Re: Why would a husband take his wife's surname? #lithuania #unitedkingdom #general


One reason I can think of for the husband to take his wife's last name in the UK is because Fletcher may have made it easier when dealing with other people or the authorities, compared to the foreign Lazarus. Considering common intolerance to strangers/immigrants/Jews, using a less "foreign" name might have helped.
In my family I have the opposite reason for choosing a wife's last name.  I have a cousin in Israel who's last name was originally Cohen. He adopted his wife's last name so he could have a less common name and less confusion when dealing with officials.  His first name is pretty common Israeli name and Cohen is the most common last name for Jews in Israel. Think of being named John Smith and having to explain to the police each time that you are not the John Smith they are looking for.

Dan Efrat
Cherry Hill, NJ, USA (originally from Israel)

Re: Ancestral town of Lyantskoran/Zarechanka #ukraine


My great-grandmother, Esther Schwartz (married name Litt) was from there. Her parents were Isaac & Lena (born Polack). I'd also be interested in any resources. 

Eric Fink
Researching SCHWARTZ & POLACK from Zarechanka

Re: Deciphering Gravestone #translation

Valentin Lupu

Both are abbreviations of:
- our teacher, the Rabbi מורנו הרב
- ritual slaughterer and inspector שוחט ובודק

Valentin Lupu

Surnames Rzezak, Pakentreger, Iglicka/Iglicki from Lodz or Zdunska Wola, Poland #names #poland

Sharon E Siegel

If anyone is researching Surnames Rzezak, Pakentreger, Iglicka/Iglicki from Lodz or Zdunska Wola, Poland  #names #poland # rabbi Shlomo (Szlama) Iglicki of Lodz (most of whom died in the Holocaust or experienced the horrible conditions on the run, later in Siberian river logging camp, and diseases and losses after taking a boat to Russian work farms, maybe we can compare research.

This has been a very powerful undertaking in the discoveries made of details left out by my husband's mom and dad in telling portions of their Holocaust survival and immigration by Marine Perch to NY in 1946.  I just know we have relatives out there, but do not have names and locations.
Sharon E. Siegel 
Port Jervis, NY USA

Re: Ukraine Group - Town of Tulchin, Sirota Family #ukraine


found some folks in 4 different places, 1875 census, 1921 pogrom list (possible relatives that didn't emigrate), and 1897 Odessa census (perhaps some relatives moved from Tulchin to Odessa), 

1875 census:
226-80-1169 1875
Itsko-Leyb s.o. Khaim
sons: Yudko, Ios, Duvid
shtetl Gorishkovka
226-80-1167a 1875 district 9
Sirota Moshko-Azril s.o. Aron-Shmul - 48 y.o
son: Alter - 10 y.o.
registered at Novograd-Volynskiy, Volyn governorate
226-80-1167b 1875 district 3
Sirota Shaya-Leyb - 41 y.o.
Leyzor - 7 y.o.
Yankel - 5 y.o.
Abrum - 2 y.o.
registered at shtetl Markovka (?), Yampol district, Podolia governorate

The following 2 people had families in Odessa, as noted in the 1897 census (let me know if you need details on their families, age, etc):
  • Sirota Srul-Duvid s.o. Noekh from Kuna, Gaysin district, Podolia  (~30 mi E of Tulchin)
  • Syrota Noikh s.o. Khaim from Kublich, Gaysin district, Podolia (~50 mi E of Tulchin)
from a 1921 document titled 
"Tulchin Jewish Public Committee for Aid to the affected by the Pogroms
Registration book of the population affected by the pogroms in the city of Tulchin"
Sirota Iosif s.o. Itsko-Leyb
Sirota Itsko s.o. Yudka
Sirota Moshe s.o. Gul.
Sirota Motel s.o Iosif
Sirota Nakhman s.o. Aron
Sirota Feyga d.o Iosif
Sirota Khuma d.o Yankel
Sirota Isrul s.o Pinkus
Sirota Luzer s.o. Zus
Sirota Moyshe s.o. Itsko
Sirota Khaim s.o. Igif.?
Sirota Hana d.o. Aizik
Sirota Ester d.o. Luzer
Sirota Brukha d.o. Gershko
Sirota Vitya d.o. Itsko
Sirota Perlya

Mike Vayser

Re: Request for Information - Black family, Manchester 1940s - 1970s Inbox #unitedkingdom #general

Rodney Eisfelder

Gertrude Parkin adopted the surname Black in January 1958, at which time she was living at 5 Rugby Street, Cheetham.


