated. Of course no one can carefully research 14,000 people. I do not wish to speculate as to what this person’s motives may be. However, I will raise the matter with Yad Vashem. 

Just to answer your question, Adam, on how Yad Vashem categorizes researchers: The answer is, it doesn’t. Anyone can submit a Page of Testimony, and how the submitter defines himself or herself is up to them. “Researcher” simply seems to be a convenient category for people who aren’t relatives. It does not mean the person is a real researcher in a scientific sense. 

All the best,
Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,
Raanana, Israel.

Professional journalist, writer, editor, proofreader.
Professional translator (Hebrew/Yiddish to English).
Certified guide, Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial and Museum.
Email: miriambdh@...

Researching: BULWA/BULWAR (Rawa Mazowiecka, Lodz, Paris); FRENKIEL/FRENKEL, FERLIPTER/VERLIEBTER (Belz); KALUSZYNER, KUSMIERSKI, KASZKIET, KUZKA, JABLONKA, RZETELNY, WROBEL (Kaluszyn, Lodz); KRYSKA/KRYSZKA, CHABIELSKI/HABELSKI (Sieradz, Lodz); LICHTENSZTAJN (Kiernozia, Wyszogrod, Lodz); ROZENBERG (Przedborz, Lodz); WAKS (Nowe Miasto nad Pilica, Lodz); PELCMAN, STORCZ (Rawa Mazowiecka); SOBEL (Paris); SAPIR/SZAFIR (Wyszogrod).  


Re: Requesting gravestone photos Trumpeldor Cemetery, Tel Aviv-Yafo #israel

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay
 

Dear Beverley,

Photos of graves in Trumpeldor cemetery are already online in several websites. One of them, relatively easy to use, is Gravez. The home page is in English but you have to search for the name in Hebrew: https://gravez.me/

For those interested, the above website also has photos from a number of other cemeteries in Israel. However, probably the largest source of photos of graves in Israel, from the most cemeteries, is billiongraves.com. Once again, to find anything, the search must be done in Hebrew.

All the best,
Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,
Raanana, Israel.

Professional journalist, writer, editor, proofreader.
Professional translator (Hebrew/Yiddish to English).
Certified guide, Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial and Museum.
Email: miriambdh@...

Researching: BULWA/BULWAR (Rawa Mazowiecka, Lodz, Paris); FRENKIEL/FRENKEL, FERLIPTER/VERLIEBTER (Belz); KALUSZYNER, KUSMIERSKI, KASZKIET, KUZKA, JABLONKA, RZETELNY, WROBEL (Kaluszyn, Lodz); KRYSKA/KRYSZKA, CHABIELSKI/HABELSKI (Sieradz, Lodz); LICHTENSZTAJN (Kiernozia, Wyszogrod, Lodz); ROZENBERG (Przedborz, Lodz); WAKS (Nowe Miasto nad Pilica, Lodz); PELCMAN, STORCZ (Rawa Mazowiecka); SOBEL (Paris); SAPIR/SZAFIR (Wyszogrod).  


Russian Records ("Moscow Fund"/"Fonds de Moscou") in the French Archives/KALKOPF, Cutla #france #poland #russia

Michael McTeer
 

From the website geneanet.org, I found a link to record collection
apparently at a French Archives
(https://www.siv.archives-nationales.culture.gouv.fr)? I trying to
figure out what it is and where I may direct an inquiry to
obtain/request a copy.

Attached are a 1) screen shot of the index description
(https://en.geneanet.org/collaborative-indexes/view/69161/97692); 2)
title page of the document/collection (Russian) and 3) the page listing
KALKOPF, Cutla as the first entry with a number of "1507" and I guess
year of 1938
(https://www.siv.archives-nationales.culture.gouv.fr/siv/media/FRAN_IR_050044/c-2r752vvzy--d139io2xegop/FRAN_0139_11701_L)?
I am typical English only American so I am lost with the French and Russian.

