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Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

sharon yampell
 

I have to somewhat disagree with your statement about the person not appearing on a sibling’s list , not being related…  DNA is not evenly distributed so sometimes a sibling may or may not get the same DNA or DNA from the same person.  I have found many family members who I  know I am related to and have shared DNA with and then there are others that should be matches to, because they match other family members on the list, but they don’t…

 

Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, New Jersey

 

From: Dahn Cukier via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 3:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

 

An opinion.

 

Try to have more than one known relative to submit DNA. Best a sibling.

If a person is your 3rd cousin, but does not appear in your sibling list,

they are probably not relatives.

 

But if a person appears in both lists, they may very well be related.

 

Israel does not permit home DNA test for genealogy, but I found the

children of my mother's second cousin in the north by studying

pages at Yad VeShem. It turned  out that they are interest and tracing

genealogy for years. Neither of us had any idea we exist, DNA

would have found us earlier and showed that we are related.

 

My grandfather stayed with a family in London after WWI, how

are we related to this family was found a couple of years ago

using DNA result communications tools.

 

Dahn Cukier

 

 

When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas
(Gunsmoke)

 

 

On Tuesday, December 22, 2020, 10:46:56 AM GMT+2, mandy.molava via groups.jewishgen.org <mandy.molava=aol.com@...> wrote:

 

 

 Ancestry - is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives and Jewish on both sides of the families?
Was told not to bother with anything below 4th in 4th Cousin by speaker in a local talk, however told also by another researcher that the DNA is magnified once it gets past 2nd cousin? I am on Ancestry, My Heritage and GEDmatch. (love the GEDmatch tools) to compare and do the wider searches.

Thanks in advance
Mandy Molava

 


Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

Dahn Cukier
 

An opinion.

Try to have more than one known relative to submit DNA. Best a sibling.
If a person is your 3rd cousin, but does not appear in your sibling list,
they are probably not relatives.

But if a person appears in both lists, they may very well be related.

Israel does not permit home DNA test for genealogy, but I found the
children of my mother's second cousin in the north by studying
pages at Yad VeShem. It turned  out that they are interest and tracing
genealogy for years. Neither of us had any idea we exist, DNA
would have found us earlier and showed that we are related.

My grandfather stayed with a family in London after WWI, how
are we related to this family was found a couple of years ago
using DNA result communications tools.

Dahn Cukier


When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas
(Gunsmoke)


On Tuesday, December 22, 2020, 10:46:56 AM GMT+2, mandy.molava via groups.jewishgen.org <mandy.molava=aol.com@...> wrote:


 Ancestry - is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives and Jewish on both sides of the families?
Was told not to bother with anything below 4th in 4th Cousin by speaker in a local talk, however told also by another researcher that the DNA is magnified once it gets past 2nd cousin? I am on Ancestry, My Heritage and GEDmatch. (love the GEDmatch tools) to compare and do the wider searches.

Thanks in advance
Mandy Molava


Re: Family Connections: Lviv - Vienna #austria-czech #ukraine

Viv Bayer
 

Leah, you don’t indicate where you have already researched but there are extensive indexes for Lwow on JRI-Poland.org, many of them linked to the original records. GesherGalicia.org has an ongoing indexing project for Jewish medical students from Lwow University, as well as the Jagiellonian University (Krakow), Pest University & Prague University, and GenTeam.at has a database of medical students from Vienna University, as well as other Vienna-related lists. 

Viv Bayer
Melbourne, Australia.


Dwore SILBERGLATT #usa

Mike Coleman
 

Dwore SILBERGLATT

 

Does anyone recognise this lady?


She arrived at New York on 13 Jun 1892, single, apparently alone and allegedly aged 16, having sailed from Hamburg on the "Rugia".
Her native country was Russia and her last residence Plock.

We believe that, as "Dora Davis", she was married to Harry Fox in Boston on 26 Jul 1896 by D. Rosenthal, Minister of the Cong(regation?) of Wilno.
Her age was given as 20, her place of birth as Russia and her parents named as David and Fanny.

She was subsequently, as Dora Fox nee Davis, married to Myer Liss in Boston on 19 Dec 1905.
This time her age was given as 24, her place of birth as England and her parents named as David Davis and Fanny Rosenthal.

