Descendants of Twins #general

Joe Bratspis


Descendants of Twins

My great grandfather had two sisters who were twins. Should I expect
to find twins among the descendants of the twins? Among the
descendants of my great grandfather?

Ivyland, Pa. USA

TANENBAUM; Grodzisko
KRYM; Telz
BLAT; Shavil

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Re: Help - Birth record and church found on the border of two countries? #hungary #poland #slovakia



Re: Help - Birth record and church found on the border of two countries? #hungary #poland #slovakia



Help Reading Ships Manifest #russia #poland

Jim Peskin

Does anyone recognize the name of this town where one of my relatives came from. Karschan is what I think it it, but in putting it into the jewishgen database of towns, I got no answers. Can anyone help decipher the name of this town? 

This excerpt is from a voyage of the Zeeland, leaving Antwerp bound for New York in 1913.

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Help Dusseldorf event in 1985 aprox #germany #events


i trying to find some info about a event in 1985  , the city of dusseldorf invited my grandmother and other citizens who emigrated because of the Nazi persecution, it was in august 1985 approximately i trying to find info about this event

Re: Changing occupations on a ship passenger list #general


I agree with David, these changes were likely made aboard the ship by the purser or other officer.  The occupation information in particular was made more specific.  Instead of simply "laborer" or "domestic" they became cap maker or tailoress.  Rather than unskilled labor, for which there was often an oversupply in the US, these skilled trades made them less likely to appear as likely public charges.

Why these corrections are only on one page may result from, as David said, the ticket selling process.  People from the same locality were to be listed together.  People from the same locality likely purchased their tickets from the same agent.  If the agent did not provide complete information that would show up in a block on the page or pages listing those people.

Marian Smith

Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

I think it depends on the longest segment size in GEDMatch. There are 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th cousins who have a long (50 cMs) strand and we were able to figure things out. If the longest segment is less than 20 or 30 cMs, I don't think you will find the connection.
Rhonda Rubin Post
Silver Spring, Maryland

Re: New DNA-Based Study of Jewish Pre-History #dna #israel #announcements #general


My guess is that it's a way to AVOID peer review. 

Their first screen says "Academia is the easiest way to share papers with millions of people across the world for free. A study published in PLOS ONE found that papers uploaded to Academia receive a 69% boost in citations over 5 years."

So kind of the academic equivalent of self-publishing?

Robert Roth

Re: 1899 Psychiatric Diagnosis #records #usa


Syphilis was a known cause of dementia in those days, so if that were the diagnosis they might have said so, but if the institution just "acquired" the victim in a late stage there might not have been a known history so they might use the catch-all "terminal dementia". 

But many, many other conditions are also possible.  Someone on my tree had a record of off-and-on mental illness and died in an asylum; I suspect what he had was mercury poisoning from his career as a Dagerrotypist. They had the same exposure as the "mad hatters".  Then there were Van Gogh and others who worked with lead pigments. The list goes on.

Robert Roth M.D.

Re: How they traveled #romania #russia #usa

Jorge Sexer

Having or not having a Russian passport made all the difference. With a passport you could board a train or a boat to leave the Empire. Without, your only choice was to get smuggled across the German or Austrian frontier.


A passport was expensive and impossible to obtain if someone in the family was due his military service (in that case you had to pay a huge fine). Crossing the frontier illegally was not free either : you had to hire a "tour guide", who in his turn bribed the frontier guards. Some witnesses say that it was dangerous, other describe it as a routine affair.


Entering Germany the legal way was not necessarily easy either : you had to show a passenger ticket (preferrably by a German shipping company) and a sum of money to make sure that you wouldn’t be denied entry to the U.S. The Germans wanted migrants to pass swiftly through their country and leave as soon as possible. The transport of migrants was a profitable business for the German companies and state.

Jorge Sexer   jas2608@...

Re: New DNA-Based Study of Jewish Pre-History #dna #israel #announcements #general

krausj2@... is not itself an "organization." It's a forum in which academics can share publications that have been, usually, peer-reviewed elsewhere. 

It's a good question about whether and how this paper was peer-reviewed.
Joe Kraus

Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna


Yes.  On Ancestry I have been able identify almost every DNA match with over 100 cM and fewer than 10 segments.

Chuck Reback
Spartanburg, SC

Mościska / Rudniki relatives records advice? #austria-czech #ukraine


Hello!  My ancestors with last name Dizian/Dician/Ditzian etc and other similar spellings are from Rudniki (a section of northern Mościska, which was part of Austria near Lviv) and perhaps Medyki (also next to Mościska).   I have exhaustively searched every combination of spelling in JRI Poland, Gesher Galicia, Ellis Island, Family Search and Ancestry and have found a bunch of things but I have a bunch of gaps.  My relatives came to America between 1899-1903 and I have those records but I am still trying to find certain records from Mościska area that don’t already show up on  JRI Poland, Gesher Galicia. 

