Re: Migration from Suwalki Gubernia To S.C. #poland #lithuania

Debbie Garfunkel Popper

Your great grandfather's nephew, Isaac Wolf Banov, married my great grandmother's sister, Hannah Volaski.  Many Jews migrated to the south for economic opportunities and there were large (relative to the number of Jews in America) Jewish communities in Charleston, Savannah, Columbia, etc.  If you contact me privately, I will be happy to share more details about the family.  

Debbie Garfunkel Popper

Re: Naming Conventions #names

Jill Whitehead

My  great grandparents' first two children who died as infants were George and Julius (named after their grandparents Gershon Joseph and Jacob). After they died, female twins were born called Georgina and Julia. My mother's sister was called Doris Claudia after an Uncle Claude (born Isaac). My father's sister Josephine Edna was named after her grandfather Joseph. And so it goes on.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: I am looking for my stepsister #general


Just to clarify, I think it is a half-sister whom you seek rather than a 'step-sister'. The former is a blood relative and the latter is not. Hope this helps. 
Best Sue Diamond

Witnessing Holocaust History - Launches Today #holocaust #events

Eli Rabinowitz

Witnessing Holocaust History event - today, 27 January 2021


Today World ORT will mark International Holocaust Remembrance Day in a joint initiative with HAMEC - The Holocaust Awareness Museum and Education Center of Philadelphia and the WE ARE HERE! Foundation in Perth, Australia.

ORT students have already taken part in sessions hearing the testimony of Holocaust survivors and learning the consequences of racism, ethnic cleansing and intolerance.


Join us today:

9am US EST

2pm GMT

4pm South Africa and Israel

10pm Perth

1am (28 Jan) Sydney and Melbourne


The 30 minute program will commemorate International Holocaust Remembrance Day, and we will hear more about the impact the survivors' testimonies have had on our students' understanding of the past.

The program will conclude with a compilation of students singing the Partisans’ Song in different languages.

Join us on Zoom via this link:

and at:
The recording and the follow-up programs will be on:
Best regards,
Eli Rabinowitz

Re: Patronymic middle names in western Ukraine #ukraine


Apart from being a Russian custom, it's also a Jewish custom to write down father's name.  It's used for a clearer identification of an individual. However, in some records the patronymics were not written down, or they were written down for men, but not women.  I've seen birth records where only the father's last/first name were present and in the very next record for another child they wrote down father's last, first and, patronymic and the same for the mother of the child, including her maiden name.  This is due to lack of enforcement of rules and a less informal attitude towards the information.
To answer your question about patronymics, it's not about someone using or not using a name.  Everyone had a patronymic, it's just an answer to "what's your father's name, we need to write it down together with your first and last names and your age".  Patronymics were required because Jewish people in that part of the world generally didn't have last names prior to the partition, yet they needed to be identified somehow not just by the tax collector, but also by others in the community.  This was also true for other non-Jewish subjects - commoners didn't have last names up until it was required by law. If there are a few dozen Shevels, how do you tell them apart? You end up with Shevel son of Yankel or Shevel son of Hava, but also nicknames Shevel the readhead, Shevel the baker, Shevel from Charkasy etc.  Eventually, some of these turned into last names.
You said that you googled Polish names, but even though this area was once a part of Poland, majority of the population in the area was not Polish, it was ethnic Ukrainian.  In both Russian and Ukrainian cultures (and all other Slavic countries) it is also common to address someone with their first and patronymic as a sign of respect.  A peasant would address his landowner boss this way, but the courtesy was generally not returned the other way around.
 In 1897 in Zvenigorka (just the city) Ukrainians were 49% of the population, Jews - 38%, Poles - 2%.  In the Zvenigorodka uezd/county (not counting the main city) - Ukrainians - 92%, Jews - 8%, Poles - 1%.  The rules and laws of Russian empire had been in effect for over a hundred years by 1906 and the Polish rules of the 18th century were no longer relevant, just like laws of Mexico were not relevant to Californians in the 1950's, 100 years after the territory became part of the US.

Mike Vayser

Re: Naming Conventions #names

Kevin Brook

In post #655025, Carl Kaplan asked, "Would it be acceptable for males to be named after females, and females after males?"

My great-grandmother Chaska Goldszmid (1886-1969) was named after her grandfather Chaskiel Dzięciołowski (1829-1878). Both of them were members of the Jewish community in Węgrów (modern Poland).

Kevin Brook

Re: JewishGen Talks: Roots of Jews in North Africa: Names and History #JewishGenUpdates

Kevin Brook

Gerson, replying to your post #655050:

Alexander Beider isn't a geneticist but focuses on the origins of names.  At the end of his article "Jews of Berber Origin: Myth or Reality?" in Hamsa, Journal of Judaic and Islamic Studies 3 (2016-March 2017) on pages 38-61, he wrote (on page 61): "Yet, the consideration of the corpus of given names and the linguistic features of Judeo-Arabic dialects shows the absence of the Berber substrata in this corpus and the idioms in question.  This factor makes highly implausible the idea about the genetic contribution of the Berber-speaking ancestors, proselytes or not, being significant for the Judeo-Arabic speaking Jews who lived in modern times in North Africa."

