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Question about genetic groups on My Heritage & Ancestry #dna #sephardic

joelle.meyer24@...
 

Hello all
One of the question which comes often is how far DNA can trace a portuguese ancestor at least 8 generations ago ?
I remember having read that it is not possible but I cannot put a hand on the article.
In other terms do you all agree that if I am 100% askenazi this does not mean that at 8 th generation away my ancestor could not have been 100 % descending from jews who escaped Portugal after the inquisition ?
Thanks 
Joelle Meyer from Paris, France
Focussed today on my ancestors from Emden and Groningen region and in particular Portuguese ancestor (Henriques, Mousaphia line from Gluckstadt and Hamburg)


Re: Jewish Gen SIG meeting #announcements

David Harrison
 

I do not know where in the world is the country of SF, but in Great Britain, we would prefer meetings in the Americas to be significantly earlier.
David Harrison, Birmingham, UK (or GB) 


From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of Peter Straus <pstrausSF@...>
Sent: 01 February 2021 20:54
To: main@... <main@...>
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Jewish Gen SIG meeting #announcements
 

I don’t know where the epicenter for Jewish Gen is, but a later time on the US West Coast for such meetings would sure be appreciated.

--peter straus/SF


Re: What happened on 7 March 1612 in Poznan? Mass death of Jews #general #poland

Gerson Sher
 

Hi Krzysztof - 

Thanks for your comments. The records - the genealogical records of this particular family tree I have come across - say that many members of this family line perished exactly on 7 March 1612 in Posen/Poznan. Young people, old people. People closely related, people not closely related. The fact that the date is stated so precisely is very unusual in such records. So it was something significant. The only other time I have personally seen such a large number of deaths attributed to a specific day was in a well-documented family tree of Holocaust survivors in Lithuania - in that case, it was apparently a mass execution in October 1941.

We may well ask about the authenticity of these records. It is highly unusual to see a Jewish family tree so well documented, for literally over a thousand years. It's my understanding that some great rabbinical lineages are carefully documented. and what I have found does indeed appear to include and weave around such rabbinic dynasties, where records may well have been kept. All one can see in the trees are dates of birth and death. I'm inclined to assume that at least this much is correct, but it appears to be very hard to trace back to the source.

I agree that in thinking about history we must be based on fact, but facts do not usually jump out by themselves and announce themselves as indisputable fact. History is often about finding links, finding clues, finding patterns, and pursuing bits and pieces of minutiae that may or may not add up to something. And yes, absolutely - without stereotypes.

In this case, I acknowledge, what I have said about whatever happened on 7 March 1612 in Posen/Poznan is conjecture - but not wild conjecture. We know that there was anti-Semitism in Poland both before and after 1612, and much more after. (If we cannot agree on that, there is probably little point in this discussion.) As far as fires in the Jewish quarter of cities, look at the accounts of the Fittmilch rebellion and you'll see multiple pogroms between 1614 and 1616 - the most intense period of the rebellion - involving fires in Jewish quarters. That's what happened in those days. That's fact.  Unfortunately I do not read Polish so I cannot study the Wikipedia link you kindly provided, but does it say anything about what *caused* the fire in 1613? If Jewish quarters in German and Polish cities were going up in flames between 1612 and 1616 as part of a rebellion that victimized Jews, wouldn't it be reasonable to suppose that one such fire in 1613 had similar origins?

Your rhetorical questions about the relationship between Poland and Jews are helpful, but they do not answer themselves. For example, it is well known that certain Polish kings (e.g., Stefan Batory) gave Jews certain privileges and protections. It is known that Jews fleeing Germany in the 14th-15th century were welcomed in Poland by the monarchs. It is known that the Jewish community of Poland was extensive and vibrant. By the same token, it is also known that not everything went so well for the Jews in Poland. Perhaps one could argue that the Khmel'nitsky Uprising was not Polish at all, but Ukrainian, and there's some truth in that, but on my reading of the Khmel'nitsky Uprising, its social origins were in the complaints of the peasanty in present-day eastern Poland about the oppressive taxes of the Polish szlachta nobles, who in turn blamed the Jews who had been delegated by the King to collect taxes from the nobles in order to shelter himself from their wrath. It's all very complicated, indeed. But it's not a completely different story.

Clearly we have different views about these matters. I understand that these issues are very poignant in Poland today. 

Gerson Sher
Washington, DC


JGS of Greater Boston Feb. 21 Virtual Program-Planning A Future for your Family's Past #events

Jessie Klein
 

The JGS of Greater Boston presents Marian Burk Wood speaking on "Planning a Future for your Family's Past".
Feb 21, 1:30PM Eastern Time. Free for JGS of Greater Boston members, $5:00 for non-members. Information at www.jgsgb.org

Jessie Klein
Co-President
JGS Greater Boston 


Re: Help finding location #poland

pathetiq1@...
 

