Re: How did my great grandmother travel to Ireland from Kyiv? #ukraine #general


I am lucky enough to have travel documents for my family from 1923 for travelling from Zhitomir, Ukraine to Glasgow, Scotland. My family at that time was my grandfather (a widower) and his five children, 4 daughters and one son (my father).

They travelled by train from Zhitomir to Riga to obtain visas from the British Embassy in Riga. They would have had to change trains probably more than once due to the different rail gauges in the different countries. My understanding is that Latvia had a different rail gauge. In Riga they had to obtain visas to travel through Germany and Holland and to enter UK. From Holland they travelled by ferry from Hook of Holland to Harwich. From Harwich I assume that they travelled by train to Glasgow. I would love to know who helped them, who directed them, who translated for them.

The whole question of overland travel from the Pale to the West is very much undocumented, particularly in comparison to sea travel, when there were passenger lists.  Also there is an interesting "untold" story about the assistance that the travellers received on their journey. My aunts had stories about being given clothes in Holland. I tried to research "Immigrant Aid Societies" in Holland but without success.

Les Kelman
Toronto, Canada

Re: How did my great grandmother travel to Ireland from Kyiv? #ukraine #general

Dennis Flavell <dennisjobflavell@...>

A number of our GUREVITCH family came from the Kiev region c 1900 to England and some onwards to Canada.  By rail to Riga, Latvia, thence boat to Hull, rail to Liverpool via Leeds and Halifax.
From Liverpool to Ireland (Dublin or Belfast) could be your final route.
Dennis Flavell, Cambridgeshire.

Info on Leah/Luba Gertzovsky and possible son/ step son Jack Miller #belarus

Emma Field

Hello, my great grandfather was Solomon Gertzovsky.

I have some documents that someone translated for me - 


“Looks like draft documents for Zalman Movshovich Gertzovskiy. He was drafted 1898 age 24. He resided in shtetl Dyatlovo in Slonim region Grodno municipality.”

 He married Leah and they had 4 kids including my grandmother. 

One of their children died age 16 and in the burial record it mentions he is mourned by Solomon and Leba. Not Leah. But on their own burial records she is listed as Leah.

Not sure if this is intentional or a mistake. 

Im not sure exactly when my Solomon (Zalman) married Leah and if it was before emigrating to London.

Also I am confused why his surname is 
Movshovich Gertsovsky on the document but went by Gertsovsky only once in London? Can anyone explain?

I would love to find out more about Leah and if her name was also Luba and what her maiden name was and where she came from. Any ideas how I can find out?

One more mystery. I have photos of a Jack Miller who is a half brother to Simon Gertzovsky - the child who died age 16 and is buried in Edmonton, London.

I have no idea who he is and how he came to be half brothers. He is alot older than Simon by the photos. 

I assume if his surname is Miller he was perhaps a child of Leah?? 

I have two photos of Jack Miller in New York and then a photo of Jack with Simon in London. My family lived in London.

So how can I track down where Jack fits in, and who his parents were?

I did try looking on the US federal census for 1920 but i have no real idea which Jack Miller is listed.

Many thanks for any advice!
Emma Field great grand daughter of Solomon Gertzovsky, UK

Help with the given name "Kuna" (from Belarus) #belarus #names

David Gordon

My family has always said that my great-grandmother (born 1870 in Borisov) was named Kuna.  I had long doubted that that was her "real" given name but recently discovered one of her travel documents (she came to the US, through Latvia, in 1923) and the US consulate in Riga entered her name on a receipt as "Kouna."  I've poked around and have been unable to find out much about the name.  Can anyone tell me (1) whether it would be a Yiddish (or other) name and (2) whether it is likely to have been her given name?  Many thanks in advance.