Perhaps someone can find out who else was living at that address in 1958...

I hope this helps,
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia

Re: Slutsk Records #belarus #records

Gerald and Margaret

Why dont you contact The Together Plan, a charity based in London and Belarus, which helps the remaining Jews in the country become self-sufficient.  One of their projects is to undertake genealogical research.  Their huge advantage is they speak the local language and Russian, plus know the ways of the local bureaucracy.


Margaret Levin , London UK

Deciphering Gravestone #translation

Lee Jaffe

I'd appreciate some help deciphering a couple words on my great-grandfather's gravestone.  What I've made out so far is:

Here Lies
Our Beloved Father
xxx Rav Ari Leib son of
Shalom HaCohen xxx
Died 11 MarHeshvon 5683
(2 Nov 1922)

What I'm having trouble with are the 
first word on the third line:  מוה
last word on the fourth line: שוב (acronym?)
Not even sure I'm reading the letters correctly.

I've tried everything I could think of but haven't found anything that made sense.


Lee Jaffe
Koshkin, Joroff, Weinblatt, Schwartz, Jaffe

Why would a husband take his wife's surname? #lithuania #unitedkingdom #general

Denise Fletcher

It seems that one of my grandfather's sisters, Leah Fleiser / Fleser, married a Samuel Lazarus.  As far as we know, Leah was born in Prienai, Lithuania in 1879, and Samuel was born in 1868.  We don't know where or when they got married. 

Leah had siblings who left Prienai around the turn of the 20th century for the UK, where the name was anglicised to Fletcher.  She, possibly already married to Samuel, followed suit at around the same time.

Leah and Samuel lived in Cardiff from at least 1912, and for some reason, Samuel apparently took Fletcher as his surname.  All 3 of his sons had Lazarus as their middle name, though, and on HIS tombstone, his given names are Samuel Eliezer, in other words, Samuel Lazarus, but his surname is Fletcher.

Can anyone shed any light on why this might have happened? 

Please reply directly to me at dfletcheroz@...

Many thanks in anticipation!
Denise Fletcher, Sydney Australia

Re: Charge for JewishGen? We Disagree! #JewishGenUpdates


I appreciate JewishGen being free for all.  I use it often and sent my donation to support your work.
While Amazon Smile is a nice addition, at a rate of 0.5% per purchase, one would have to spend $20,000 to equal a $100 donation. 
Relly Coleman

Re: Dwore SILBERGLATT #usa


Myer Liss and Dora were reported as having moved West in 1923.  I located them in Los Angeles in the census of 1930 and 1940.  She is not difficult to identify in the census because she was born in England. 

David Rosen

"Dora and Meyer are in the US census for both 1910 and 1920 in Springfield MA.   (Indexed on Ancestry as Si?s in 1920 and Liss in 1920).  No children in either year.
Myer is in the Boston City directory for Boston in 1906 on Cunard St., This is the street where Dora lives on the marriage record. He  Is in subsequent Boston City directories for 1907 & 8. He Is absent in1909.
Myer is in Springfield MA City directories 1909 - 1922. In the 1923 directory it says "rem. west", i.e removed/moved West."

On 12/22/2020 10:27 PM, Mike Coleman via wrote:



Does anyone recognise this lady?

She arrived at New York on 13 Jun 1892, single, apparently alone and allegedly aged 16, having sailed from Hamburg on the "Rugia".
Her native country was Russia and her last residence Plock.