Hi Leah, 
I believe that one of these places is the village you are looking for,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudawka

All three are very close to each other and they are close to Ratzk
--
Giannis Daropoulos 

Greece


Re: The Alter Rebbe Schneur Zalman BORUCHOVITCH of Liadi, founder of Chabad #latvia #rabbinic #russia #belarus

Shlomo Katz
 

My daughter-in-law also has a tradition of being descended from the Alter Rebbe, possibly from his son, the "Mitteler Rebbe," but there is a gap in the line.

Family names in the line between my daughter-in-law and the Alter Rebbe include: HASPEL, ILMER, and GILDEN.

I would appreciate if you shared any useful responses.

Thank you

Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring, MD


Re: great synagogue in london hebrew translation #translation

Michael Sharp
 

The format of the document is that of the marriage authorisation from the Chief Rabbi's Office. Find a Marriage Record | United Synagogue (theus.org.uk)

They may have more information and are working online during the pandemic

The document is not a marriage certificate, more of a license

My understanding is that the Act of Parliament that set up the United Synagogue gave the Chief Rabbi the sole legal authority to approve weddings within the orthodox community. Even today most weddings in the mainstream orthodox community in the UK have still first to be approved by the Chief Rabbi to confirm the halachic status of both partners.

I believe the Great Synagogue was the 'cathedral' synagogue in London, so it may have been preferred to local shteiblach.

It was in Dukes Place in London and destroyed during WW2.

It is described in Zwangill's book Children of the Ghetto
--
Michael Sharp
Manchester UK
michael.sharp@...


Re: Koidanov Massacre of 1941 #belarus

Barbara Davis
 

My family , also comes from Koidanov, although they arrived in the USA in 1905.  I am interested if any of the family remained there.
Thank you,
Barbara Davis docbarb3@...


JGASGP Meeting #announcements

Marilyn Golden
 

Please join us for our next Jewish Genealogical and Archival Society of Greater Philadelphia meeting.

Date:  Sunday, February 7, 2021

Time:  1:00 check in, chat, and schmooze.   Official program starts promptly at 1:30

Producer: Ron Arons, Genealogist and author of three books involving Jewish criminality, genealogical methodology, and data visualization

Emcee: Jordan Auslander, Professional Genealogist, actor, and stand-up comedian. He has entertained at IAJGS conferences for years as MC for JewPardy, leaving audience members laughing uncontrollably, crying, and out of breath.

Ron Arons has been researching his roots for more than 20 years and has traced his ancestors back to Belarus, Lithuania, England, Romania, Poland, and the Ukraine. A former marketing exec in the high-tech world, Ron has authored three books involving Jewish criminality, genealogical methodology, and data visualization. Ron earned degrees from Princeton and the University of Chicago.

 Jordan Auslander is a professional genealogist, actor, and stand-up comedian. He has entertained at IAJGS conferences for years as MC for JewPardy, leaving audience members laughing uncontrollably, crying, and out of breath.

 Show: Game Show - Who Wants to Be a Rothschild?

 Who Wants to Be a Rothschild? This is a game show based on TV's popular show, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? The only difference is that the Rothschild game will have questions pertaining to genealogy (Jewish genealogy in particular), Jewish history, and Jewish culture. The game will have one contestant at a time trying to answer ever more difficult questions. If they miss one, they're out and another contestant will start a new game. The game will be run by Ron Arons and Jordan Auslander all of whom have years of experience with JewPardy!, the IAJGS conference version of Jeopardy!
All meetings are for members only except for March 7th (Beginner's Genealogy). See our website for full details of future programs. www.jgasgp.org. Contact mazergoldenjgsgp@... with any questions.


Re: Future of Holocaust Research In Poland Hinges on Libel Case #holocaust #poland

David Seldner
 

I will never forget that my Grandmother z"l, who had lived in Lodz and survived the Ghetto, Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen told me "The Germans started this whole thing but the Polish happily joined them and were much worse". That you cannot publish historical facts in Poland nowadays is disgusting. Nevertheless, I met very nice and helpful people in Poland.
--
David Seldner, Karlsruhe, Germany
seldner@...


Help finding location #poland

leah
 

Hi,
Looking for a help finding the location of the town "Rudofka". Attached is part of a document (Declaration of Intention) of my father's uncle who immigrated to the USA from Poland in 1925.
Thank you,
Leah Freund
leahfreund@...

KORABELNIK, TAINSKI (TANSKA),    Raczki, Sopotskin, Poland
LAKSER, SPATZ,    Kozlow, Kozowa, Jozefow, Galicia


Re: Jewish Orphanages during WW1 #general

kesspark@...
 

My great Aunt, Dora Keiles worked (1912-1924) at the Lodz Jewish Orphan Society, 38 Polnocna Street. There were 180 children. 