David Gordon
Evanston, IL
HORWITZ (Lapichi and Smolevichi, Belarus); GIBALOVITCH (Borisov); GORDON (Butrimonys); HURWITZ (Gomel)

Re: Advanced question on family name adoption lists in Baden #germany #records


Hi all
I have also used the Berthold Rosenthal documents available online from the Leo Baeck Institute. I have also noticed this document available from Family Search which looks like it could be a copy of the microfilm held in the Generallandesarchiv Karlsruhe. David, could you confirm ?

Unfortunately the document is hard to use because of the way it is assembled. First, all left pages, then all right pages.

Also, I read on one of the old Jewish Gen forums that there were two documents : one in 1809 and one in 1815 and that Berthold Rosenthal only copied the 1809.

Best Regards
Daniel Mayer

Re: Looking for a researcher for records in Romania #bessarabia #records #romania


The Botosani research team has acquired and indexed all available records for Botosani and many other locations in the area. 
You can contact me privately, or join our group on Facebook:

Sorin Goldenberg

Re: Records from Ekaterinoslav, Dnipropetrovs'ka, Ukraine #ukraine

Gary Pokrassa

Jake - Alex Krakovsky has the following posted on his wiki page - here are the links:   

Ekaterinoslav County ed. ]

Ekaterinopolya Auditory tales of local peasants of Zvenigorod county 1811 280-2-254
Katerinopil The auditory fairy tale of the Jews of the town of Katerinopol. 1806 280-174d-226
Katerinopil Auditory tales of Jews of Zvenigorod county 1816 455-2-2
Katerinopol Metric book of the synagogue of the town of Katerinopol. 1854. Divorce  // CDIAC. F. 1166. Op. 1. Ref. 5.   1166-1-5
Katerinopol Auditory of the Jews of the town of Katerinopol. 1795, 1806  // DAKO. F. 280. Op. 174 (add). Ref. 236   280-174-236
Katerynopil A fairy tale of Jewish merchants and burghers of Zvenigorod district. 1858  // DAKO. F. 280. Op. 2. Ref. 1382 1858 280-2-1382
Katerynopil Additional auditory fairy tale of the burghers of the Jews of Uman, Zvenigorod, Chyhyryn and Cherkasy counties. 1818  // DAKO. F. 280. Op. 2. Ref. 381. 1818 280-2-381
Katerynopil Auditory tales of Christians and Jews of Zvenigorod county. 1834  // DAKO. F. 280. Op. 2. Ref. 572. 1834 280-2-572
Katerynopil, others Family lists of Jews of the Katerynopil Jewish Society and neighboring villages, subject to regular recruitment. 1862  // DAKO. F. 280. Op. 164. Ref. 1134 1862 280-164-1134
Katerynopol Census of Jews in the town of Katerynopol Zvenigorod county. 1875 // DAKO. F. 12. Op. 3. Ref. 612.   12-3-612
Katerynopol Census of Jews Katerynopil and Petrykivskys of Zvenigorod county. 1875 // DAKO. F. 12. Op. 3. Ref. 614.   12-3-614
Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division

Re: Help - would children on ships records be named? Or just the adults/adults travelling with them #records #hungary #russia #slovakia

Diane Jacobs

Of course, every person is listed.
Diane Jacobs

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Subject: [] Help - would children on ships records be named? Or just the adults/adults travelling with them #records #hungary #russia #slovakia

Would anybody know if ships records contained the children travelling with them too? 

thanks in advance
mandy molava
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: Records from Ekaterinoslav, Dnipropetrovs'ka, Ukraine #ukraine

Hilary Henkin

Several years ago, Miriam Weiner did extensive research into the archives of Eastern Europe, documenting what records were existant in the various archives.  Her database is publicly available at . She does include holdings for DNEPROPETROVSK.  The direct URL to that list is at .

It is my understanding that those records have not been scanned by the Family History Library (Mormons) and are not indexed, one must hire a researcher onsite.  (If I'm wrong, I'd love to know it!)

Records for some nearby cities may be within the FHL holdings - I found the 1887 Pavlograd marriage record for my great-grandparents.

