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Re: Descendants of Twins #general

Sarah L Meyer
 

It is my understanding that fraternal twins do tend to run in families, but identical twins are purely random events.  My husband's great grand father was an identical twin and my daughter has fraternal twins.  But in order to run in families you should see a lot of them, especially as you look at your great aunts descendants.  Otherwise they are random, and it is my understanding that they are also more common with older mothers.
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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

Adam Goodheart
 

Another technique for unknown distant DNA matches on Ancestry: 
 
1) Use the "custom groups" feature to create a color-coded group for each of your ancestral lines.
 
2) Assign each of your *known* relatives whom you've matched with on Ancestry to a group or groups, identifying which line/s they descend from. (One match can belong to multiple groups.)
 
3) When you look at an unknown match, go to the list of "Shared Matches" with that person and click on "Groups." The drop-down will show you if the person matches predominantly with your known relatives from a specific ancestral line.
 
4) Research whether the unknown match shares any of your towns or surnames on that line.
 
I've used this method to identify quite a few unknown Ancestry matches. It seems to work even with pretty distant relationships. 
 
For instance, I looked at one unknown "5th-8th cousin" with whom I shared only 14 cms — but with whom I had 3 already-identified shared matches, all of whom came from the same line of my family tree. This 14-cm match turned out to indeed be a 4th cousin from that line of my family, The technique also seems to work especially well when— as in this case —  the unknown match is only part-Jewish.
 
Adam Goodheart
Washington, DC


Re: Two New SURNAME DATABASES to Check Out! #announcements #records

Paul Zoglin
 

This is a marvelous and significant addition to Miriam's pioneering work cataloguing Jewish records in the Eastern European archives.  The JewishGen Belarus Research Division was very fortunate to be given access to Miriam's Belarus research a couple years ago.  It led to the Miriam Weiner Archive Database for Belarus which is now incorporated into Miriam's new Surname Databases which include over 1 million names from many other regions as well as maps and images of original documents (and more to come).  The value of Miriam's work is not just in data on individual surnames but in the vast record sources her work has revealed.  We are forever indebted to Miriam for leading the way in our journey to trace our ancestral roots.
 
Dave Feldman
Sharon Fingold
Paul Zoglin
JewishGen Belarus Research Division leadership
 


Surname Databases #records #announcements

Keren Weiner
 

Congratulations, Miriam, for the monumental work you are doing with Jewish genealogy. These precious records will open countless doors for us.  The treasures we find will be handed down to our children and their children and so on down the line.  How can we thank you enough for that?  I'm always amazed but never surprised.  Way to go, 'Sis!

Keren Weiner
The Berkshires


Re: Two New SURNAME DATABASES to Check Out! #announcements #records

knowleswt@...
 

Miriam Weiner's website at The Routes to Roots Foundation (www.rtrfoundation.org) has always been one of the go-to sites for Eastern European Jewish research. Now, with this update and the additional information she has added, this should always be the place to start. 
 
I have been using her site for the last couple of years and the resources and help it provides has taken my research far beyond what I imagined possible, what a blessing.
 
Thank you, Miriam, for all your incredible work and for making it available for researchers worldwide.

 

 

 

W Todd Knowles, AG
Deputy Chief Genealogical Officer
FamilySearch International


Re: 1899 Psychiatric Diagnosis #records #usa

jel
 

Sarah,

Although "Terminal Dimentia" seemed to be a catch-all diagnosis meaning the patient couldn't be cured, it included patients with all sorts of conditions -- Syphilitic Pareses among them. This man was 25 when committed, and I can't rule out the possibility of some sort of accident causing brain trauma. I need to do a thorough search of the newspapers in Alachua FL and elsewhere, as well as trying to find the original commitment papers.
Thanks.
Judith Lipmanson
Smyrna, DE USA


looking for information on Gitl Grinberg Vigderovici #names #romania #records #ukraine

Aline Petzold
 

Hello All:

 I am still trying to track down information on my great grandmother Gitl ( Gitla) Grindberg Vigderovici.  I have documentation that places her birth year around 1855 and names her father as "Avram Grinberg".  Her husband , my great grandfather, was Hersh  (Herscu) Vigderovici.  They lived in Stefanesti, Romania ( now Moldova), where my grandmother and her siblings were born and got married.  I  have been unable to track down any information regarding Avram Grinberg which might lead me to Gitl.  I would love to find out more specifically when and where Gitl was born.  I welcome any ideas...

