Genealogy Research on LIEBERMAN British Family Member Originally from Belarus #unitedkingdom #belarus


Hello all,

I am researching my family history. I am posting with the goal of identifying and hopefully connecting with cousins of mine living in the U.K. that got separated from my family at the beginning of the 20th century. My family, the Liebermans, were most likely from the town of Berezina (in Modern-day Belarus) and two twin Lieberman males and possibly a third older Lieberman brother moved to the U.K. sometime before 1903 (and possibly were married somewhere around that time as well) or maybe a few years earlier.

The two unknown Lieberman male twins and older brother were brothers of my great grandfather. An old family tree lists the eldest brother's Hebrew name as Dov Ber and the twins' names as Avraham Dovid and Yakov Nachum. My great-grandfathers' name is Henry Lieberman (also known as Hillel). They also had a sister named Zlata Bayla and Chana. I have no idea if they went by their Hebrew names or took on secular names and if they went by Lieberman (maybe it was shortened to Lee?). Only my g-grandfathers' brothers went to the U.K.. Zlata Bayla went to the U.S. and Chana we believe went to South Africa. My g-grandfather and his siblings' father's name was Zvulun Lieberman and their mother's name was Rochel (maiden name Frumkin), also known as Fruma Rochel. I am told that Zvulun Lieberman was originally born Zvulun Litman but was adopted by cousins named Lieberman (and changed his surname to Lieberman) to avoid forced conscription. 

The family story is that Henry/Hillel was forcibly conscripted into the Russian army and sent to the front lines in the Russo-Japanese war. Realizing that he faced almost certain death, Henry/Hillel deserted from Manchuria and ran away to Shanghai, eventually making his way to Bombay, India and then to the U.K. (somewhere along the way he may have passed through both/either South Africa and the Suez Canal). Henry/Hillel then lived with his twin brothers in the U.K. for a few months before making his way to America, his final destination. Henry/Hillel arrived in the U.S. through Ellis Island in December 1904.

I am very interested in tracking down what happened to my Lieberman family in the U.K. (Henry's twin brothers and eldest brother) and if any descendants are alive today. If anyone has any connections or recommendations, please let me know.

Thank you so much,
Jason Lieberman jliebe97@...

OCJGS Meeting Sunday January 24th at 10:00 am Pacific Time #announcements

Michelle Sandler

The next Orange County California Jewish Genealogy Society meeting is Sunday January 24th at 10:00 am Pacific Time. Alexander Beider is speaking on What's in a name? Unravelling the Mystery of Jewish Migrations Through Onomastics. Free to members and $5 for nonmembers. Register at .
Michelle Sandler
President OCJGS
Westminster California

Re: Berko Portiansky or Portjanskii in Yelizabetgrad #russia #ukraine

Sherri Bobish


It seems that "Yelizabetgrad" was the Yiddish variant town name, and today it is called Kirovohrad, Ukraine.

Here are some databases to search for your family, if you haven't already:
JewishGen Ukraine Database:
I suggest doing a soundex search on the surname, as names get spelled various ways in the records.

This site has old digitized Eastern European city and business directories.  You can check if they have anything for the town you are searching.

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish

Re: Dray family from Morocco to France #france

Abuwasta Abuwasta

Dear Christine,

DRAY is sometimes spelled DERHI or DERI. Worthwhile to check these spellings as well.

Jacob Rosen


Re: Dray family from Morocco to France #france

Abuwasta Abuwasta

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 01:10 PM, David Choukroun wrote:
Dear Christine, 

To my knowledge, Morocco was a French protectorat from 1881 to 1956.
There are some archives in France (Nantes, La Courneuve)
Dray being a quite common name -- I would suggest 
1/ To check janvier 2020 (
2/ To write here : archives.cadn[@]  - with as much as possible all the information available (it will take time, but they will answer)
3/ To contact a french jewish genealogy organisation Cercle de Généalogie Juive | La première association française de généalogie juive (
4/ To contact another one (GAMT Accueil bienvenue - GAMT Association Francaise de Généalogie - French Genealogy Association - Asociación Francesa Genealogia (

Both of them 3/ and 4/ are very active and might help you in your research (but they would probably need more details)

Hope that helps, I am also interested in your findings as the Jewish community was following the less difficult status for the Jews between Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia. A lot of moves here.