As a side note, a few years ago, Ekaterinoslav > Dnepropetrovsk is now officially known as "Dnipro."

Hilary Henkin

Lublin, Poland:  KATZ;  JARMUSZ

On 12/11/2020 7:39 AM, Jake Jacobs wrote:
Looking for records of family members in Ekaterinoslav (now Dnipropetrovs'ka), Ukraine.  Does anyone know if there are any records from the 19th century, and where I might find them?  Thank you!

Diane Jacobs
Austin, Texas


Re: Looking for a researcher for records in Romania #bessarabia #records #romania

Gary Mokotoff

Contact Ladislau Gyemant at gyemantld@... He lives in Cluj. He is a professor and professional genealogical researcher.

Gary Mokotoff

new JRI website #general

Relly coleman

does anyone know when the new JRI website is going live?  I thought it was supposed to roll out in december.
relly coleman

Help - would children on ships records be named? Or just the adults/adults travelling with them #records #hungary #russia #slovakia


Would anybody know if ships records contained the children travelling with them too? 

thanks in advance
mandy molava

BAUMGARTEN, Fanny Vienna Cemetery. Photo needed #austria-czech

Mark A. Roseman <rosemanlawoffice@...>

Can anyone take photo of Fanny Baumgarten stone who was buried 18 Oct 1897 in Vienna central cemetery for payment of money?-
Section T1 Group: 50 Row 41 grave:64. Her maiden name was Feige or Fanny Indianer born Jaaroslaw, Poland.

Mark Roseman

Re: Jaroslaw Poland cemetery photographs #poland #photographs

Mark A. Roseman <rosemanlawoffice@...>

Any coonection to INDIANER, my family from Jaroslaw? Who can we get to invntory stones?-
Mark Roseman

Witnessing Holocaust History: From Generation To Generation - A New Global Project Partnership between WE ARE HERE! Perth, Australia, HAMEC Philadelphia and World ORT, London #education

Eli Rabinowitz

Participant - Herzlia School, Cape Town

Perth, Australia
Witnessing Holocaust History: From Generation To Generation
A new WE ARE HERE! project in partnership with HAMEC in Philadelphia and World ORT in London has been announced.
This global program will start with 19 ORT schools on 27 January 2021, and will continue with more schools for Yom Hashoah through 8/9 April 2021

Press Statement from HAMEC:


Holocaust Awareness Museum and Education Center

“Preserving History to Learn from the Past”







Yaakov and Sheila Riz z”l



Chuck Feldman


Vice President, 

Education & Curator

Donald Wittenberg 


Vice President,


Carol B. Irvine



Aaron Finestone, Esq.   



Iona Riz. Esq. 



Paula Weiss, Esq.





Abby F. Gilbert


Education Director

Geoffrey Quinn


Program Director

Dr. Ruth Almy


Program Assistant

Rycki Joy Freedman


Donor Services


Joe Chudzinski


Educator Emeritus

Hal Kessler













For Immediate Release 


The Holocaust Awareness Museum and Education Center, World ORT, and the WE ARE HERE! Foundation have partnered this year to provide an international experience of Holocaust education and remembrance to students around the world. This is an international project that commemorates the Holocaust and also provides opportunities for global Holocaust education, engaging the next generation of learners.

The Holocaust Awareness Museum and Education Center will provide Witness to History Survivor Testimony programs to World ORT, the global education network driven by Jewish values, where students will have the opportunity to engage directly with a Holocaust survivor and hear their stories. These students will also, through the WE ARE HERE! Foundation learn the importance and legacy of the Partisans' Song, and join together globally through sharing that music in their own languages. The Partisans’ Song, the song of hope, is the legacy of the partisans and the survivors.

Join us on January 27, 2021 for a special broadcast program which will showcase the testimony shared with the students, allow them to describe and share their experiences with each other, and connect globally through the harmony of learning experiences and the singing of the Partisans' Song.


