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Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

chuckreback@...
 

To answer some questions I received privately.  

It sometimes take months for someone to reply.  Some never do.

I have an extensive tree.  I know the names of all my g g grandparents.  I have identified many (most) of my g grandparents' siblings.; for 5/8 I am confident I have the names of all siblings.  Thus I sometimes recognize the names of many potential matches.  Through names or common matches I can usually tell which branch (at the g grandparent level) they are on.  When i don't recognize the name I try to find the match on social media to see who their relatives are or where they are from.  When i contact the match I tell them how I think we are related and often ask if so-and-so was their parent or grandparent.

Finally, most branches of my tree spent time in Fall River, MA, so I ask if they have any ties to southeastern MA or Rhode Island.  

Chuck Reback
Spartanburg, SC


Re: Descendants of Twins #general

sharon yampell
 

My paternal grandmother was one of two sets of twins born to her mother…she and her younger sister both lost their twin sisters as toddlers.  My grandmother did not have any twins nor did her younger sister.  My great aunt had no grandchildren and as one of the two grandchildren my grandmother had who had children, neither I nor my first cousin had twins…

 

Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, New Jersey

 

From: Sherri Bobish
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 2:21 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Descendants of Twins #general

 



I agree with Malka about the lack of statistical measurement of twins.  As a practical example, in the 1910's in NYC my late Uncle Irving was born a twin.  The two boys' birth certificates give no indication of whether they were fraternal or identical.  My Uncle's twin passed on in very early childhood.

Past records may be too imprecise to use for study, but I would think going forward data would be recorded and studied accurately.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish

 


Re: Dwore SILBERGLATT #usa

Sherri Bobish
 


Mike,

Have you seen Dora LISS'  U.S. passport application in 1920?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99X3-9SXB?i=356&cc=2185145&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQV5B-H8BX

There is a photo of Dora on the 2nd page of the application:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9X3-9S1W?i=357&cc=2185145

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Naturalization Papers #records

Rebecca Racer
 

Hi Everyone
has anyone had success ordering a certified copy of a naturalization certificate from USCIS (or INS)? Looking through their website, NARA will not certify a certificate from USCIS and NARA may not have certificates after a certain date. Needing this for dual citizenship.

Thanks
Rebecca Racer


Re: Warsaw Records circa 1920-1922 #poland

Sherri Bobish
 


Rachelle,

You can search his name in old digitized Warsaw directories at:
https://genealogyindexer.org/directories
If you find his name it may list his occupation and address.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Hungarian Census Records Account #announcements #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I am pleased to announce that you can now make donations directly to the Hungarian Census Records Account to support the acquisition of additional census records held in Hungarian archives.  Go to the JewishGenerosity page at:
https://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=15
and scroll down to Hungarian Census Records.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to help cover the cost of the obtaining the vast collection of 18th and 19th century census records from Budapest and other communities in Pest-Pilis-Solt megye.  With your help there will be lots more to come!

Best wishes to all for a safe, healthy, and happy 2021.

Vivian Kahn
JewishGen Hungarian Research Director


Re: Descendants of Twins #general

Sherri Bobish
 



I agree with Malka about the lack of statistical measurement of twins.  As a practical example, in the 1910's in NYC my late Uncle Irving was born a twin.  The two boys' birth certificates give no indication of whether they were fraternal or identical.  My Uncle's twin passed on in very early childhood.

Past records may be too imprecise to use for study, but I would think going forward data would be recorded and studied accurately.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Help reading occupation on Passenger Log #records #unitedkingdom #usa

debannex@...
 

Hello. I am hoping someone might be able to help me figure out the occupation of my great grandfather, Henry Weingarden. I can not read the handwriting and would be grateful if someone could! I am also having a hard time with the address of Max Lazarus, the home where they visited when they arrived in New York. Thank you in advance for any help you might be able to provide.

Deborah Moscou Annex


Re: Descendants of Twins #general

@murfisto
 

My father, who was born in Krynki, Poland in 1898, was one of identical twins but his twin died of (probably) typhus within his first year of life but there are no other twins in our extended family in his or my generation nor had there been any reference to any other set of twins in his previous generation, so, i would guess, you don't need to expect twins in your generation unless by accident...
Murray Stollman
St Pete Beach, FL


Looking for information about Rosenberg sisters from the Bronx and the Brettner family in NY #usa

Richard Stower
 

I am looking for information about Fay ROSENBERG (b.1914), Florence (b. 1915) and Lillian (b. 1918). Their father was Jack Rosenberg and mother was Katie. They lived in the Bronx on Popham Ave.