All the best, 




Sussman News (1934-1939) digitized and downloadable #announcements #education #lithuania #names #usa


The Sussman News was compiled and published in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, from March 1934 to December 1939 by three Sussman cousins, all descendants of Yisroel Zisman (1837-1902) and Hinda Rachel Levin (1834-1921).  (Yisroel Zisman’s parents, Dov Ber Zisman and Fruma Rivka, were born about 1800 in or near Ponedel (Pandėlys), Lithuania):


Dr. Samuel Sussman (1895-1967) son of Louis (Laibzig) Zisman and Emma Meltzer;

Hirsh Laib Sussman (1890-1955), son of Berko Bertzig Zisman and Tone Fehler; and

Israel R. Sussman (1915-2005), son of Louis Sussman and Mollie (Dweire) Derman.


These three cousins, who were living in Philadelphia, created the biweekly newsletter to keep Sussman relatives in the U.S., Lithuania, and South Africa informed of each other’s activities, but also to share their family history and memories of ancestors from the 19th C in the Ponedel region (NE Lithuania).

You may download a complete searchable copy (920 pp.) at my website:   A sample of the contents is attached here.
Please let me know if you find ancestors so that I can offer you access to my extended family tree and add your branch and/or make corrections.
Debbie Shaw Schwartz

Re: Looking for a town in Belarus #belarus

Larry Nordell

My grandmother went from Slutsk to Ekaterinaslav as a teenager to study at a millinery school there, probably in the mid1890s.  She returned to Slutsk, married there and in 1906 made her way with her two kids to Capetown to retrieve her husband, and then to New York.

Larry Nordell

Re: Congregation Anshe Motele, Chicago #belarus #rabbinic #usa

Alex Feller

With all due respect to Joe Kraus, the book by Bea Kraus and Norman Schwartz called "A Walk to Shul" contains a handful of pages about the history of Congregation Anshe Motele under the section about Congregation Ezrath Israel Anshe Motele on page 128.  Another book about Chicago Landsmanshaften called Bridges to an American City by Sidney Sorkin has a little more information about the synagogue's history starting on page 255.  In regards to the surname Kaplan in connection with Congregation Anshe Motele, Sorkin mentions Harry Kaplan, Tzvi Kaplan, Bernard Kaplan, Jack Kaplan, and Rabbi Kaplan.  It appears the source of this information comes from a 1978 Yearbook/Yizkor book for Anshe Motele and possibly from congregational record/minutes books.  It might be worthwhile to see if such records books still exist with the synagogue. 
I have also found in the course of my own research on Chicago synagogues that information on sales of temple seats is documented in property records from the early 1900s.  There may also be information in newspapers like the Sentinel.

Good Luck.

Alex Feller

Re: importing/transferring/sharing historical records between services? #general

Lee Jaffe

The best answer to my question came privately and I wanted to share the gist of it as part of this thread.  The suggestion was to use the citation feature of whatever system you are using to document (and when possible) link to the source of any "external" record you want to append to a member of your tree.  In other words, I find a manifest in FamilySearch and am unable to retrieve the record through the site where I maintain my family tree.  I use FamilySearch's download option to capture a copy of the manifest record to my computer, then upload it as a photo to my tree.  I would then need to create a new "event" (in MyHeritage terms) for each family member on the manifest, including all the details, attach the photo to the new event, and add a citation to the FamilySearch location – including the URL – that would allow me to retrace my steps. 

It's a cumbersome process, especially compared to the relative ease of adding a record discovered through the service where you keep your tree.  As most of your know, when you choose to link a record to someone in your tree, the system automatically (but not infallibly) fills in the information for you and creates a citation to the document/record.   I was hoping for a bit of magic that might relieve me of a few of the extra steps needed when the document/record is discovered elsewhere.  But I appreciate the pointer to the "citation" feature as a critical piece of building a reliable tree and documenting your sources.

As to the copyright issue raised, I admit I hadn't considered that in my question or in my practice.  There is a difference between linking a document to my tree within a site and essentially republishing an image you copied from somewhere else.   I guess I'd assumed that public records such as manifest, draft registration and census images managed by the National Archives or other US agencies were in the public domain regardless of where you find them.  There are other sources – Google Maps and FindAGrave, come readily to mind – where the content is clearly covered by copyright.  I'll leave it to others who have studied these issues to sort out where the scrimmage line is.  But please do it in another thread.

Lee Jaffe

Re: Help with GGfathers name missing on Gfathers Birth certificate #general

Sarah L Meyer

This is the area where some birth records will say child's name surname = mother's maiden name r father's surname.  Did your grandfather have siblings?  If so check their birth records.  Otherwise the only solution is DNA testing.  In this case Y testing from FTDNA may (or may not be) helpful.  Also are there any family stories?  This is really not that different from situations in the US where the father is unknown for whatever reason.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Help translating Yiddish on back of photos #translation

rebekah boerboom

Have you tried contacting the Rabbis in your area?
I had some emails sent to me from Belarus and Russia, in Russian and I contacted a local college here. I found a professor who had spent some years in Russia and was delighted to help for free. He said it was a chance to practice his Russian! 
If you call the universities, ask for the foreign language department or the librarian.