Aline Petzold
St. Paul MN


Re: Descendants of Twins #general

Eleanor Lind
 

Do you know if they were identical twins? Could make a difference a doctor would tell you more. 

Eleanor Platt Lind
London UK


Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

Carl Kaplan
 

I have attended several webinars, and they tend to advise to ignore the "relationship estimate", and rather go with the numbers, and what you know about the family. The numbers I use, from the webinars, for a match worth going after, are Total = >95 cM and one segment > 20cM and two additional segments >10 cM. But that can move. If I see a match that's close, I send a message. The whole idea is to narrow down the thousands of matches. I have definitely found 3rd cousins who were less of a match. One also has to take into consideration what is in the total. Ancestry seems to subtract small pieces from their total. At least this is how I do it. The main objective is to take it down to a manageable number. 

As for replies, good luck. I get very few, and that seems to be a common story. To me, that makes sense. Most of the TV commercials selling DNA kits talk about ethnicity, so I assume most people are ordering DNA kits to find their ethnicity. Since they don't care about matches, they're done. Some sites tell you when the person last logged on. Lots of them are over a year. I have also learned to put as much information as I am comfortable with in my message. I have received several that say, "I think we are related". That doesn't make me want to jump to reply. Lastly, I somewhat ignore last names in common. For a 3rd cousin, and I have found several through DNA, the names can change many times, especially if the connection is mainly through females. Your match can easily be on the 4th surname from the original. Hope this helps.
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Carl Kaplan

KAPLAN Minsk, Belarus
EDELSON, EDINBURG Kovno, Lithuania
HOFFERT, BIENSTOCK< BIENENSTOCK Kolbuszowa, Galicia
STEINBERG, KLINGER, WEISSBERG, APPELBERG Bukaczowce, Galicia


Re: Help Reading Ships Manifest #russia #poland

mbrichman@...
 

Looks like the town is "Warschau" - Warsaw. And then the second part would be a street address in Warsaw.

Michael Richman


Re: Help Needed Translating Headstones #translation #names

Diane Jacobs
 

Harry is Tsvi bar Shloma 
Ida is Chaia bat R Shmuel

I hope this helps.
Diane Jacobs 


On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 PM, amitch1066@... wrote:

Hi All,

Would anyone be able to translate the following headstones?  Pix are attached. 

Thanks in advance
Amy Mitchell
Moderator Note: Please reply privately
<Harry Caplan_headstone.jpg>
<Samuel Caplan_headstone.jpg>

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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Re: Searching info on Myriam Karesh / Alpern - Emigrated from Triczianne to Palestine circa 1907 #israel

ansik28@...
 

I don't have any information on Myriam Alpern, but my great grandfather Yosef Farber was from Triczianne and came to America in 1903 after spending some time in Bialystok.  He was a bricklayer by trade. I would appreciate any information you have about Triczianne in those years. Thanks.  Paul Farber


Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

sharon yampell
 

I have to somewhat disagree with your statement about the person not appearing on a sibling’s list , not being related…  DNA is not evenly distributed so sometimes a sibling may or may not get the same DNA or DNA from the same person.  I have found many family members who I  know I am related to and have shared DNA with and then there are others that should be matches to, because they match other family members on the list, but they don’t…

 

Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, New Jersey

 

From: Dahn Cukier via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 3:03 AM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

 

An opinion.

 

Try to have more than one known relative to submit DNA. Best a sibling.

If a person is your 3rd cousin, but does not appear in your sibling list,

they are probably not relatives.

 

But if a person appears in both lists, they may very well be related.

 

Israel does not permit home DNA test for genealogy, but I found the

children of my mother's second cousin in the north by studying

pages at Yad VeShem. It turned  out that they are interest and tracing

genealogy for years. Neither of us had any idea we exist, DNA

would have found us earlier and showed that we are related.

 

My grandfather stayed with a family in London after WWI, how

are we related to this family was found a couple of years ago

using DNA result communications tools.

 

Dahn Cukier

 

 

When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas
(Gunsmoke)

 

 

On Tuesday, December 22, 2020, 10:46:56 AM GMT+2, mandy.molava via groups.jewishgen.org <mandy.molava=aol.com@...> wrote:

 

 

 Ancestry - is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives and Jewish on both sides of the families?
Was told not to bother with anything below 4th in 4th Cousin by speaker in a local talk, however told also by another researcher that the DNA is magnified once it gets past 2nd cousin? I am on Ancestry, My Heritage and GEDmatch. (love the GEDmatch tools) to compare and do the wider searches.

