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Re: How many "first names" did people have? #names

Sally Bruckheimer
 

My ggrandmother was one of 20 children born to a couple in a tiny town. In the birth records, her mother's name was listed differently on each one. My ggrandmother was usually Rachel (also one of her mother's names), but on her marriage record in NYC, she was Regina (a sister's birth name and also her mother's name on a different record).

It isn't just women. Her husband was born Baruch in Amsterdam, grew up as Barnett in London, and lived in New York as Bernard. Obviously his Hebrew name was Baruch, but whatever else was common - usage was fine.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Post 1895 Civil Records from Hungary #hungary #records

dtolman@...
 

I recently learned that familysearch has digitally posted not only the jewish religious vital records from before 1895, but also had the post 1895 civil records (for all citizens) for many towns in the post 1895 period. Looking through them however, I noted that they are not indexed on family search or jewishgen - and they are inconsistent. For example - the scanned entries for my grandmothers small village of Tiszalúc have records that stretch into the late 20th century - while the nearby city of Miskolc only seems to stretch from 1895-1908. 

Are there any plans or projects underway under jewishgen or any other site to index any of these post 1895 civil records?
Does anyone know if there is a good resource that summarizes what records were preserved for each town (not just the scanned records by familysearch - but record books that they did not scan)?
I'm particularly interested in the Miskolc/Borsod/Zemblen region. 

Many thanks
Daniel Eig


Re: Shmuel Leib CITRON, Minsk and Vilnius #lithuania

Jerry Krassner
 

I am confused that Schmuel, born 1860, would have a brother Gershon born in 1839. Seems like the years don't match.

But please contact me privately to discuss this, since my wife's great great great grandfather was Schmuel CITRON (though he was likely born in the 1820s or so). He had 4 sons (as far as I have found), and they were from Bialystok (but who knows who was where, when)?
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French Police Surveillance Dossiers of Interwar Period -Online Index #records #france

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

The French Police Surveillance Dossiers of the Interwar Period- les Fonds de Moscou have an online index. This covers about 650,000 people on whom the French police were spying. The index was created in Russian as the collection has traveled many miles!

 

As written in the French Blog   https://tinyurl.com/y7u2lrwd

(original url) https://french-genealogy.typepad.com/genealogie/2021/01/the-french-police-surveillance-dossiers-of-the-interwar-period-les-fonds-de-moscou-have-an-index-o.html

the Nazis collected a great many things, including artworks, books and archives, and sent them to Germany. “Among the archives so taken were the private papers of the French branch of the Rothschild family (https://www.rothschildarchive.org/collections/family_collections/)

the library and archives of the Alliance Isréalite Universelle (https://www.bibliotheque-numerique-aiu.org/), the Masonic archives and membership records of the Grand Orient de France,  and the police surveillance files of the Directorate for National Security in the Ministry of the Interior. All of these collections are called the "Fonds de Moscou", the "Moscow Collection". This is because one of the conquerors of the Nazis was the Soviet Union and, dutifully following the claim by a nineteenth century American Secretary of War that "to the victor belong the spoils", the Red Army stole from the Nazis what they had stolen from the French and took it all to Moscow, where (words not being minced) they were known as the "Trophy Archives". No one conquered the Soviet Union but itself; when it collapsed, word got out that archival treasures that France had thought lost forever were not so. It took some "discussion", but this is something at which the French are unparalleled, so the Russians bowed and the collections were returned, or mostly so.”

 

Types of records the police found suspect and worthy of surveillance included:

Jewish people, anarchists, political militants, foreign spies, foreigners who requested to be naturalized,  French who requested passports to travel and foreigners who requested permission to remain in France and more.,

 

The surveillance files part of the Fonds de Moscou are in the Archives nationales at Pierrefitte-sur-Seine

(https://www.archives-nationales.culture.gouv.fr/en/web/guest/site-de-pierrefitte-sur-seine).

 

A research guide is available- at this time only in French.

https://www.siv.archives-nationales.culture.gouv.fr/siv/cms/content/helpGuide.action ) If you use Chrome as your browser it will translate it into English.) Other translation services may also be of assistance. The website warns that using the index is not easy.

 

There is also a microfilmed and digitized card index made by the Directorate of General Security, in French, of all of the two million names mentioned in the dossiers.