Specifically, I would love to find the birth record of my great great grandfather Selig/Zelig/Selik Dizian (or similar spelling).  I did find an “Abraham Selig Dizian” (born 1845, which was about the right time) but his son was later named Abraham Dizian which seems unusual because I know Selig was alive for many more years.  Perhaps I don’t know about Jewish traditions back then, but it seems unlikely that he would go by his middle name Selig and later name his son Abraham.

I would also love to find marriage records for Selig Dizian and Malke Rettig and a death record for Selig Dizian, as I cannot find any evidence of whether he came to the America (his children all did and his wife did between 1899-1903, all separately).  I know for sure that Selig had died by 1908.

Does anyone know of other good resources that would find additional clues or documents not included on the above resources? 

Does anyone know if additional non-searchable records exist and how to access them?

Thanks so much!!!

Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna


 Ancestry - is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives and Jewish on both sides of the families?
Was told not to bother with anything below 4th in 4th Cousin by speaker in a local talk, however told also by another researcher that the DNA is magnified once it gets past 2nd cousin? I am on Ancestry, My Heritage and GEDmatch. (love the GEDmatch tools) to compare and do the wider searches.

Thanks in advance
Mandy Molava

KGB Archives #records #russia #ukraine

Jan Meisels Allen





The Security Service of Ukraine or SBU is Ukraine's law-enforcement authority and main government security agency in the areas of counterintelligence activity and combating terrorism. Surprisingly, this archive is where Russia’s KGB materials are stored. By a 1991 decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet, the KGB materials were to be transferred to the State Archives which included one and a half million “filtration cases” against people who were forcibly brought to Germany and other countries of the Axis coalition during World War II. However, the transfer of the remaining funds to the KGB was prevented by the lack of space in state archives. Therefore, they remained in the Security Service of Ukraine, which received from Parliament material and technical support of the Soviet Special Service, including the premises where the KGB archives were kept.


The records include the regulatory and administrative documents of the Cheka-KGB, documents of secret and unclassified office work, annual work plans, reports and the like. And indeed political cases: arrest warrants and search warrants, questionnaires of the arrested, search logs, fingerprints, photos of the arrested, descriptions of the confiscated property, interrogation records of the defendants and witnesses, indictments, documents relating to stay in forced labor camps, letters, appeals, complaints of the defendant and his relatives, conclusions on the lack of rehabilitation reasons or a resolution on rehabilitation.


The affairs of the KGB were and are kept by the SBU  (,  documents of the NKVD — the Ministry of the Interior ( only in Ukrainian and records of the secret services of Soviet Ukraine documents of the NKVD


Many documents were destroyed after the Stasi Archives in East Berlin were seized in 1989, which changed the period of time for storage.


To learn how to work with the KGB Archives ad read more see:


The article gives a list of online archives and databases with links to them. They are in Ukrainian. Use of a translation system such as Google translate and may be of assistance.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee



Re: Reading the Translations of the Jewishgen Yizkor Books #yizkorbooks


I wanted a translation of the Troki Yizkor book.  (Only the table of contents and the lists of martyrs were on JewishGen originally.)  JewishGen acted as middleman.  I made charitable contributions to JewishGen and they paid the translator I had found.  The Troki book is now totally online.    It was well worth the effort.
Fred Millner
Trenton, NJ

Re: Changing occupations on a ship passenger list #general

David Oseas


The information on the passenger list was gathered & recorded initially by the shipping company at the ticket sales office.

One of the ship's officers confirmed the information with the passengers as they boarded (or perhaps shortly afterward). 

It appears that the person at the ticket office did not follow standard practice in several columns:  for example, only the town of residence was recorded in column #10, and not the country, which was added in the same handwriting as the occupation corrections.  The person making the corrections also added family relationships in column #2.  As you noted, the occupations were originally recorded as generic terms (domestic, laborer) rather than specific fields of work (capmaker, tailor).

My guess is that the person at the ticket office was inexperienced & that the ship's officer made the corrections to adhere to the policies of the shipping company.

David Oseas

HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York;  KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
Hungary > New York;  OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York;  SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel;  WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles

Family Connections: Lviv - Vienna #austria-czech #ukraine


Recently, I posted a query regarding my HEILPERN family & its extended family. Looking at old photos with & without id, and recalling names my father mentioned being, "cousins of some sort."  I hope to connect these faces/names to my family tree, but there are BIG gaps. I posted 3 photos on View Mate about a week ago, #88955-57 hoping to id the men shown.  The names I have in mind would connect on my father's maternal line, and from what I know so far, they would likely be in these families: STROH, PINELES & RAPPAPORT, (and maybe POLTURAK). My grandmother was, Ernestine Lea Korpus, born 1881, in Lemberg/Lwow/Lviv. Most of these families were also in that area, and eventually many of them ended up in Wien/Vienna & a lot of them were in the medical field.  Any suggestions on finding more siblings & married-in people & resulting children connected to these names; any possible relations along the family names mentioned here?  
Leah Heilpern Snider
Silverdale, Washington/ USA

Viewmate Translation Request - Polish #poland #ukraine #translation


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