Any and all information, and suggestions, gratefully received.

Mike Coleman


Re: How they traveled #romania #russia #usa

Gary
 

After getting chased out of Zhivotov by a pogrom, my maternal grandmother and her family made the crossing to Romania. I'm not clear on the exact details, but I know it took several attempts. I believe one smuggler took their money and left them to die in a valley somewhere. Another attempt was aborted when my grandmother came down with the measles. Finally they made it across and eventually made their way to the U.S.

A letter from my maternal grandfather to his parents indicated there was apparently a book published in Romania about my grandmother's adventures. No other information and the first time I'd heard about such a thing. How to go about finding such a book I have no idea. I believe the crossing from Russia to Romania have happened around 1921. 
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Gary Ehrlich
Rockville, MD
SCVIRSCI, Zhivotov, Ukraine; WASHLIKOVSKY/WASHALKOWSKY, SATER, Bialystock, Poland; LIFSHITS/LIFSHITZ, GOROVITZ, Ufa, Russia


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Re: How they traveled #romania #russia #usa

Michele Lock
 

I found out about the Philadelphia Immigrant bank ticket purchase ledgers by searching on JewishGen for anything about my Leibman relatives in Pennsylvania. That's when the index entries for my relatives in the ledgers came up. I don't know of any similar online ledgers for ticket purchases made in New York City. Perhaps the Center for Jewish History in NYC would know if any of these are available, or someone at JewishGen who handles NYC records might know.
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Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon in Zagare/Joniskis, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Minsk gub., Belarus


Slutsk Records #belarus #records

Jackie Wasserstein
 

I have seen the 1811 and 1850 Slutsk, Belarus Revision lists records on Jewishgen.  When I go to the Belarus database I can't find them.  Why aren't they there?  Can someone tell me where to find them again?
Thank you.

Jackie Wasserstein
East Meadow, New York


Two New SURNAME DATABASES to Check Out! #announcements #records

Phil Goldfarb
 

The lead story in Gary Mokotoff’s Nu? What’s New? this week was a lengthy article about Miriam Weiner’s updated website of The Routes to Roots Foundation at www.rtrfoundation.org . In addition, she also wrote an article in the new Fall 2020 issue of Avotaynu, The International Review of Jewish Genealogy. For those of you who do not subscribe to these valuable Jewish Genealogy resources, I wanted to let everyone know of the extraordinary and important additions to Miriam’s lifelong work.


I had a “preview tour” of the updated website and new surname databases where Miriam includes important information in the “Introduction” on the surname database page. It was exciting for me to see what she has done and is still doing so I wanted to share this release with the Discussion Group Members.


Miriam had her own roots in Tulsa, Oklahoma with her maternal grandparents and mother and we have become friends due to this connection. I urge you to check out her website and I have attached some helpful content descriptions for your perusal.

Good hunting!


Phil Goldfarb

Phil.goldfarb@... 

President, JGS of Tulsa

Chairman, 2020 IAJGS Award Selection Committee

Lead Moderator, JewishGen Discussion Group

 


Re: How they traveled #romania #russia #usa

Jx. Gx.
 

Michele Lock posted a wonderful link to Temple University's holdings of record books of immigrant ticket purchases at the Blitzstein Immigrant Bank in Philadelphia. (https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/search/collection/p16002coll16) Thank you, Michele!  I was wonder if you or anyone else can please recommend a source for the same type of information for tickets that were purchased in New York City where all of my ancestors arrived and resided. 

Thank you.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona  


Invitation to Zoom meeting: "Location, Location, Location: Where Your Ancestors Were" with Daniel Horowitz #events #announcements

Ben Kempner
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Southern Nevada (JGSSN) invites you to a Zoom meeting at 1:00 p.m. (Pacific Standard Time) on Sunday, January 17: "Location, Location, Location: Where Your Ancestors Were" with Daniel Horowitz.

 

To request a Zoom link, please complete this short form: Zoom Link Request

 

Members of JGSSN can attend for free.  Non-members can either pay $5.00 on the Donate page or pay $20 for a subscription to the 2021 series of outstanding speakers (9 lectures planned).  Take a look at the lineup on our Meetings page. To become a member and sign up for the 2021 series, go to the Membership page.