To find out how to request a dossier please read the French Genealogy blog post at:

https://french-genealogy.typepad.com/genealogie/2021/01/the-french-police-surveillance-dossiers-of-the-interwar-period-les-fonds-de-moscou-have-an-index-o.html

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


Re: Origin of Latvian Jews #latvia

Louis Macovsky
 

This discussion is interesting.  I have recently identified a very early 19th century ancestor with the surname Dondes.  On the surface and at least to me this suggests Portuguese or Spanish origin.  These ancestors were in Lithuania, probably not in but near Vilnius.  Interestingly, during my research of that name, I found Dondes in 16 and 17th century Scotland.

Louis Macovsky


Jan. 5: CJH Genealogy Coffee Break #events #usa #announcements

Moriah Amit
 

Tomorrow (1/5) at 3:30 pm ET, tune into the Center for Jewish History's Facebook page for the next episode of Genealogy Coffee Break. Did your family arrive in American before the mass migrations of the 1800's and 1900's? We'll show you how to locate sources on your family and the Jewish communities in which they settled at the Center for Jewish History and beyond. There is no registration or log in. To join the live webinar, click "Follow" on the top of the Center's Facebook page and a notification will pop up on your screen when the webinar goes live. Note: If the notification doesn't appear, you can also find the webinar on our Facebook videos page once it goes live. Catch up on the entire series with auto captions here.
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New York, NY
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Re: Who is the better option for DNA: siblings or father and son? #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

If he tested at FTDNA, they keep his sample for 25 years - and I have used a 7 year old sample to upgrade Y tests.  You can also use that sample for family finder or mtDNA

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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Re: Autosomal Analysis Question #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

I read with interest this discussion.  My mtDNA haplotype is X2b7 so not M33.  But in my mother's paternal line we all have inherited a slightly Asian or Mongolian eye fold.  It shows up primarily at birth and in old age, in between those ages it is not as noticeable.   To the best of my knowledge it is a dominant trait, as we all have had it.  It is stronger in some of us than others.  When my son was born, it was so strong that his doctor did some tests and assured me that he would have normal intelligence. (He has a PhD).  I had to reassure the doctors that this was a family trait and not a matter for concern.  I have always wondered where this came from.

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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Fuks (Bajla, Bejla, Hinda Pessa, Rzezak) Lodz area, Poland search for fate of half sibling #poland #lodz #names #records

Sharon E Siegel
 

We are searching for information about children born to our father Israel Rzezak and his first wife Hinda Pessa Fuks Rzezak. they lived in Lodz, Poland. 

Hinda had children born to this couple before their marriage, marriage was in 1929. 

We believe there was a child Bejla born June 2, 1927 or possible 1923.  We believe Hi with Fuks as last name, but could have been Rzezak.  We believe this child, Bajla Fuks born 1923 (address Holz 16) was transported to Chelmo (Kulmhof) Extermination Camp on June 28, 1944.   There is a record 225, transport 223 on Jewish Gen records, but we do not know how to obtain this actual record.

We do not know the other child's name.

Hinda and both children were murdered in the Shoah. 
Any information possible is appreciated. We cannot hire a researcher, unfortunately. We are working hard to do this on our own.
Sincerely, Sharon & Stanley Siegel, Port Jervis, NY 12771
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Sharon E. Siegel 
Port Jervis, NY USA


Re: Question On Becoming A Citizen in 1920s Canada #canada

Teewinot
 

Hi Janette,

The other information that doesn't fit your narrative is that person's
nationality as U.S. when applying for Canadian citizenship. That person
would have had to been in the U.S. for 5 years to gain U.S. citizenship.
That means, if he arrived in Canada in 1920, and say he left Canada
immediately upon receiving U.S. citizenship, he would have been in the
U.S. from at least 1915.
Yes, I'm aware of the rules for citizenship in the U.S. I know he (Sam)
probably came early, because his uncle arrived in Montreal in 1899
(according to his U.S. naturalization papers) and then boarded a train
to NYC and settled there, although, so far, I haven't found the uncle on
a manifest (ship did not arrive on the date and year listed on the
papers). I suspect the brothers traveled together with Sam, but I have
yet to prove that. So, the U.S. citizenship doesn't concern me, since
it would fit. What I don't get is how Sam could have gained Canadian
citizenship so fast - immigrating to Montreal in 1920 and taking the
Oath of Allegiance in 1923. How was he able to cut out two years of the
process? That's what puzzles me. This side of the family has always
been a huge mystery, and this is just one small part of that!