There are some apps that you can download too but it's easier I guess to have someone do it for you. If you don't have a college or Rabbi close to you, the closest one will do.

Re: Mukachevo area births, 1871-1880 #records

Susan H. Sachs

The registrations for Births, Marriages and Deaths in the Mukachevo area, 1871 - 1880 (it was called Munkacs then) though it's in the Ukraine today - are kept in the Archives of Uzhorod (called Ungvar then) now in the Ukraine.    A wonderfully helpful multi-lingual archivist is:
Bela, or Baruch Huber
email: huberbelay@...

I highly recommend him

Best of success!
Susan Sachs
Beit Shemesh, Israel

Re: German labor camps/detention centers in 1933-34 #germany #holocaust

Eleanor Lind

Could you please post how you get reparations files from Germany? My father in law  had a large amount and we would like the details. Lustig in Berlin. Thank you
eleanor Lind

Re: Tips for searching Romanian vital records #romania

Peninah Zilberman

Dear Sarit,

As far as the ship lists you can obtain from Atlit Museum, I believe they have it on line as well

For the Cyprus Camp lists, check with Dorot ha’Hemshehe website

Since your grandparents were born over 100 years ago you can write to the city hall of Bucharest and Hush and get a birth certificate

Husi is in Vaslui County, check on the net their archives address and write to them, in English is ok

Good Luck

Peninah Zilberman


Peninah Zilberman







UK National Archives #unitedkingdom #records

Mark Gilby

I live within a short distance of the National Archives at Kew.  The UK naturalisation records are held there in a series of large volumes.  Names of people recorded in these volumes are indexed through the national archives' Discovery search page - which provides the reference within these records.  For example HO334/108 (volume) and 16434 (page number).

When the Archives are open, I visit at least once per month.  I am allowed 10 volumes per day visit, but rarely order a full series of 10.  Therefore, I am willing to look up records for others whilst I am there.  Send me the record reference (eg HO334/108/16434) and surname (Kauffman) and I will do my best. 

No fees.  That is, whilst the Archive continue to allow research at no cost, I will not charge either.

Mark Gilby

ViewMate translation request - Cyrillic #translation

Nicole Berline

I would like to know the address of the parents on the two birth
records (of siblings) which I posted on ViewMate at the following
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Nicole Berline, France

Re: Looking to hire a genealogist who can help trace ancestors from Germany #germany

Jason Hallgarten

We used Dr. Wolfgang Fritzsche. We were very pleased with him and his work.
Jason Hallgarten

Viewmate Tombstone translation request - Hebrew #translation

Margarita Lacko

I would appreciate an English translation of the tombstone I posted on Viewmate.


The image can be found at the following address


Thank you,


Margarita Lackó

genealogy: © mishpologia@...



CZUKOR - Kács (Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén), Hungary; Berehovo, Ukraine

BLAU - Uzhhorod & Berehovo, Ukraine; Abaújszántó & Miskolc, Hungary

Utah JGS Virtual Meeting - Jan 18 #jgs-iajgs #announcements

Banai Lynn Feldstein

The Utah JGS is having its first virtual meeting of the year on January 18th, 6:30pm Mountain time.

Our speaker will be Janette Silverman, of Ancestry ProGenealogists and former IAJGS board member, presenting Lost in the Shoah: the Rescuing Power of Genealogy.

Register here:

All are welcome, but you are also welcome to become members for only $10 dues. Visit our site to sign up:

Banai Lynn Feldstein
Utah JGS Webmaster
Banai Lynn Feldstein
Professional Genealogist
Salt Lake City, Utah

ViewMate translation request: Yiddish, Russian or German? #translation

Ancestry Mail

I've posted a vital record in a language that might be Yiddish, German or Russian.  (I do not know.)  I need a few small translations. It is on ViewMate at the following 4 addresses:

I have several photos taken in Zagare, Lithuania, around 1875-1900, and 1 in Petrograd, Russia in 1915 (I think).  The back/reverse side of these photos contain text or a stamp containing text that  might include useful information that will help me identify the person in the photograph on the reverse side--e.g., the photographer, the photographer's address, city location, year of business, etc.   
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.
Mark Klass

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