 

Session Description:

 

You know what they say: location is everything. Maps, addresses, and places are some of the key points of genealogy research. Analyzing your facts and recognizing when the places you’ve recorded were misspelled, incomplete, or totally wrong can give your research a huge boost — paving the way for you to discover how, where, and why your ancestors lived and worked where they did. By using the correct tools and websites, you’ll find new clues and gain extraordinary insights... but only if you follow the right path. In this lecture, Daniel will show you the way.  

 

About Daniel Horowitz:

 

Daniel is the Expert Genealogist from MyHeritage. He speaks at genealogy conferences around the world. He has been dedicated to genealogy since 1986. He was the teacher and the study guide editor of the family history project “Searching for My Roots” in Venezuela for 15 years. Daniel is involved in several crowdsource digitization and transcription projects and holds a board level position at the Israel Genealogy Research Association (IGRA). 

 

Ben Kempner

Vice President, JGSSN


Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

Sally Bruckheimer
 

I have 3rd and more distant cousins on my list of matches at Ancestry, but if I didn't know what I know and who I know, we might not know.

I met my Catholic 2nd Cousins in 1979 (one gr-uncle married a Catholic); my mother didn't tell me that the Esther Fitzgerald we picked up to visit another cousin was actually a cousin herself. My mother said she was a friend of Florence's, not a Ruslander by birth. So I know a bunch of them who tested, and some other 3rd and 4th cousins in my list, but you and / or the match needs to know.

My closest match other than my nephew (not his son however), is in no way we can determine related to me. Go figuire.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
Princeton, NJ


Warsaw Records circa 1920-1922 #poland

Rachelle Litt
 

My great uncle lived in Warsaw for a 2 year period before he emigrated to the Us. His name was Izak KATSMAZOVSKIJ (KACMAZOWSKI in Polish) He was there from about 1920 to 1922. Would there have been any records that survived that might document his time there?
--
Rachelle Litt
Palm Beach Gardens, Florida


Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

Marc Friedman
 

Mandy:

I have had limited luck with smaller cM matches (down to single digits), BUT I also know the names of the majority of my 2G grandparents (and some going back much farther), so that makes a huge difference because I can check matches against other posted trees (many people do not have trees on the site).  If you see someone with a private tree, do reach out to them, provide some information about your family, and ask if there is any match that they can confirm.  Even if they do not have a posted tree, reach out to them, because they are probably having the same issues as you, and I have found a lot genealogy is collaborative work.  (I have some strong matches who have an adoption in their line where the connection is probable, and I circle around with them occasionally to find out if they have discovered anything.)

Also, ask older relatives what they know about their parents, aunts, uncles, and cousins.  Even if they were born in the old country, there may be some names that may provide clues for you.

Generally, I find anything below a 3rd cousin match to be the "easy" cut-off point (G grandparents were siblings).  But there are some techniques you can use to confirm more distant relations.

In Ancestry, I would always select the person, then check the "Common Matches" tab and look for those common matches that you are able to confirm.  Granted, this does not always work because I have experienced individuals with common matches on both my maternal and paternal lines, so I cannot narrow down the connection(s).

And, if you have a tree on Ancestry - public or private - under the "DNA" tab there is a newer item called "ThruLines."  This is a quick way to check against other people's posted trees.  I have had success using this to connect with - and share information with - cousins descended from my 4G grandparents.

The more you know (or can find out) about your own ancestors and the names of the siblings of those ancestors, then the better your chances of success.  So don't be discouraged and give up.

Good Luck!
Marc Friedman


Re: How they traveled #romania #russia #usa

jbonline1111@...
 

Jorge Sexer, your comments brought up some questions about my family.  My great grandfather had a Russian passport. I have a copy of part of it. Three of his children are listed on it. If I understand correctly, he may have traveled more than once from Russia to America, bringing more children each time.  Older children traveled together, but separately from their father. Is there a way to get a fuller picture of this family's travel to America?  
--
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

elissa7@...
 

