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Viewmate Translation Request - Polish #poland #ukraine #translation

evagjuni@...
 


Re: Paternal grandparents Ancestral Town in (?) Russia #russia

stillreads@...
 

Hello,

Did any of your Portnoj/Portnoy ancestors marry Guinzbergs/Ginsburg family from Chernigov gubernia? It appears there was definitely several marriages between them in my family.

Susan Ginsburg Brundage
researching Ginsburg/Portnoy/Malatzky/Kvas/Mindlin families


Re: How they traveled #romania #russia #usa

Michele Lock
 

I’m responding to a couple of posts above –

 

The Fusgeyers – There was an article written on the Jewish Telegraphic website back in 2005, that says the these travelers walked across Romania, rather than walking clear across Europe. They were stopped at the Austro-Hungarian border. They were able to proceed by train and then by ship because Jewish communities in Austria, Hungary and Germany paid for their tickets, apparently so the travelers would not remain in those countries (and cause embarrassment).

 

https://www.jta.org/2005/02/06/lifestyle/book-tells-of-wandering-romanian-jews

 

How immigrants got their ship/rail tickets – Temple University has images of the ticket purchase records of the Blitzstein Immigrant Bank in Philadelphia. I found my greatgrandfather’s purchase of tickets for his wife and children (including my then 3 year old grandfather). The family’s address in Lithuania is shown, so that they could receive their tickets, most likely from a local agent near their town in Lithuania. For persons who bought their own tickets, they also would have gone to a local agent. It’s my understanding that these were combined rail/ship tickets. The Blitzstein ledgers show who paid for the ticket, the passenger’s name and address in the old country, the name of the ship, the port where the ship was leaving from, and any intermediate ports (Liverpool, etc.). Gives a good snapshot of the various routes that immigrants took to come to the US.

 

https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/search/collection/p16002coll16

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Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon in Zagare/Joniskis, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Minsk gub., Belarus


Avigdor ENDE-Galicia and Jerusalem #israel #names #galicia

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Does anyone know of a connection between ENDE family , a well known
Jerusalem family and an EISEN family who lived in Zlochew, Poland and
then NYC.

TIA

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Changing occupations on a ship passenger list #general

Michele Lock
 

I have the ship passenger list for my maternal great great grandparents Jossel and Michle Leibman and two of their daughters, arriving in July 1906 on the SS Westernland in Philadelphia. On the page that includes them, I noticed that 12 out of the 30 passengers had their occupations changed after the manifest had first been filled out.

The Viewmate image of the entire page is available at: 
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89158

A snippet of the page is below - 


Some of the changes don't make much sense to me - changing 'Laborer' to 'Druggist', 'Laborer' to 'Capmaker', etc. Almost all the listings for 'Domestic' (meaning a maid) were changed to 'Tailoress'. I checked other pages in the manifest, and this is the only one that has so many changes. By looking at the handwriting, the person who made the changes was not the original person who filled out the manifest.

Does anyone know what the reason(s) for so many changes might be? My impression had been that passengers were not re-interviewed about their occupation or any other details, once they were on the ship. I also assume that once they had arrived, the US immigration officials would have asked them what their occupations were.

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Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon in Zagare/Joniskis, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Minsk gub., Belarus


ViewMate translation request - Polish #poland #translation

Alex Guri
 

Hello,

I've posted vital records in Polish for which I'd appreciate a translation.
They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88893
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88965
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89056
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89057
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89059

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much,
Alex Guri


Re: help deciphering name #names #translation

Peter Cohen
 

Might says Chaweyleh (Chavaleh)
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Peter Cohen
California


Question about funding Holocaust Documentaries #holocaust

Nehama and Moshe Kutten
 

My cousin who lives in  Argentina is the son of my uncle who was born and grew up in Brody,. Zeev Was born in a Nazi camp in Rhodes after his parents were captured by the Italian Fascist navy while escaping from Europe. Their ship Pentcho ship, which left Brattislava on May 1940, was wrecked off Mytilene Island in the Aegean sea. Zeev’s daughter who is a movie director is working now on a documentary (in Spanish) about her father and grandparents. Do you know about any institutions who help in funding that type of Projects?. I have a brochure that describes the project and would be happy to send it to anybody who can help.

 

Moshe Kutten

Coatesville, PA

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: How they traveled #romania #russia #usa

Lee Jaffe
 

I've been looking for sources that can elaborate on the journey, including the legal/illegal and financial aspects involved.  I have little pieces of the story but I'm intrigued by how all the moving parts fit together to enable someone living in a small rural town – perhaps speaking only Yiddish, maybe a minor, without official permission to travel or leave the Empire – could travel across several frontiers, a journey of days, arriving at a port city, negotiate boarding a steamship, with all the fiscal and legal transactions involved.  