Also information about Andrew, Bertha, Maxwell, Julia, Julius, Hannah and Felix BRETTNER.

Thank you.

Richard Stower
Yarmouth, Maine
 
Researching Kolomyya: SECHESTOWER, SPIERMAN, THAU, BEISER, GRAFF. 
 
Chortkiv/Budaniv: GROSS, FELLNER, HOCHMAN
 
Dobrowa Tarnowską: KANNER, SCHMIDT, WERNER


Re: Descendants of Twins #general

malka_f1
 

I'm not a scientist but today I spoke to an ex colleague, a high school science teacher who informed me as follows on this issue:- 

1.  Until recently the thinking was that twins would occur when there were previous generations of twin births and that is what the science teachers in the UK used to teach.   
2.  However, the thinking has changed and twin births are now thought to be more random.
3.  Having said that, there is the phenomenon where some women could be predisposed to releasing 2 eggs giving rise to twins.
4.  But the main issues are (i) the data doesn't go back far enough; (ii) lack of statistical measurement & (iii) oral histories all leading to insecure data analysis.  Hence the change in thinking as set out at 2 above.  

On the subject of oral history, I discovered via Jewish Gen databases that my paternal grandmother was a twin.  She had several children but no twins and neither have I had twins.  

There may be genners 'out there' with more scientific knowledge but in the meantime I hope the above may be of some use to you.   

Regards
Malka Flekier
London, UK


Re: Two New SURNAME DATABASES to Check Out! #announcements #records

Mark Halpern
 

Miriam Weiner’s Routes to Roots Foundation website was introduced to us about 20 years ago. The Archival database provides the holdings by town of repositories in five eastern European countries plus certain repositories in Israel and the United States. What a resource to me and thousands of other genealogists with roots in Eastern Europe. Just look at the great comments that Miriam received back then https://www.rtrfoundation.org/comments.shtml. Well, she did not rest on her laurels.

Miriam gave me a preview tour of her updated website with the new Surnames Database. I entered my mother’s maiden name PERLIS and what a surprise. There were eight collections, five from my mother’s birthplace of Bialystok. I looked at the “List of Jewish Taxpayers, 1847” and there were my great great grandfather Moszko ben Abram PERLIS and my great great great grandfather Abram ben Moszko PERLIS. I had never before been able to place these ancestors in Bialystok or anywhere else before the late 1860s. I now know they were resident in Bialystok in 1847 and most likely for years before 1847. Thank you Miriam!!

If you have not yet searched Miriam’s new Surnames database https://www.rtrfoundation.org/lnsearch.php, do it now.

As a long-time member of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Philadelphia, I have known Miriam for a long time. She has always been very kind to our Society; donating books and other materials and speaking to our Society when we have asked. Just last year, well before the pandemic hit all of us, she made a terrific presentation to us. See https://www.jewishexponent.com/2019/12/19/genealogy-rock-star-discusses-digging-up-jewish-roots/. Well, it’s time to ask again.

Thank you Miriam and also a big thanks to all those who helped you bring this new Surnames database to the Jewish genealogical community.

Mark Halpern
Conshohocken, PA, USA
Jewish Genealogical and Archival Society of Greater Philadelphia, Past President

 

On 2020-12-22 7:07 pm, Phil Goldfarb wrote:

The lead story in Gary Mokotoff's Nu? What's New? this week was a lengthy article about Miriam Weiner's updated website of The Routes to Roots Foundation at www.rtrfoundation.org . In addition, she also wrote an article in the new Fall 2020 issue of Avotaynu, The International Review of Jewish Genealogy. For those of you who do not subscribe to these valuable Jewish Genealogy resources, I wanted to let everyone know of the extraordinary and important additions to Miriam's lifelong work.


I had a "preview tour" of the updated website and new surname databases where Miriam includes important information in the "Introduction" on the surname database page. It was exciting for me to see what she has done and is still doing so I wanted to share this release with the Discussion Group Members.


Miriam had her own roots in Tulsa, Oklahoma with her maternal grandparents and mother and we have become friends due to this connection. I urge you to check out her website and I have attached some helpful content descriptions for your perusal.

Good hunting!


Phil Goldfarb

Phil.goldfarb@... 

