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This week'y Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks

Bruce Drake
 

This excerpt, from the Yizkor book of Dabrowa Górnicza, Poland reminded me of a sermon a rabbi told his congregation about his experience with a woman who was studying towards conversion. After attending her fiancé's family Seder, she said, “"Rabbi -- there was so much yelling and interrupting at the table -- no one agreed with anyone" — and then wondered how after so much tumult, things changed to laughter and joking during the meal, and everyone hugged when the night was over.
 
To which the rabbi replied: “Welcome to Judaism, where arguing is the national pastime."
 
This excerpt is titled ““Klayn Michale” [Little Michael], the joker of Jewish Dabrowa” and most of it is about him, but it begins with a section called “The arguments clubhouse” where Jews “with a very developed sense of humor” gathered to “to joke about every subject that was spoken about…Usually they were serious arguments and on a high level, but they would get into jesting mood, and would tell entertaining stories, fine jokes: they would speak humorously with a touch of self-mockery, making fun of one another with incidental jibes, insults and even juicy expletives and the rule that was not surpassed amongst them: no one took it to heart, and at the most they would reply with even greater jibes.”
 
Enter Klayn Michael into this den of kibitzers, where he “fell straight into the lions' mouths." With war loomng, Klayn was down in the dumps and in no mood to be cheered up. “What do you know happened today?!" he told the others. "You apparently come from an imaginary world and see rose colored daydreams.” His words were met with “a ruthless hubbub of ridicule and hurtful defamations.”
 
The dialogue that follows is priceless. And in the spirit of that seder I described at the top, it ended with the declaration, “You should live till a hundred and twenty, Klayn Michale” and everyone slapped him on the back.
 
 
Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD
 
Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


Looking for ZELTZER in Podolia or Kishinev #ukraine #bessarabia

SamPam Hausfather
 

Greetings,
I am working to find more details on my great-grandparents, Moishe and
Ides ZELTZER. They, along with my grandmother Bunnie (Beckie in the
US), arrived in Ellis Island NY in 1908 from Kishinev (Passenger
Lists). According to my grandmother's naturalization papers, she was
born in "Padola" Russia on 15 March 1884.

Apparently there is a Podolia census of 1875, where some Jewish
residents were assigned to various towns, including Kishinev. Could my
family have been involved in this even with her being born in 1884
probably in Podolia? Are there any Podilia or Kishinev records that
may list the family? My grandmother did speak of hiding from the
pograms.

Thank you for any help.
Sam Hausfather
Asheville, NC, USA
Researching ZELTZER in Bessarabia, HAUSFATER in Romania, KRANTZ in
Galacia, KWEKZILBER in Poland


Re: Request for Information - Black family, Manchester 1940s - 1970s Inbox #unitedkingdom #general

rv Kaplan
 

Neil

You should try the online Manchester Jewish burials database at:


Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow

On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 at 09:26, Neil Fraser <neil8fff@...> wrote:
I'm searching for information on a Jewish gentleman who went by the name of Black in the Manchester area in the period 1940s - 1970s. He was in the tailoring business and in the 1950s was the partner of Gertrude Parkin. Gertrude was born Gertrude Condon in Salford in 1903 and married George Henry Parkin in Selford in 1923. Gertrude and George had three children before the marriage broke down. Gertrude changed her name legally to Black in the early 1950s. There is no record of a marriage between Gertrude and Mr. Black. It is possible that Black was an Anglicised form of a Jewish name such as Bloch. It is not known when or where Mr. Black was born but it is thought he was older than Gertrude. Gertrude and Mr. Black lived in the Salford area of Manchester. Gertrude also worked in the tailoring industry which is probably how the couple met. Mr. Back was relatively wealthy and is known to have bought expensive gifts for Gertrude including a fur coat. The couple did not produce any children. Mr Black died in the early 1970s before Gertrude. I can find no record of Mr. Black's death or burial which further leads me to believe that Black was not his official name. He left Gertrude a considerable legacy. Gertrude died under the name Gertrude Black in 1987 at Prestwich. Any information on Mr Black, or of the couple, or suggestions on sources of information would be greatly appreciated. The information is requested by Pat Allsopp, a great-niece of Gertrude who now lives in Salamander Bay, New South Wales. Posted by Neil Fraser, on behalf of Pat Allsopp.  

Neil Fraser


US military marriage Nathanson Goldenberg in 1944 Cairo #records

Jeff at SG
 

Nat Nathanson was an active duty US officer stationed in Cairo when he met and in 1944 married Eva Goldenberg who was born and raised in Cairo. I assume the US military must have some record of that marriage and perhaps whatever investigation they undertook prior to giving permission for the marriage. Where would I find US military records about that marriage?

Jeff Malka
Researching Goldenberg and Bernstein of Cairo Egypt.


Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

I have had a lot of difficulty identifying matches, regardless of site.  That said, I do a surname search on my match list and go through all the surnames that I know are in the family - especially husband's of cousins surnames.  I have had more luck with distant cousins + surnames and trees than I have had with 3rd cousins and no trees or just a couple of people.  BTW I have one first cousin on Ancestry and NO second cousins, so I drop immediately to third to fourth.  A couple of people I recognized, but I have some fairly extensive tree depending on the line.
--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Re: Request for Information - Black family, Manchester 1940s - 1970s Inbox #unitedkingdom #general

Michael Hoffman
 

Neal, put your request on the "Roots" page of the Jewish Telegraph at  http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/manchester/ I believe that a request would be a "Free" entry on the page. The Roots page is near the bottom of the Right Hand Column. 

Michael Hoffman

Borehamwood,
HERTS UK.


Ancestral town of Lyantskoran/Zarechanka #ukraine

jodygenealogy@...
 

The town of Lyantskoran (name before WW1) is listed for my grandparents on a passenger manifest. It is called Zarechanka today and is in Ukraine. Does anyone have family from there or know where I can obtain more information about it? It is not too far from Kamenets Podolsky, so should I assume records are there (lost in the fire)? It is a tiny village, and would love to connect with others with family from there. 

Jody Shaw
Researching SCHWARTZ, GENDLER, MARGOLIS, ROTHBERG from Zarechanka


Re: Request for Information - Black family, Manchester 1940s - 1970s Inbox #unitedkingdom #general

VINCENT JEFFERY
 

Have you tried:-

North Manchester Jewish Cemeteries Trust
email: admin@...;  tel: 0161 795 0735

regards

Suzanne Vincent, Manchester


Re: Request for Information - Black family, Manchester 1940s - 1970s Inbox #unitedkingdom #general

Jill Whitehead
 

My Manchester cousin who is in her 80's has in the past told me about a well known Jewish midwife in Manchester called Dora Black who operated in about the 1920's and may have delivered family members. So there was a Jewish Black family. Whether your person was related to Dora Black would be hard to tell.  But apparently she delivered very many Jewish babies and was a legend in her own lifetime. The Manchester branch of the JGSGB would probably know. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


Toby and Nathan WASSOF. #usa

Moishe Tanenbaum
 

Looking for information of my mother's sister and brother-in-law, Toby and Nathan WASSOF. Last known address was in Tamarac, Florida. Their children are Edith and Martin WASSOF. Thank you
Moishe Tanenbaum
Brooklyn, New York

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Re: Seeking grandfather's family name #lithuania #unitedkingdom #southafrica

David Shapiro
 

It's only a guess, but I recall hearing from early genealogist Shmuel Gorr that he was related to Israeli judge Shimon Agranat who headed the "Agranat Commission" which investigated the Yom Kipppur War. Shmuel said that the 'g' in Agranat was the Russian replacement for an 'h' which doesn't exist in Russian, and the name meant that they were kohanim - descendants of Aharon. If that fits your family you might consider it.

David Shapiro
Jerusalem


Re: Seeking a Cemetery #usa

dasw5@...
 

Try this    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210072028/simon-stock




Hadassah Wilen
dasw5@...
Flohr (Suceava, Vienna), Hirsch (Dukla), Trembitsky (Belarus), Wilensky (Belarus)


ViewMate Translation request - Polish #translation #poland

Alice
 

I have posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
https:/www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89203
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much. Alice Riley


Request for Information - Black family, Manchester 1940s - 1970s Inbox #unitedkingdom #general

neil8fff@...
 

I'm searching for information on a Jewish gentleman who went by the name of Black in the Manchester area in the period 1940s - 1970s. He was in the tailoring business and in the 1950s was the partner of Gertrude Parkin. Gertrude was born Gertrude Condon in Salford in 1903 and married George Henry Parkin in Selford in 1923. Gertrude and George had three children before the marriage broke down. Gertrude changed her name legally to Black in the early 1950s. There is no record of a marriage between Gertrude and Mr. Black. It is possible that Black was an Anglicised form of a Jewish name such as Bloch. It is not known when or where Mr. Black was born but it is thought he was older than Gertrude. Gertrude and Mr. Black lived in the Salford area of Manchester. Gertrude also worked in the tailoring industry which is probably how the couple met. Mr. Back was relatively wealthy and is known to have bought expensive gifts for Gertrude including a fur coat. The couple did not produce any children. Mr Black died in the early 1970s before Gertrude. I can find no record of Mr. Black's death or burial which further leads me to believe that Black was not his official name. He left Gertrude a considerable legacy. Gertrude died under the name Gertrude Black in 1987 at Prestwich. Any information on Mr Black, or of the couple, or suggestions on sources of information would be greatly appreciated. The information is requested by Pat Allsopp, a great-niece of Gertrude who now lives in Salamander Bay, New South Wales. Posted by Neil Fraser, on behalf of Pat Allsopp.  