Other information about partner organizations:

HAMEC: Our mission is to educate students and adults, personalizing the Holocaust so that they learn the consequences of racism, ethnic cleansing, and intolerance. The Holocaust was a watershed event, not only in the 20th century, but in the entire history of humanity. Our Educational Programs serve the five-county area of Greater Philadelphia and beyond. We offer a variety of educational programs, including eyewitness testimonies, personal interactions with eyewitnesses, two live theater performances, and docent-led museum tours.


WAH!: The objective of our WE ARE HERE! project is to promote Human Rights and Social Justice through the principle of choosing to be an Upstander. Our focus is on language, literature, music, film, the arts, and other cultural forms. We feature the Partisans’ song, long revered by Holocaust survivors, including to this day. The very words embrace the understanding of what it takes to be an Upstander, and not a bystander. The message is relevant today both in the school yard, the sports field, and on the internet, to counter discrimination and cyber bullying.


World ORT: ORT is a global education network driven by Jewish values. Since 1880, ORT has transformed lives through training and education. It now reaches 300,000 people a year in more than 30 countries. ORT provides a combination of high-level science and technology education with strengthened Jewish identity, bridging the gap between ability and opportunity.


For more information please contact HAMEC Program Director Dr. Ruth Almy ruth@... 215.464.4701 






Participating ORT Schools for the 27 January 2021 event are:

Country/ City Timezone School
Mexico/ Mexico City CST CIM-ORT
South Africa/ Cape Town SAST Herzlia
South Africa/Johannesburg SAST King David Victory Park High
Bulgaria/Sofia EEST Dimcho Debelianov Hebrew and English Language School
Netherlands/ Amsterdam CET JSG Maimonides
Spain/Madrid CET ORT Colegio Estrella Toledano
Russia/ St Petersburg MST ORT de Gunzburg Secondary School # 550 “Shorashim”
Russia/ Samara SST Samara ORT Secondary School# 42, “Gesher”
Russia/ Moscow MST ORT Tekhiya, Center of Education # 1311
Russia/Moscow MST ORT Moscow Technology School, Gymnasium # 1540
Russia/ Kazan MST ORT “Mishpahteinu” Secondary School # 12
Ukraine/ Chernivtsi EEST ORT Specialized School #41
Ukraine/ Kiev EEST Kiev ORT Educational Complex #141
Ukraine/ Odessa EEST ORT Secondary School # 94
Ukraine/ Zhaporozhie EEST ORT “Aleph” Jewish Gymnasium
Moldova/ Kishinev EEST ORT Technology Lyceum
Estonia/ Tallinn EEST ORT Tallinn Jewish School
Latvia/ Riga EEST ORT Network Jewish Secondary School
Lithuania/ Vilnius EEST Vilnius Sholom Aleichem ORT School


Bielski Reunion, Belarus

For more info about this post, contact Eli Rabinowitz eli@...

Re: Records from Ekaterinoslav, Dnipropetrovs'ka, Ukraine #ukraine


Hi Diane,

I found on google contact information:

Державний архів Дніпропетровської області

Адреса: вул. Михайла Грушевського, 89 (будівля 1), м. Днiпро, 49069 (адміністрація);
вул. Князя Ярослава Мудрого, 10 (будівля 2), м. Днiпро;
Тел.:  (056) 732-49-69 (приймальня), 732-49-68 (стіл довідок);
Факс: (056) 732-49-69
E-mail: dado@...archive_dp@...
Виконуюча обов'язки директора: Легостаєва Олена Олександрівна

It's in Ukrainian language, but e-mail in English.
Yes they have some record from 
the 19th century.  Try to contact them in English first.   When you will be not successful, contact me.  I'm fluent in Russian and can help, when it's possible.