President, JGS of Tulsa

Chairman, 2020 IAJGS Award Selection Committee

Lead Moderator, JewishGen Discussion Group

 


Re: Descendants of Twins #general

deborah.shindell@...
 

When I unexpectedly had fraternal female twins 28 years ago, people asked me if it ran in the family. My answer at that time was "it does now". Since doing genealogy, I realized that it DOES run in my family. Identical twins do not, but having fraternal twins is governed by the female line and whether she releases two eggs during ovulation. Practically every single female descendant of my maternal great-great-grandmother had twins. My sisters did not, but I guess I was the lucky one. Now to see if my daughters have twins!
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Deborah Shindell
Trumbull, CT
deborah.shindell@...
researching: Beserglik, Lederhendler, Goldberg (all in Poland) and Szmukler (Ukraine)


Mukachevo area births, 1871-1880 #records

ritamart24@...
 

How can you get subcarpathia birth certificate that is on the Mukachevo area births, 1871-1880 registry?  

Rita Anne Haberman.


Re: Warsaw Records circa 1920-1922 #poland

Sarah L Meyer
 

I don't think those records have been released yet.  But check with JRI-Poland.
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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Re: Descendants of Twins #general

Sarah L Meyer
 

It is my understanding that fraternal twins do tend to run in families, but identical twins are purely random events.  My husband's great grand father was an identical twin and my daughter has fraternal twins.  But in order to run in families you should see a lot of them, especially as you look at your great aunts descendants.  Otherwise they are random, and it is my understanding that they are also more common with older mothers.
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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

Adam Goodheart
 

Another technique for unknown distant DNA matches on Ancestry: 
 
1) Use the "custom groups" feature to create a color-coded group for each of your ancestral lines.
 
2) Assign each of your *known* relatives whom you've matched with on Ancestry to a group or groups, identifying which line/s they descend from. (One match can belong to multiple groups.)
 
3) When you look at an unknown match, go to the list of "Shared Matches" with that person and click on "Groups." The drop-down will show you if the person matches predominantly with your known relatives from a specific ancestral line.
 
4) Research whether the unknown match shares any of your towns or surnames on that line.
 
I've used this method to identify quite a few unknown Ancestry matches. It seems to work even with pretty distant relationships. 
 
For instance, I looked at one unknown "5th-8th cousin" with whom I shared only 14 cms — but with whom I had 3 already-identified shared matches, all of whom came from the same line of my family tree. This 14-cm match turned out to indeed be a 4th cousin from that line of my family, The technique also seems to work especially well when— as in this case —  the unknown match is only part-Jewish.
 
Adam Goodheart
Washington, DC


Re: Two New SURNAME DATABASES to Check Out! #announcements #records

Paul Zoglin
 

This is a marvelous and significant addition to Miriam's pioneering work cataloguing Jewish records in the Eastern European archives.  The JewishGen Belarus Research Division was very fortunate to be given access to Miriam's Belarus research a couple years ago.  It led to the Miriam Weiner Archive Database for Belarus which is now incorporated into Miriam's new Surname Databases which include over 1 million names from many other regions as well as maps and images of original documents (and more to come).  The value of Miriam's work is not just in data on individual surnames but in the vast record sources her work has revealed.  We are forever indebted to Miriam for leading the way in our journey to trace our ancestral roots.
 
Dave Feldman
Sharon Fingold
Paul Zoglin
JewishGen Belarus Research Division leadership
 


Surname Databases #records #announcements

Keren Weiner
 

Congratulations, Miriam, for the monumental work you are doing with Jewish genealogy. These precious records will open countless doors for us.  The treasures we find will be handed down to our children and their children and so on down the line.  How can we thank you enough for that?  I'm always amazed but never surprised.  Way to go, 'Sis!

Keren Weiner
The Berkshires


Re: Two New SURNAME DATABASES to Check Out! #announcements #records

knowleswt@...
 

Miriam Weiner's website at The Routes to Roots Foundation (www.rtrfoundation.org) has always been one of the go-to sites for Eastern European Jewish research. Now, with this update and the additional information she has added, this should always be the place to start. 
 
I have been using her site for the last couple of years and the resources and help it provides has taken my research far beyond what I imagined possible, what a blessing.
 
Thank you, Miriam, for all your incredible work and for making it available for researchers worldwide.

 

 

 

W Todd Knowles, AG
Deputy Chief Genealogical Officer
FamilySearch International

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