Neil Fraser


Re: Seeking a Cemetery #usa

Renee Steinig
 

It's probably a misreading of Cedar Park Cemetery, in Paramus, New Jersey. It should be easy to find out: just  call their office (https://www.cedarparkbethelcemeteries.com). 

An alternative to googling for cemeteries is the JGS (NY)'s Directory of Regional Cemeteries, at

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...


Eric Ellman <eellman@...> wrote:


A distant relative, Simon Stock (1872 - Aug. 7, 1947), died in the Bronx (certificate 7885).  Ancestry has listed a summary of the death information and notes that Simon was buried at "Adon Park Cemetery."  This cemetery does not come up on a Google search. Do any of you have any ideas what cemetery this might be?


Re: Information sought on GIMPEL Leopold & Janette #germany

Andreas Schwab
 

Have you contacted the Munich City Archives? They will have listings in the residents register (Mlderegister) before and after the USA episode. This entries should also mention wife and children. Also, they should have the marriage record if it was before 1960. 
https://www.muenchen.de/.../Tag-der-Archive-2016_Einfuehrung-in-die- Personenforschung_StadtA-Muenchen.pdf
https://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/Stadtarchiv/Bestaende/Bestellung.html
--
Andreas Schwab, Montreal, Canada


Seeking a Cemetery #usa

Eric Ellman
 

Friends,

A distant relative, Simon Stock (1872 - Aug. 7, 1947), died in the Bronx (certificate 7885).  Ancestry has listed a summary of the death information and notes that Simon was buried at "Adon Park Cemetery."  This cemetery does not come up on a Google search. Do any of you have any ideas what cemetery this might be?

Eric

Searching: COHEN (London), COIRA, (Minkovsty, Ukr.), ELLMAN (Minkovsty, Ukraine), FAGIN (Dvinsk, Latvia), GREENBERG (Rzesz=F3w, Galicia), GRUDMAN/GRUBMAN (Kedainiai, Lit./Riga, Lat.), KOTZEN (Riga, Lat./Birzhay, Lit.), KREIGER (Riga, Lat./Kedainiai, Lith.), LUFFER, ((Riga, Lat./Birzhay, Lit.), MAIDM=
AN (Minkovsty, Ukr),ROSENBERG (Lomza/Nowogrod, Poland), STORCH/STOCK (Rzeszow, Galacia), STERN (Narajow/Narayiv, Galicia), SZRENZIL (Narajow/Narayiv, Galicia), WYSZYNSKI (Mlawa, Poland)

....
Eric J. Ellman
North Bethesda, Maryland


Information sought on GIMPEL Leopold & Janette #germany

Shulamit
 



Leopold GIMPEL, born 5. October 1900 in Lemberg/L’wow, died 13. February 1970 in Munich. He was a victim of the fire attack on the Jewish Old Age Home in Munich.

His wife Jeanette GIMPEL survived the terror attack. We know that after the war Leopold and his wife are listed as residing in Munich.

On a list from Bad Arolsen we found that they left Munich for USA. Address given, 975 N Delaware Street, Indianapolis, Indiana. They arrived in NY on the General RM Blatchford in 1951. We also know that both GIMPEL returned to Munich in about 1965.

Questions:
Where did LEOPOLD GIMPEL survive the war?
When did he marry Jeanette?
Where did they get married?
What was Jeanette’s maiden name?
Are there any children from this marriage?

From Leopold age it is possible that he had been married before the war and that he and Jeanette were survivors who got married after the war. I am grateful for any information.

Shulamit Spain, Scotland

Researching: GIMPEL, CITRONENBLATT, KIEFERBAUM from Lemberg/L’wow


last question aabout my dad's maternal mother, father and before them - siblings too. #usa

bonniemdj@...
 

I do know thanks to the volunteers in this group, that my dad's mother's mother's name was Asna Popensky, and her father's name was Velvel-or Weivel or William in English. mollie was 22 when she married Samuel Lieberman/Lokiec/Liberman in 1908, making her birth year 1886.. Asna, or Anna had at least 2 children other than Mollie- Isadore who married Rebecca?? and I remember they lived in Brooklyn in the 1960's and Benjamin who lived in the Bronx in the early 1960's. Mollie passed away, however in 1937. is it possible, that there is no more information?
Many thanks again.
Bonnie Lieberman


Searching for family of Golda Smuklarsky/Smukliarsky/Smookler my great grandmother #lithuania

jillk19@...
 

Golda/Sora married Mordkhel Yankel/Mordachai Yaakov Smuklarsky/Smukliarsky in Vilna.  Looking for information on Golda/Sutcha/Sora/Sarah Trause/Trotsky/Chait. Possible date of birth 1863
by Jill Koidin

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