Could this be my grandmother's baby sister, born 10 Oct 1912, Sosnowiec,
Poland?

Thanks,

Michael McTeer, Crowley, Texas, 13488

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SEEKING:KALKOPF, FRYMORGEN, RESZKE, GRYNBAUM (Zarki, Bedzin, Sosnowiec, Poland); LENCZNER, GLIKSMAN, KOPLOWICZ, TRAJMAN (Szczekociny, Poland)


Re: Balti vs Balta... what is connection #bessarabia #ukraine

Yefim Kogan
 

Luc,  thank you.  It is good to know the roots of the names.
Couple of comments:  1) Balta in Podolia was in Russia Empire from end of 18 century to 1918, after that from 1918 to 1941 and from 1944 to 1991 was part of the Soviet Union, and now it is part of Ukraine.  Just want to let you know that Russia and Soviet Union are different countries.
Also Baltsi in Bessarabia were part of Moldova Principality  (Romania did not exist yet!) until 1812, From 1812-1918 part of Russian Empire, 1918-1940 and 1941-1944 - part of Kingdom of Romania, 1940-1941 and 1944-1991 part of Soviet Union.

One more thing about Beltsy, Bessarabia...  The "Uezd" or county Beltsy was a center, was named Yassy until late 19 century, even town Yassy was part of Moldova Principality and later Romania.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan


Bessarabia Research Group Update for month of November, 2020 #bessarabia #ukraine #records

Yefim Kogan
 

Dear researchers,

Here is an update for the Bessarabia Research Division projects for the month of November 2020. 

See also at What's New at Bessarabia website.

Bessarabian Databases. Updates in December of 2020:

 

      Our Bessarabia group is preparing a load of records to JewishGen. It will include following these or more:


    • Vital Records. Bendery and 21 shteitle in uezd - 3012 birth records for some years from 1874 to 1899; Soroki uezd for 11 shteitle - 395 birth records for 1909 and 1910; Beltsy and 12 shteitle in uezd - 770 records for 1911 and 1913. See the list of towns, shteitle

    • Jews in Public Life in Bessarabia. New addition is for 1916 and it includes 74 records for town of Kishinev.

    • Business Directory, 1897. Includes 1423 records from all Bessarabia.

    • All Kishinev, Business, 1916. Includes 608 records of business, small and large for Kishinev.

  • Revision Lists. There are already 10306 records completed. See progress...

Please let us know if you have any questions, ideas of how to make our Bessarabia Research group and Bessarabia website better.
 
Yefim Kogan and Inna Vayner
Bessarabia group Leaders and Coordinators


Re: Farhi family- Rhodes to Tangier #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Alain Farhi of the Farhi family website "L'Fleurs de Orient" can help you with all Farhi family questions.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
New Mexico
tracingthetribe@...
dardasht1@...


Re: Trouble finding relatives in Ellis Island Passenger Lists #records #names

Lee Jaffe
 

I just found my great-grandmother, traveling with two children, one of them my grandmother, despite some daunting handwriting and transcription problems, but only because of a lucky break.  The family surname is Zarov (Zharev or Joroff) but the bursar wrote Barov.  You can see that there was an attempt to correct it by hand with a Z written over the B.  But it was transcribed Barow in the database.  To add to the problem, the bursar's elaborate handwriting caused the transcriber to render my great-grandmother Dora into Gora and my grandmother's name Ida into Jola (the lowercase d became ol).  The lucky break was that the three were traveling with other Zarovs, whose names were transcribed correctly in the database.  It also helped that one member of the second family had the same given name as my grandmother's brother.  Thus the results for Zarov produced one likely entry, Abram Zarov.  When I looked at the manifest I was initially disappointed to see his mother identified as Feige,  Luckily, I still have sufficient peripheral vision to notice the other cluster of Z/Barovs nearby.  I don't know that any of the search modes (soundex. etc.) will help with mistakes in the first letters of a name or mitigate a radical change like Z to B.