We believe that, as "Dora Davis", she was married to Harry Fox in Boston on 26 Jul 1896 by D. Rosenthal, Minister of the Cong(regation?) of Wilno.
Her age was given as 20, her place of birth as Russia and her parents named as David and Fanny.

She was subsequently, as Dora Fox nee Davis, married to Myer Liss in Boston on 19 Dec 1905.
This time her age was given as 24, her place of birth as England and her parents named as David Davis and Fanny Rosenthal.

Any and all information, and suggestions, gratefully received.

Mike Coleman

Ukraine Group - Town of Tulchin, Sirota Family #ukraine


Please advise re: best ways, if any, to research vital records for the town.  Our family left there circa 1896.


David Lerner


Re: Request for Information - Black family, Manchester 1940s - 1970s Inbox #unitedkingdom #general

Sherri Bobish


I did a search in the Ancestry database: England & Wales, National Probate Calendar.
I searched for surname BLACK, passing on between 1970 -1980 in Salford.   I got two hits.  I would assume Gertrude's name would be in the probate record, as you said she received a considerable legacy.

6 Radford St, Salford  (Note: name of street hard to read though)
died November 22, 1972
probate London July 20th
53350  (pounds)

39 Murray St., Salford
died August 12, 1979
Administration Manchester 11 September
10821 (pounds)

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish

Re: Information sought on GIMPEL Leopold & Janette #germany

Sherri Bobish


975 N. Delaware St., the address they went to in 1951 was The Indianapolis Hebrew Congregation.  IHC  moved to the suburb of Meridian Hills.

As an aside (have nothing to do with the Gimpel family) 975 N. Delaware St. was later used by Jim Jones.

Leopold & Janete naturalized in the 1950's in NY. 

Janete passed on in California in 1994.  Her death cert should list the informant's name, and may possibly be a child or other relative.

Below is a record of Janete GIMPEL in the
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007

It contains her parents names.

Name:Janete Gimpel[Janetta Gimpel][Janete Scheineeld]Gender:Female
Birth Date:14 May 1909
Birth Place:Boryslan, Poland[Boryslan|]Death Date:19 May 1994
Claim Date:15 May 1968
Father:Markus ScheineeldMother:Genia SigulimCitizenship or Alien Status:U.S. citizen.Type of Claim:Evidence other than birth record submitted; U.S. citizen or alien allowed to work.Notes:14 May 1993: Name listed as JANETE GIMPEL; 24 Sep 1976: Name listed as JANETTA GIMPEL

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish

Re: Request for Information - Black family, Manchester 1940s - 1970s Inbox #unitedkingdom #general

Our Jewish Family History Research

Hi Neil:
I have posted this to the group following up on Jill Whitehead's mention of Dora Black.
There is full information about who her husband and children were etc. A very interesting site.
Dora Black : British Jews in The First World War - We Were There Too
Best ,
Jacqueline GRUSZECKI
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Researching: GRUSZECKI/GRUSZECKA from Warszawa

Re: last question aabout my dad's maternal mother, father and before them - siblings too. #usa

Gary Pokrassa

See abstract of death cert from FHL attached.  According to her cemetery records in Mt Lebanon she was buried in the Zakrotschiner society which according to the JGSNY database is from the shtetl of Zakroczym in the Warsawa gubernia.   Also buried next to her is Sam. Her maiden name seems to be Cohen according to the Death cert - William Cohen 
Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division