That analysis is useful but not sufficient.  We do need to look at genetic evidence in order to answer this question.

Among Moroccan Jews, who are a diverse lot, their Y-DNA lineages include J1, J2, Q-M342, T-M70, E-V22, L-M342, R1b-M269, R2a, E-L19, E-V13, E-V65, and I2a-Y7219.  Some of their branches of these haplogroups are of Levantine origin, others of European or North African origin.  At least 50% of Moroccan Jews' paternal lines are Levantine (Israelite).

Regarding the theory of Berber ancestry in North African Jews that Beider mentioned in his article and will discuss in his forthcoming lecture, there are some genetic data that contradicts his skepticism.  E-L19 and E-V65 and possibly some varieties of T-M70 in fact are of Berber origin.  A researcher found E-L19 among 10% of Moroccan Jewish men and E-V65 among 1% of them.

1% of Moroccan Jews carry the mtDNA haplogroup L2a1 which they got from Berbers but it was earlier of Sub-Saharan African origin.

Moroccan Jews also have variable signals of Berber ancestry in their autosomal DNA.  It's also noticeable in Tunisian Jews.  In the Eurogenes K36 deep-ancestry calculator, a Tunisian Jew in my research project scores 7.6 percent of the North African element built from Berber reference populations.  Some Berber autosomal DNA is also present in the other Sephardic Jewish groups and even to a more limited extent (ranging from 1 to 4 percent) in all Ashkenazic Jewish groups.

Here's what the geneticist Razib Khan said in his 2020 audio interview with David Shor, whose parents are Moroccan Jews: "I know you have Berbership. Just for the listeners, basically all Sephardic Jews that I've ever looked at, if you put them on a principal component analysis, they're not that different than European Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, the traditional mainstream, but the Moroccan Jews are all shifted towards Berbers, which means that they must have some Berber ancestry."

(Principal component analysis is a technique to analyze autosomal DNA.)

In summary, Moroccan Jews are largely a mixture of Sephardic Jews, Pre-Sephardic Jews, Berbers, and Spaniards.  Those living in more southerly areas of Morocco have more Berber ancestry.

In October 2017, Beider emailed me:
'I don't say that ethnic Berbers did not contribute at all to the formation of the North African Jewry. I just say that:
- this contribution is unlikely to be significant
- arguments proposed by proponents of the theory of "Judeo-Berbers" are not cogent.'

Kevin Alan Brook

Re: News from GenAmi #france

Jean-Luc STRAUSS <jeanluc@...>

PRECISION: for better efficiency in the way we can support you, please connect to the GenAmi site: and input your requests into the contact page: Pour nous contacter... (

Best regards to all of you.
Jean-Luc Strauss, GenAmi Member of the Board, Paris, France

Re: Where are the HIAS archives? #records #general

Rodney Eisfelder

See also the Center for Jewish History in New York:

They have over 700 boxes of HIAS records, mostly post 1954.

I hope this helps,
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia

Re: Naming Conventions #names

Stephen Weinstein

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 05:40 PM, Carl Kaplan wrote:
1. Would it be acceptable for males to be named after females, and females after males?
2. Was it acceptable to name multiple children in the same immediate family after the same relative, using just the first letters of the names?
1. I (male) am named after a man and a woman (my first name for one and my middle name for the other).  My brother (male) is named after a man and a woman (his first name for one and his middle name for the other).  My niece (female) is also named for two different individuals, at least one male.  I don't know if this was "acceptable" or not; but it was done.

2. In some families, when naming for someone of the same gender, even if the English (or secular) name is a different name with only the same first letter, the Hebrew name is the same as that of the other person.  Because siblings can't have the same Hebrew name, they wouldn't be named for the same person if you are using the Hebrew name (not just the first letter) of the person for whom you are naming.
Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, California, USA

Ralph/Raphael Black and Benjamin Black, Manchester 1900-1970 #unitedkingdom

Neil Fraser <neil8fff@...>

Does anyone have information on Ralph/Raphael Black and Benjamin Black
and their businesses in Manchester between 1900 and 1970? Raphael and
Benjamin's parents were Julius and Gertie Black, Russian emigrants.
Julius was a merchant in the Ostrich feather trade in Manchester. In
the 1911 Census the family, plus another son Isaac (born 1906), lived
at 98 Cheetham Hill Road, North Manchester. Sons Ralph/Raphael (born
1909) and Benjamin (born 1902) established their own business and in
the 1939 England and Wales Register were resident at 'Parkfield' (No.
147), Bury Old Road Salford. Ralph/Raphael was a Director and
Benjamin, Manager and Director of the business. Isaac may have been
living in a mental health institution. Benjamin married Pearl Falk in
1944 and died in 1950. At some time Raphael changes his name to Ralph.
Ralph died in Salford in 1972. Any information on the family, and
Ralph in particular, would be greatly appreciated. The information is
requested by Pat Allsopp of Salamander Bay, New South Wales. Posted by
Neil Fraser, on behalf of Pat Allsopp.