A friend of mine who likes slogging through records was able to find one of my great-grandfathers' manifest record by brute force.  His name in Bialystok was Menachem Mendl Sztejnsapir but he changed it to Stein in the US.  Despite the fact we had purported ship name and arrival date from his naturalization petition, no amount of searching on likely variations of the two names could locate him.  My friend went page-by-page through manifests until she found a candidate – Mendel Sapir – who matched my great-grandfather on enough points to make him the likely target.  Again, I don't think there is a reliable way to conduct a database search that would retrieve a Sztejnsapir if you didn't already know or guess he was traveling as Sapir.  

Sometimes your only options are luck (and a touch of peripheral vision) or brute force labor.

Lee Jaffe
JOROFF / SZTEJNSAPIR


Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland virtual meeting on December 9, 2020 #jgs (Ohio, USA) #jgs-iajgs #events

Sylvia Fleck Abrams
 

Join the Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland for its
Annual Meeting 
followed by a Musical Program on
Wednesday, December 9, 2020
starting at 7:00 pm
Violinist Steven Greenman, 
Presenting
"Music for the Khasene: 
Traditional East European Jewish Wedding Music 
of our ancestors"
Mr. Greenman will describe and present the various klezmer music genres that were performed for the traditional East European Jewish wedding (khasene). He will explain each piece and its purpose then play the melodies on violin and sing some of the lines of the badkhn (af Yiddish), the master-of-ceremony at the traditional East European wedding. 
Described by the Washington Post as “particularly impressive” and “extraordinary” by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Steven Greenman is a consummate musical artist. He is a masterful violin soloist with symphony orchestras, a soulful performer of klezmer music, and a virtuoso performer of East European folk music. Steven’s influential recordings, klezmer compositions and dedicated master classes have been internationally acclaimed.

This program is offered on the Zoom meeting platform. It is free and open to the public, but space is limited.
Priority will be given to members of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland.

Preregistration is required and must be requested by 12:00 Noon on December 9th.
 
To preregister, send an email message with your name, email address, and complete mailing address, by clicking here: rsvp@... 
 
After you register, you will receive an email reply acknowledging receipt of your request. On December 8th, we will forward the meeting details, including a link and passcode to each registrant.

If you have 
difficulty registering, please contact webmaster@jgsclevlend.org

Submitted by,
Sylvia F. Abrams
Past President
on behalf
 of the Program Committee






Requesting gravestone photos Trumpeldor Cemetery, Tel Aviv-Yafo #israel

Beverley Davis
 

I have location information on two burials from 1903 and 1904 at Trumpeldor Cemetery, Tel Aviv-Yafo for which I would appreciate photos of gravestones. Please reply privately if you are able to help. Thank you.

Beverley Davis in Melbourne, Australia


Requesting gravestone photos Tel Aviv #israel

Beverley Davis
 

I have location information on two burials from 2005 and 2011 at Yarkon Cemetery, Tel-Aviv-Yafo for which I would appreciate photos of gravestones. Please reply privately if you are able to help. This couple had a daughter who died in 2015, when she was living in Hod Hasharon, but I do not know in which cemetery she was buried. Any advice gratefully received.

Beverley Davis in Melbourne, Australia


"Researchers" submitting Yad Vashem Pages of Testimony #holocaust #israel

Adam Turner
 

A probable relative of mine is listed on a Yad Vashem Page of Testimony submitted in 2007 by a "researcher" named Xavier Messalati. On further checking, it appears that Mr. Messalati has submitted almost 14,000 pages over the years - most of them with virtually no sourcing on the Pages that would aid in verifying the accuracy of the information. Frustrating, and not just for me - there is at least one other post from someone on this very list who had questions for the same person about his "research."

Does anyone know precisely what Yad Vashem means for Testimony to have come from a "researcher"? Do they have any procedures in place for vetting such testimony?