Michael Ryabinky
Columbus, OH  

Re: Jacob Grossman, Yiddish Actor, Bronx Art Theater #usa

Bernard Flam

Hi from Paris,
I have been often in New York for my researches at :
Center for Jewish History
and I know they detain archives on Yiddish theater, in Europe and in America, specially New York.
Bernard Flam
Archives & History at Medem Center - Arbeter Ring (Bund / Workmen Circle of France)

Re: Jacob Grossman, Yiddish Actor, Bronx Art Theater #usa

Ethan Kent

Gail H. Marcus:

One of the librarians at the New York Public Library Dorot Jewish Division (who I got to know in the 10 years (before March of this year) that I regularly spent time reading material there) -- a lady named Amanda (she also goes by Miryem-Khaye) Seigel -- is a devoted Yiddishist and is interested in the history of Yiddish-language theater (and -- in fact -- has sung and acted in Yiddish); she might be able to track down information about the Bronx Art Theater (or know sources already).

The Dorot Jewish Division can be reached (librarians -- at least in September when I last sent email to them -- can be reached by email, even though the old NYPL main building is closed to the public) via dorotjewish@.... (I hope that it is OK to include that email address -- and the one I will be giving below).

(A page on Amanda/Miryem-Khaye Seigel -- with a link to her website -- may be found here: .

(I wish you Good Luck, too.)

Ethan Kent
New York City
ewkent@... .

A Latvian Chanukah Present - Day 3 #latvia

Nancy Siegel


The Latvian Jew Who Composed the Lyrics for “Hava Nagila”

by Ann Rabinowitz 


In memory of my great uncle Max Hillman, who was born in Bauska, Latvia, and who started me on my genealogical research, which is so long ago now, I am posting a piece about Latvia every day throughout Chanukah. The posts will be about people, events, and daily life. These posts can also be viewed on the JewishGen Blog at:


One of the new facts about Latvian Jews that I learned in my research in the Historical Jewish Press website was from the article in The Palestine Post, Sunday, August 21, 1938, Page 2, which featured the obit of Abraham Zvi Idelsohn. There were approximately 115-120 references to him on the site.


He was born on July 14,1882, in Feliksberg (now Jurkalne), Latvia, and died on August 14, 1938, in Johannesburg, South Africa. A talented ethnologist and musicologist, he was known as a modern Jewish music pioneer and one of the primary individuals who brought Oriental Jewish music to the notice of the Jewish and general public.


Idelsohn spent his formative years in Leipsig, Koenigsberg, and Berlin, and then went to Johannesburg, South Africa, before his productive stay in Palestine from 1905 to 1922. He then took a position at the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati, Ohio, in 1922 and then settled in America in 1932.


He felt that “the key to Jewish unity and survival lies in Jewish music” and he did his best to promote that music in his studies and creations. His most famous accomplishment was the lyrics for “Hava Nagila” which was published in 1922. This song has become the favorite of the modern Jewish music repertoire and is known the world over. One can even hear it sung at athletic events such as England’s Tottenham Hotspurs games. 


In addition to “Hava Nagila”, it was Idelsohn, and his compatriot Eduard Birnbaum, who identified the melody of Chanukah’s traditional prayer, “Ma-oz Tzur”, as being related to a group of Protestant chorales and a German soldiers’ song.


To learn more details about Idelsohn and his career, check out the following site:


Nancy Siegel
Director of Communications
(San Francisco, California)

Re: Looking for a researcher for records in Romania #bessarabia #records #romania

Marcia Segal

I have done some searching, with no luck. I may not have tried hard enough--I seem to get undone when it comes to the difference between the way I know a name is pronounced, and the way it's spelled. This may simply be a matter of getting better with experience. But I did hope there would be information not in databases available to researchers like JewishGen.

Then there's the mixed messages I've received regarding one person who was said to be from Harlau but also said she was from Betashan (Botosani, I believe). She left Romania as a child, with her family, in 1888. Some of her aunts and uncles emigrated to Canada, Israel, or not at all.

Marcia Segal

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