Precious Stones of the Jews of Curaçao and History of the Jews of the Netherlands Antilles #sephardic



I am doing research into my family in Curacao and St. Eustatius. I found references to them (Hoheb) in the 2 books listed in the subject. Does anyone have copies and are willing to send me copies of several pages? Thank you in advance for any help you can provide!

Jake Piekarz

Looking for members of the BAUM family, ex-Darlington/Middlesbrough, UK #unitedkingdom

Denise Fletcher

Phyllis FLETCHER (born Sarah, and aka Cissie) was married to Jack Israel BAUM, and they had one son, David, born in 1943 in the UK.  David passed away in 1988, leaving a widow, Helen, and two daughters, Victoria and Catherine.  David was buried in the Middlesbrough Cemetery, but he grew up in Darlington, where both his parents are buried in the West Darlington New Jewish Section Cemetery. 

Phyllis's father Davis FLETCHER was my great-uncle (an older brother to my grandfather Benjamin) and I am keen to make contact with the BAUMS as I am creating a family tree.  I can be contacted on dfletcheroz@...
Denise Fletcher, Sydney Australia

Patronymic middle names in western Ukraine #ukraine

David Mason

I’m researching Kagans and Kogans in the town Zvenigorodka (Звенигородка).  This town belonged to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth until the Second Partition of 1793.  It then landed in Kiev Gubernia.  After the Bolshevik Revolution it was reassigned several times, finally to Cherkasy after this oblast was created in 1954.  There happen to be two other Zvenigorodkas plus two Zvenigorods elsewhere in Ukraine, but Zvenigorodka Cherkasy is by far the largest.  Incidentally, Zvenigorodka is the Russian transliteration.  From Ukrainian, the transliteration becomes Zvenyhorodka although the Cyrillic spelling stays the same.


The last common ancestor of the American and Russian branches of Kagans/Kogans we are reconnecting was Shevel’ Yankelevich Kogan/Kagan, most likely born about 1860.  Shevel’ (Шевель) is the Russian spelling; he was also called Shouel which I assume transliterates Hebrew or Yiddish.


Shevel’ Yankelevich and his apparent father Yankel’ are listed in “All Russia Duma Voter Lists 1906-1907” (  No patronymic middle name is shown for Yankel’.  Googling the subject of Polish names, it appears that they did not use patronymic middle names.  Does this explain why Yankel’  -- probably born in the 1820s to 1830s – still shows no patronymic middle name?  At what point in time did Ashkenazic Jews – those suddenly becoming “Russian” via 18th century partitions – start using patronymic middle names in conformance with Russian custom and laws?


-David Mason, Culver City, CA

Searching for Salo Stern, #germany


I am searching for Salo Stern, born May 16, 1946, Weiden, Germany. His parents - Dawid Stern, b. June 24, 1909, Radomysl Poland, and Bala ??? Stern, b. February 8, 1909, Nisko Poland. Salo and Bala were survivors.  Family first sent to Paraguay, Oct. 1948. Then to Australia.  July 1956, Bala and Salo went to Hawaii, then to San Francisco, Cal. While I'm certain that his parents are gone, Salo would be 74 now. Any clues?? Ideas ?

Neilan Stern
Stern, Pistrong , Stieglitz, Spatz - Radomysl Wielki, Poland;
Black, Schwarz, Bezner - Nesvizh, Belarus;
Aronovsky, Cohen, Portnoy, Entes - Vilijampole, Kovno Lithuania;
Lapin - Vilna, Lithuania;

Re: Please connect me to 2 researchers of ROZENFELD from Miedzyrzec Podlaski #poland


Thank you to those of you who connected me to Barbarasnowak. We were able to connect. I still haven't been able to connect with Inna Feldman.

Thanks again,
Tammy Weingarten
Searching: Lerner, Rozenfeld, Appel, Blumengold, Ajzen, Zilberbarg, Lichtenbarg, Zurtek, Cienki from Miedzyrzec Podlaski and Wisznice

Re: record archiving suggestions? #records #general #france


I use hanging files, having found notebooks too confining.  I save what I can to the computer to reduce the clutter of non-certified paperwork.
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: help finding NY property #usa

Sherri Bobish


Property transfers were published in local newspapers.  I suggest searching your great grandfather's name at this free site of old digitized newspapers, which is very heavy on NY papers:

You can also look in old city / business directories. has a large collection of NYC directories digitized.

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish

ViewMate translation request - Russian Marriage Certificate #translation

Stan Deutsch

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...


Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.


Thank you very much.


Stan Deutsch

Oakland, CA


Re: Naming Conventions #names

Yonatan Ben-Ari

I think an easier and more common example which appears in my family
are parents who only have daughters and call one of their daughters
Meira (after an ancestor Meir) or in the case of my children-all boys-
that the Mohel suggested that one of the boys could be named Dvir (for
an aunt named Dvora). Both names are relatively common in Israel

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

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