On a side note, by any chance would you happen to be related to an
Abraham Silverman of NYC, who died in 1970? He was the owner of Lenox
Wallpaper. The original family name was Krasnopolsky.

Thanks!
Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida

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Re: Help Unraveling a Mystery #latvia

aweitzman.ret@...
 

Good morning Max,

Could you provide me the web address for the Riga archives. It may be one I've already checked or could be a new one for me.

Thanks.

Allen Weitzman


Re: ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation #poland #russia

ryabinkym@...
 

In Russian:

 

Согласно исполнительному листу Люблинского окружного суда от 4 октября 1911 года за номером 10467, Люблинский окружной суд постановил: акт о смерти Давида-Лейбы Блютуха, составленный чиновником гражданского состояния Люблинского еврейского округа от 11 (23) марта 1897 года за номером 100 испаравить в том, дабы после слова "умер" впереди фамилии "Блютух" вместо имени "Хаим" вписаны были имена "Давид-Лейб", а после слов "Оставив жену" перед словом "Добу" вписано было "Байлю" - город Люблин, 9 октября 1911 года.

 

Чиновнок гражданского состояния Подпись

 

Translated into English:

 

According to the writ of execution of the Lublin District Court of October 4, 1911 No. 10467, the Lublin District Court ruled: the death act of David-Leiba Blutukh, drawn up by an official of the civil status of the Lublin Jewish District of March 11 (23), 1897 No. 100, should be corrected in that, so that after the word "died" in front of the surname "Blutukh" instead of the name "Khaim" the names "David-Leib" were inscribed, and after the words "Leaving his wife" before the word "Doba" was inscribed "Bailya" - the city of Lublin, October 9, 1911.

 

Civil Status Official Signature


Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Columbus, OH


Re: How many "first names" did people have? #names

Alex Magocsi
 

I have an issue related to this topic.  It concerns the family name GREIF from Fulyán HU, now Fulianka SK.

At time of his birth, the Mother of Herman Greif (born abt. Oct 1862 in Fulyán) is shown as Rivka Schneider.

Upon his marriage in NYC, the Mother of Ignatz Greif (born abt. Jul 1859 in Fulyán) is shown as Lina Schneider
Upon his death in NYC, the Mother of said Ignatz is shown as Regina Schneider.

On each of the transcribed documents, the Father's name is Josef, or some form thereof.

My gut feeling is that the names Rivka and Regina could be interchangeable but the switch from Lina to Regina is throwing me off and I hope someone will comment on these names.
I have not seen actual certificates but rather transcriptions.

Regards
Alex Magocsi
Hamburg Germany


Re: Question On Becoming A Citizen in 1920s Canada #canada

Janette Silverman
 

Hi Jeri:
The other information that doesn't fit your narrative is that person's nationality as U.S. when applying for Canadian citizenship. That person would have had to been in the U.S. for 5 years to gain U.S. citizenship. That means, if he arrived in Canada in 1920, and say he left Canada immediately upon receiving U.S. citizenship, he would have been in the U.S. from at least 1915.
Janette Silverman
Phoenx, AZ and Salt Lake City, UT


Re: Origin of Latvian Jews #latvia

Michael Sharp
 

Sephardi Jews reached the Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth by two routes:

1) flight from Spain to the Ottoman Empire and then migration through the Balkans to Poland
2) converso settlement in the Netherlands and then trading to the Baltic ports

The printing industry in Poland was to a large extent established by Sephardi Jews and some towns such as Zamosc, were when established as shtetls by the local noble, largely settled by Sephardim, valued for their commercial expertise and trading contacts
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Michael Sharp
Manchester UK
michael.sharp@...


Transcript please, German #germany

Reuven Stern
 

Dear fellow gersigers,
I will appreciate transcripts of these two documents
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89358
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89359
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Reuven Stern, Kfar Vradim Israel


ViewMate translation request - Polish #poland #translation

Kay Miller
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

 

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89345

 

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

 

Thank you very much.

Kay Miller




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ViewMate translation request - Polish #poland #translation

Kay Miller
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

 

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89346

 

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

 

Thank you very much.

 

Kay Miller

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Polish Translation #translation #poland

Kay Miller
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

 

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89347

 

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

 

Thank you very much.

 

Kay Miller




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ViewMate translation request - Polish #poland #translation

Alex Guri
 

Hello,

I've posted vital records in Polish for which I'd appreciate a translation.
They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88918
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89338
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89339
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89340

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much,
Alex Guri

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