There is an episode in Sholem Aleichem's Motl, the Cantor's Son in which the family travels to America.   It involves travel by wagon, being smuggled across the frontier and escorted to lodging before being put on a train to a port city.  There were obviously "agents" who took care of arrangements organized in advance, but there are no clues about how those were managed.

My grandfather told me he was smuggled across the Russian border from his town in Poland, near Bialystok, and put on a train to Antwerp.  The train was delayed by the Germans and he arrived too late for his passage and had to wait in Antwerp for a week for the next ship.  According to him, he was 13, accompanying a younger cousin, spoke Yiddish only.  He didn't say (and I failed to ask) how he got across Poland to the frontier, who smuggled him across the border, who put him on the train, who arranged for lodging in Antwerp, and how did he pay for it, and who negotiated his passage when he missed the first boat.  I know that there was a system where family in the US could deposit money in a bank in order to pay for the crossing but I'd like to know more about the whole scheme, step-by-step. 

I have two Russian passports for my great-grandparents (other side of the family).  The one for my great-grandfather has many pages torn out (coupons?) and only the barest information remains.  But my great-grandmother's passport includes three pages with handwritten information, one of which is in French: "The bearer ... the wife of a citizen of Mohilev, with 3 children ...has permission to board."  I assume that this was their official authorization to leave the Empire.  It is dated a week before I find her on a ship's manifest with the 3 children.  How did someone get such a passport?  Were they common?  I assume that those who traveled by wagon and were smuggled across were those without passports.  Was there a completely different system in place for those traveling legally and illegally.  Or, were the arrangements the same for everyone once they crossed the frontier?   I note that the name on the manifest was different than the one on the passport, so that was not the basis for the travel arrangements outside of Russia.  

I'd love to see a point-by-point narrative of how such a fraught journey was arranged and managed.  Any suggestions?

Lee Jaffe 
JAFFE/STEIN/SZTEJNSAPIR/JOROFF/ZAROV/BRAUN/WEINBLATT/SCHWARTZ/SCHWARZMAN/LUDWINOWSKA



#belarus #general #belarus #general

milafaulk53@...
 

How to get an information about marriage certificate without proof of your relationship in Belarus


looking for my father roots Kats, #belarus #holocaust

milafaulk53@...
 

Looking for my father Kats Iogan or Ivan, I last  saw him in 1958,  He would have been born between1910 and1935 His father's name was probably David. I believe my father's parents and siblings were murdered in the holocaust, but, my father survived and stayed with his uncle after war in Polotsk, Belarus probably till1958. I very much would like to learn about my father live and view his grave site. I also would like to learn about my relatives on his side.

Mila Faulk
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Link - Rootstech conference online if interested? Examples of talks below #announcements #general

mandy.molava@...
 

If anyone have ever been to or interested in Rootstech they will be doing online talks rather than the conference this year, just as a few examples below of the classes, that I'll be tuning in to and researching myself:

. Finding Jewish relatives in Russian Empire records
. Secrets to researching Jewish Genealogy revealed
. Sephardic Resources - whats new for 2021

Good luck with your searches
MandyMolava


Re: Maps of Galicia and bukovina #galicia

Jay Osborn
 

Ellen Trencher wrote:

"i am looking for detailed maps of bukovina and Galicia between 1890 and 1925.  

are there any available online?"

There is a large collection of historical maps of Galicia and Bukovina on the Map Room website of Gesher Galicia:

https://maps.geshergalicia.org/

...including many in the range of years you specified. The first section of the Map Room displays regional maps at three levels of scale; these maps are listed chronologically from 1775 to 1939. The second section displays cadastral maps of Galician towns – property tax maps at very high scale, showing individual houses and other buildings plus plots of land. The third section displays general and street maps, like conventional city maps produced today, primarily of large cities in Galicia and Bukovina, in alphabetical order. The last section displays unusual historical "special" maps of Galicia and Bukovina, a group of thematic maps on topics such as the ethnic mix of towns and regions, climate, geology, and more.

In the regional maps section (top of the page), some maps show rail lines, telephone and telegraph lines, roads, and rivers – all forms of communication in past times.

Many of the regional maps are available for free download on websites of the digital libraries of Poland and other archives; where a good source is available, we link to it in the map description. Other sources for online maps, many of which can be downloaded for free, are listed on a links page attached to the Map Room website:

https://maps.geshergalicia.org/links/

Jay Osborn
Gesher Galicia Digital Maps Manager
Lviv, Ukraine


Two rabbis from Potok Zloty-1834 #poland

Milton Koch
 

I am looking for the family of a father and son who were both rabbis, and Cohanim, in Potok Zloty. There is a tombstone of one of them dating to 1834.
Please let me know if this might be in your family.
Thanks,
MIlton Koch


Nograd Jewish Community and Shoah Victims #hungary #holocaust #slovakia

Vivian Kahn
 

Andras Hirschler found this resource, which may be useful to those who had family from Nograd megye, Hungary, which was in the northern part of pre-Trianon Hungary just north of Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun.  The area is now divided between Hungary and Slovakia. Balassagyarmat was the county seat and Losonc, now Lucenec, Slovakia, was one of the largest cities. (See attached Goncy map from about 1910.)
 