There is a specific scenario I am wondering about in this case: some Googling for the name "Xavier Messalati" suggests that a person by that name is (or recently was) a tour guide, especially for Francophone tour groups, in Jerusalem. So I am curious about the possibility that Mr. Messalati is not a "researcher" in the sense that folks on this list generally think of it - someone whose job, or serious hobby, is to pore through various sources in an attempt to answer specific research questions, and habitually submits Pages to Yad Vashem on people who he has incidentally found were Holocaust victims in the course of his research.

Instead, I wonder if the reason this "researcher" has submitted such a huge number of Pages of Testimony is actually just that he has contact with an enormous number of victims' friends and relatives in the course of his job as a tour guide, and when he takes his tour groups to Yad Vashem, he asks if anyone knows of any victims and submits Pages with zero corroborating info (possibly on computer terminals Yad Vashem has set up onsite to facilitate easier submission) on their behalf at that time.

My only experience with the layout of Yad Vashem was a brief visit as a tourist in 2015. Is the scenario I've guessed at plausible - that a tour group leader could potentially submit tons of Pages on behalf of his clients, and yet still be categorized by Yad Vashem as a "researcher"?

Adam Turner


Looing for information about my grandfather Nedobeyko Yakov Semenovich #ukraine

ucenenka@...
 

Hey.  I am looking for information about my grandfather Yakov Semenovich Nedobeyko.  According to him, he was born in Yekaterinoslav in 1906.  His mother's name is Berta Ruvilovna Becker.  He studied at a commercial school, worked at a factory.  Later he left for Stalingrad.  I will be grateful for help in information about my grandfather.
Best regards, Maxim Nedobeyko from Russia 


Re: Info on JACOBS from Wreschen, TRENCHER from Sawin #usa

Sherri Bobish
 


Fran,

Wreschen is known today as Września, Poland.
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-537153
Września, Poland
Alternate names: Września [Pol], Wreschen [Ger], Vreshne [Yid], Vřesno [Cz], Vzhes'nya

Sawin, Poland.
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-527389
Alternate names: Sawin [Pol], Savin [Yid, Rus]

Try searching https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/
for records of your family from those towns.  You can search by surname, or search by town alone to see what records are available.

Also, consider doing a soundex search on the surnames.  Names are often spelled in various ways.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Brooklyn Roumanian-American Congregation First Beth Tphilah (224-228 Hopkins St. Brooklyn) #usa

Sherri Bobish
 


Steve,

Try searching for info on Brooklyn Roumanian-American Congregation First Beth Tphilah synagogue, and also Rabbi Morris Schachter in old digitized NY (& other states) newspapers at this free site:
https://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
Try different spellings of the words, i.e. Roumanian / Romanian, etc.

Keep in mind that in earlier times the title of "Rabbi" may have been substituted with "Reverend" or "Rev"

Hope this is helpful,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Translation Request - possibly Lithuanian? # translation

mvayser@...
 

Maureen,
the text is all in Russian.
---
Voucher
Issued by Kovno governor 1905 May 17, #943 Russian meshchanin [urban dweller] of Kovno governorate Sima s.o. Isaak Vaynshtok with children: Abram 10 yo, Shifra 12 yo, and Mera 8 yo.  Marked with the stamp to leave the country. [the area for return to the country on the right is not stamped] 
---
The stamp has a date of June 4 1905.  The upper portion of the stamp says that it was stamped in Libava, which refers to the old name of Liepaya/Liepaja in Latvia, a major Russian Empire port at that time.

Mike Vayser


Re: Jewish man as Mayor of shtetl Teofipol Imperial Russia #russia #general

Sherri Bobish
 


Marilyn,

My ggf's shtetl of Ustrzyki Dolne did have a Jewish mayor, and he was mayor of the entire town.  This was in Galicia, in today's Poland, not in Russia though.

According to: 
https://uncoveringjewishheritage.com/category/jewish-culture/synagogues/page/2/
In the town of Dukla "the associate mayor used to be selected from among the Jewish population."

Regards,

Sherri Bobish

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