Thanks in advance
Mandy Molava

 


Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

Dahn Cukier
 

An opinion.

Try to have more than one known relative to submit DNA. Best a sibling.
If a person is your 3rd cousin, but does not appear in your sibling list,
they are probably not relatives.

But if a person appears in both lists, they may very well be related.

Israel does not permit home DNA test for genealogy, but I found the
children of my mother's second cousin in the north by studying
pages at Yad VeShem. It turned  out that they are interest and tracing
genealogy for years. Neither of us had any idea we exist, DNA
would have found us earlier and showed that we are related.

My grandfather stayed with a family in London after WWI, how
are we related to this family was found a couple of years ago
using DNA result communications tools.

Dahn Cukier


When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas
(Gunsmoke)


On Tuesday, December 22, 2020, 10:46:56 AM GMT+2, mandy.molava via groups.jewishgen.org <mandy.molava=aol.com@...> wrote:


 Ancestry - is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives and Jewish on both sides of the families?
Was told not to bother with anything below 4th in 4th Cousin by speaker in a local talk, however told also by another researcher that the DNA is magnified once it gets past 2nd cousin? I am on Ancestry, My Heritage and GEDmatch. (love the GEDmatch tools) to compare and do the wider searches.

Thanks in advance
Mandy Molava


Re: Family Connections: Lviv - Vienna #austria-czech #ukraine

Viv Bayer
 

Leah, you don’t indicate where you have already researched but there are extensive indexes for Lwow on JRI-Poland.org, many of them linked to the original records. GesherGalicia.org has an ongoing indexing project for Jewish medical students from Lwow University, as well as the Jagiellonian University (Krakow), Pest University & Prague University, and GenTeam.at has a database of medical students from Vienna University, as well as other Vienna-related lists. 

Viv Bayer
Melbourne, Australia.


Dwore SILBERGLATT #usa

Mike Coleman
 

Dwore SILBERGLATT

 

Does anyone recognise this lady?


She arrived at New York on 13 Jun 1892, single, apparently alone and allegedly aged 16, having sailed from Hamburg on the "Rugia".
Her native country was Russia and her last residence Plock.

We believe that, as "Dora Davis", she was married to Harry Fox in Boston on 26 Jul 1896 by D. Rosenthal, Minister of the Cong(regation?) of Wilno.
Her age was given as 20, her place of birth as Russia and her parents named as David and Fanny.

She was subsequently, as Dora Fox nee Davis, married to Myer Liss in Boston on 19 Dec 1905.
This time her age was given as 24, her place of birth as England and her parents named as David Davis and Fanny Rosenthal.

Any and all information, and suggestions, gratefully received.

Mike Coleman


Re: How they traveled #romania #russia #usa

Gary
 

After getting chased out of Zhivotov by a pogrom, my maternal grandmother and her family made the crossing to Romania. I'm not clear on the exact details, but I know it took several attempts. I believe one smuggler took their money and left them to die in a valley somewhere. Another attempt was aborted when my grandmother came down with the measles. Finally they made it across and eventually made their way to the U.S.

A letter from my maternal grandfather to his parents indicated there was apparently a book published in Romania about my grandmother's adventures. No other information and the first time I'd heard about such a thing. How to go about finding such a book I have no idea. I believe the crossing from Russia to Romania have happened around 1921. 
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Gary Ehrlich
Rockville, MD
SCVIRSCI, Zhivotov, Ukraine; WASHLIKOVSKY/WASHALKOWSKY, SATER, Bialystock, Poland; LIFSHITS/LIFSHITZ, GOROVITZ, Ufa, Russia


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Re: How they traveled #romania #russia #usa

Michele Lock
 

I found out about the Philadelphia Immigrant bank ticket purchase ledgers by searching on JewishGen for anything about my Leibman relatives in Pennsylvania. That's when the index entries for my relatives in the ledgers came up. I don't know of any similar online ledgers for ticket purchases made in New York City. Perhaps the Center for Jewish History in NYC would know if any of these are available, or someone at JewishGen who handles NYC records might know.
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Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon in Zagare/Joniskis, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Minsk gub., Belarus


Slutsk Records #belarus #records

Jackie Wasserstein
 

I have seen the 1811 and 1850 Slutsk, Belarus Revision lists records on Jewishgen.  When I go to the Belarus database I can't find them.  Why aren't they there?  Can someone tell me where to find them again?
Thank you.

Jackie Wasserstein
East Meadow, New York

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