Yes!  I have even met my 3rd cousin once removed and my 4th cousins!  I lucked out finding my paternal grandfather's family.  I found my Great Great Grandparent's names including my Great Great Grandmother's maiden mame on an early 1900's NYC marriage license of my Great Grandfather's sister.  
It was my Great Great Grandmother's family who I found.  One of my cousins lives in the next town as me.  Crazy to think we all came from a tiny town in Russia (now Belarus), started out on the East Coast and ended up living just miles away in California.  
Also located a 3rd cousin on my paternal Grandmother's side who lives 2 towns away and we've gotten together a few times.  
Sometimes you get lucky and can find exactly where that person is in your tree.  

I also found my Mom's father's family by posting on a message board on Ancestry.  I never thought I'd have any luck because the name was changed to Cohen from what I thought was spelled Tsucker.
A cousin recognized the story, Cohen family in Rochester, NY and they had a missing Max.  It took a few years for her to find my post.  When I did speak with her she asked about the Tsucker name.  I said I was writing phonetically and the name meant Sugar.  Turns out the correct spelling was actually Cukier.  I was really surprised by the actual spelling.  By the end of our conversation she had sent me a photo (previously unidentified) of my Grandmother and Uncle.  And I sent her photos of my Great grandfather.  
In all these cases I was able fill in a lot of my tree.  Not everyone will write back to you.  I usually put all my family's last names and locations and people seem more likely to write back with the more info you provide. 
You never know what you'll find!

Elissa Haden
California

Researching: WALLACH/VOLAKH from Bocki, Poland - WATNICK/VATNIK and KAPLAN from Svislach, Belarus - GLICK/WEISS from Hungary and Utica NY - FELDMAN from Lodz - GOLDMAN - Lomza and more..


Re: looking for my father roots Kats, #belarus #holocaust

jbonline1111@...
 

Are you able to supply additional information, such as your father's uncle's name, how his name is listed on your birth certificate, or anything else to help people help you?
--
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Finding My Cousin Israel Fiselsons #names

aweitzman.ret@...
 

I have a letter postmarked 1973 from Israel Fiselsons to my uncle, Reubin Weitzman. The letter contains his then mailing address. Israel was living in his mother's apartment with his wife and ten year old daughter. I have the full mailing address but am looking the for name of the owner/tenant of the apartment. I believe she is a sister to my maternal grandmother, Slova Weitzman (born Schiren).

Any suggestions? I have tried everything without success.

Thanks in advance,

Allen Weitzman


Yiddish translation of letters #translation

Marla Cohen
 

My cousin sent me these two letters from her great grandmother. While I can make out a few words I do not have enough knowledge if Yiddish to translate.(Hebrew , yes- Yiddish - no).
Can anyone help?

Marla Cohen , Hartford,Ct.
Researching: KOZAK,ZAURBACH, Kutno,Poland
GRUSHKIN,GLICKMAN,Latvia,Lithuania
LEWIN,KAGANOVITCH,Lithuania KAPLAN,GIVENTHAL, Poltava, Odessa


Re: New DNA-Based Study of Jewish Pre-History #dna #israel #announcements #general

Adam Cherson
 

Thanks for the peer-review discussion.

 

The article is a pre-print, which usually means not yet submitted to the peer-reviewing process, and made available for various purposes (see below). By presenting the entire project, from raw data to conclusion, I wish to allow any other researcher to examine, judge, replicate, and otherwise interpret the data, whether their findings and conclusions support or negate my own.

 

I have included with this paper: 63 pages of Extended and Supplemental Data, an Interactive Project Map, the Project Haplotree, 23 spreadsheets containing Primary Component Analysis statistics, and footnoted citations to prior literature of recent vintage, some of which is not peer-reviewed. As with any scientific work, this paper also relies on certain presumptions which are described in Footnote 14.

 

The purposes of publishing this pre-print are: 1) to share immediately and fully some novel findings with interested researchers, and 2) to invite substantive commentaries and criticisms from researchers in all associated fields on any aspect of the paper. This continuous process will help to improve reasoning and presentation, and perhaps one day lead to a more formal peer-review submission -- if there is a journal interested in a paper reporting results from an FTDNA genetic genealogy project being used as a basis for biblical historicization. If there do happen to be any journal editors reading this discussion who would like to publish such a paper, please contact me privately.


--
Adam Cherson

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