This week'y Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks

Bruce Drake

This excerpt, from the Yizkor book of Dabrowa Górnicza, Poland reminded me of a sermon a rabbi told his congregation about his experience with a woman who was studying towards conversion. After attending her fiancé's family Seder, she said, “"Rabbi -- there was so much yelling and interrupting at the table -- no one agreed with anyone" — and then wondered how after so much tumult, things changed to laughter and joking during the meal, and everyone hugged when the night was over.
To which the rabbi replied: “Welcome to Judaism, where arguing is the national pastime."
This excerpt is titled ““Klayn Michale” [Little Michael], the joker of Jewish Dabrowa” and most of it is about him, but it begins with a section called “The arguments clubhouse” where Jews “with a very developed sense of humor” gathered to “to joke about every subject that was spoken about…Usually they were serious arguments and on a high level, but they would get into jesting mood, and would tell entertaining stories, fine jokes: they would speak humorously with a touch of self-mockery, making fun of one another with incidental jibes, insults and even juicy expletives and the rule that was not surpassed amongst them: no one took it to heart, and at the most they would reply with even greater jibes.”
Enter Klayn Michael into this den of kibitzers, where he “fell straight into the lions' mouths." With war loomng, Klayn was down in the dumps and in no mood to be cheered up. “What do you know happened today?!" he told the others. "You apparently come from an imaginary world and see rose colored daydreams.” His words were met with “a ruthless hubbub of ridicule and hurtful defamations.”
The dialogue that follows is priceless. And in the spirit of that seder I described at the top, it ended with the declaration, “You should live till a hundred and twenty, Klayn Michale” and everyone slapped him on the back.
Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel

Looking for ZELTZER in Podolia or Kishinev #ukraine #bessarabia

SamPam Hausfather

I am working to find more details on my great-grandparents, Moishe and
Ides ZELTZER. They, along with my grandmother Bunnie (Beckie in the
US), arrived in Ellis Island NY in 1908 from Kishinev (Passenger
Lists). According to my grandmother's naturalization papers, she was
born in "Padola" Russia on 15 March 1884.

Apparently there is a Podolia census of 1875, where some Jewish
residents were assigned to various towns, including Kishinev. Could my
family have been involved in this even with her being born in 1884
probably in Podolia? Are there any Podilia or Kishinev records that
may list the family? My grandmother did speak of hiding from the

Thank you for any help.
Sam Hausfather
Asheville, NC, USA
Researching ZELTZER in Bessarabia, HAUSFATER in Romania, KRANTZ in
Galacia, KWEKZILBER in Poland

Re: Request for Information - Black family, Manchester 1940s - 1970s Inbox #unitedkingdom #general

rv Kaplan


You should try the online Manchester Jewish burials database at:

Harvey Kaplan

On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 at 09:26, Neil Fraser <neil8fff@...> wrote:
I'm searching for information on a Jewish gentleman who went by the name of Black in the Manchester area in the period 1940s - 1970s. He was in the tailoring business and in the 1950s was the partner of Gertrude Parkin. Gertrude was born Gertrude Condon in Salford in 1903 and married George Henry Parkin in Selford in 1923. Gertrude and George had three children before the marriage broke down. Gertrude changed her name legally to Black in the early 1950s. There is no record of a marriage between Gertrude and Mr. Black. It is possible that Black was an Anglicised form of a Jewish name such as Bloch. It is not known when or where Mr. Black was born but it is thought he was older than Gertrude. Gertrude and Mr. Black lived in the Salford area of Manchester. Gertrude also worked in the tailoring industry which is probably how the couple met. Mr. Back was relatively wealthy and is known to have bought expensive gifts for Gertrude including a fur coat. The couple did not produce any children. Mr Black died in the early 1970s before Gertrude. I can find no record of Mr. Black's death or burial which further leads me to believe that Black was not his official name. He left Gertrude a considerable legacy. Gertrude died under the name Gertrude Black in 1987 at Prestwich. Any information on Mr Black, or of the couple, or suggestions on sources of information would be greatly appreciated. The information is requested by Pat Allsopp, a great-niece of Gertrude who now lives in Salamander Bay, New South Wales. Posted by Neil Fraser, on behalf of Pat Allsopp.  

Neil Fraser

US military marriage Nathanson Goldenberg in 1944 Cairo #records

Jeff at SG

Nat Nathanson was an active duty US officer stationed in Cairo when he met and in 1944 married Eva Goldenberg who was born and raised in Cairo. I assume the US military must have some record of that marriage and perhaps whatever investigation they undertook prior to giving permission for the marriage. Where would I find US military records about that marriage?

Jeff Malka
Researching Goldenberg and Bernstein of Cairo Egypt.

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