The article includes a short history of the Jewish community in each place in the county and a list of names and family members of Holocaust victims.
 
JewishGen Hungarian Research Director

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Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, California
Researching families including:
BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/GROSZ. Avas Ujvaros, Hungary/Orasu Nou, Romania
KAHAN/JOSIPOVITS/DUB, Sziget, Kabolacsarda, Nagyvarad, Hungary/Sighet, Ciarda, Oradea, Romania
KOHN/Zbegnyo/ Zbehnov, Tarnoka/Trnavka, Slovakia; Cleveland  LEFKOVITS/Kolbasa/Brezina, Slovakia
MOSKOVITS/Honkocz, Szobranc, Osztro, Kassa, Hungary/Chonkovce, Sobrance, Ostrov, Kosice, Slov., Nyiregyhaza, Hungary
ELOVITS/Hornya, Hungary/Horna, Slovakia
NEUMANN/Szeretva, Kereszt, Nagymihaly, Miskolc, Hung./Sobrance, Kristy, Stretavka, Michalovce, Slov. 
POLACSEK/Hunfalu, Hungary/Huncovce, Slovakia
SPITZ/Nikolsburg/Mikulov, Prosnitz/Prostejov, Moravia/Czech Republic; Kismarton/Eisenstadt, Hungary/Austria; Hunfalu,Hungary//Huncovce, Slovakia


Re: Sonia nee Greenberg Penn Helfand's brother??? #israel #lithuania #names

Sharon Ann Dror
 

I was just told that Mosche's first wife's name is MIRIAM. No last name known. Second wife is Tauva Mesimik, not Miriam.

Thanks

Sharon Ann Dror
SADror@...


Re: public tree assistance #general

Scott
 

I don't have an Ancestry.com membership, but did have my DNA done through them. I have been able to make the connection via the Library posting, and the DNA match of the tree in question. 

I was then able to contact the member through the DNA match. Usually with a friendly note saying. "I see you've added my entire family to your tree, let's see if we can find a connection". As these are generally active members, I have gotten responses each time. As opposed to the much closer DNA matches who ignore the messages. 

One of the two times this happened, I was actually able to make a legitimate connection. The other times, it was an endogamous situation, who was putting up trees with similar names and hoping to connect later.  

Scott P. Dann
Beachwood, OH


ERRATUM: Searching info on Myriam Karesh / Alpern - Emigrated from Triczianne to Palestine circa 1907 #poland #israel

David Askienazy
 

I did a slight mistake in my previous message. 
Here is the correct message I want to post
Thank you
 
 
Myriam (Marie) was my grandfather’s grandmother. 

All the info I got on her comes from family sources (oral and written memoirs).

Myriam emigrated from Triczianne (Poland) to Palestine, circa 1907. I estimate she was in her 50’s ou 60’s. 

In Triczianne, she was the wife of Reb Zalmen (Solomon) Alpern. After he died, she moved to Palestine. 
 
Myriam was the daughter of William / Charles Karesh (there was a large community of Karesh in Triczianne, and many have emigrated to South Carolina.) 
 
In Palestine, depending on my sources (memoirs written by members of the family)
- She married Reb KLOSBERG, circa 1913, and his buried in the Mount of Olives
- She married the "chief rabbi of Palestine » (but I’m not sure this status existed), and the two of them are buried "in the territory which is now part of Jordan » (written in 1991)
 
Myriam emigrated to Palestine with her son Shepsel Alpern. Shepsel then moved and settled in America. I’m in touch with some of his descendants. 
 
I contacted the Mount of Olives. They found no trace of Myriam. 
 
If any of this sounds familiar to you, it would be of great help
 
David Askienazy 
France 


Re: New DNA-Based Study of Jewish Pre-History #dna #israel #announcements #general

beverlysteinman
 


Just wondering if this interesting research paper was peer reviewed?
And what type of organization is academia.edu?
     
            Bev Steinman


Talk on Sir Moses Montefiore #events #announcements

David Mendoza
 

A pre-announcement! The speaker at Sephardic World next Sunday (27 December,
2pm NYC, 7pm London) is Abigail Green, author of the excellent biography of
Sir Moses Montefiore, perhaps the most significant Jew of the 19th Century.
There is no charge for attending the meeting.

If you are not already on the mailing list, you are welcome to join at:
https://mailchi.mp/sephardicgenealogy/ars1w3v45e

Best wishes,

David Mendoza and Ton Tielen
Sephardic World

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