Rachel Park
NYC
KEILES - Vilnius, Lodz, TSIGAR, TOBIAS, ASZ, ELEFAND - Vilnius, KESSLER - Starokonstantinov, LURIE - Dvinsk
DUBIN(sky), NAGIN(sky) - Poltava, ALPERT, SACHS


Re: Russian translation #translation #russia

ryabinkym@...
 

VM89908

In Russian:
#23

г. Прасныж

Состоялось в городе Прасныж 23-го августа 1907 года в 10 часов утра.  Объявляем, что в присутстсвии свидетелей Бенёме Ваковера, 62-х лет и Бенёме Занда, 42-х лет, жителей города Прасныж, оба религиозные служащие, что вчера был заключен религиозный брачный союз между Срулем-Нусеном Филют, вдовцом, 32-х лет, сыном Матыса и Ройзы, урожденной Маюфец, супругов Филют, родившимся в городе Цеханов и живущим в городе Прасныж с Ицкой Маюфец, девицей, 19-и лет, дочерью Шмуля-Йоськи и Марии-Розы, урожденной Пышна, супругов Маюфиц, родившейся и живущей в городе Прасныж.  Браку этому предшествовали троекратное оглашение в Прасныжской синагоге - 4-го, 11-го и 18-го августа сего года.  Дозволение присутстствующих лично при заключении брака и сего акта родителей новобрачных заявлено словесно.  Новобрачные заявили, что предбрачный договор между ними заключен не был.  Религиозный брачный союз был совершен местным равином Менделем Левковичем.  Акт сей по прочтении равином новобрачным и свидетелям, ими и нами подписан. Новобрачные, а также родители невесты заявили, что писать не умеют

Равин Мендель Левкович

Бенёме Ваковер

Бенёме Занд

Бургомистр города Прасныж содержащий акты гражданского состояния       Подпись

Translated into English:

# 23

City of Prasnyzh

It took place in the city of Prasnyzh on 23 August 1907 at 10 am. We declare that in the presence of witnesses Benёme Vakover, 62 years old, and Benёme Zanda, 42 years old, residents of the town of Prasnyzh, both religious officials, that yesterday a religious marriage was concluded between Srul-Nusen Filut, a widower, 32 years old, the son of Matys and Roiza, nee Mayufets, the Filut spouses, who was born in the city of Tsekhanov and lives in the city of Prasnyzh with Itska Mayufets, a damsel of 19 years old, the daughter of Shmul-Yoska and Maria-Rosa, nee Pyshna, the Mayufits spouses, who was born and lives in the town of Prasnyzh. This marriage was preceded by a three-fold announcement in the Prasnyzh synagogue - on the 4th, 11th and 18th August of this year. The permission of the parents of the newlyweds who are present personally at the conclusion of the marriage and this act is declared verbally. The newlyweds said that the prenuptial agreement was not concluded between them. The religious marriage union was carried out by the local rabbi Mendel Levkovich. This act, upon reading by the rabbi to the newlyweds and to witnesses, was signed by them and by us. The newlyweds, as well as the bride's parents, said they could not write.

Ravin Mendel Levkovich

Beneome Wakover

Beneome Sand

Burgomaster of the city Prasnyzh containing acts of civil status Signature

Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Columbus, OH


ViewMate: help identifying military uniform: photograph #photographs

luciana gandelman
 

Dear Genners,
 
I've posted a photograph of two men in military uniform for which I need help identifying the army to which they might belonged to and the probable period of the photograph. 
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
 
 
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
 
Luciana Gandelman
 
Researching
EPPEL (Riga)
ABRAMOVITCH (Riga)
GANDELMAN (Bessarabia)


Re: great synagogue in london hebrew translation #translation

Rodney Eisfelder
 

Arnold,
I read it as 5 Dean Street, St.George [in the] East [London]
http://www.stgitehistory.org.uk/history.html
has links to documents listing the streets in the parish at various years. Dean Street is included in the 1913 list which you can find at
http://www.stgitehistory.org.uk/library/streetlist1913.jpg

Your next question will be, where was Dean street, and what is it called now? I leave that to locals...

I hope this helps,
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia


Re: great synagogue in london hebrew translation #translation

Martyn Woolf
 

Simon Sheratski’s address appears to be Dean Street (E7)which is a fairly long way east of the Great Synagogue. His bride, Dinah Jacobs lived in Jubilee Street (E1) which is also a long way, if not so far.  

 

I have several maps of the East End in the 1890s and there is no other Dean Street or Jubilee Street that I can see.

 

Regards

 

Martyn Woolf

London

NW3

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Russian translation #translation #russia

Laufer, Shmuel
 

A need Russian translation for 5 certificates from Przasnysz. I don't need word-for-word but details such as names, dates, ages, locations, occupations, and so on are very helpful.

 

A marriage certificate of  Israel Natan Filut and Iska Majufes for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89908

birth certificate of Chana Roza Mlawer for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89910

birth certificate of Iska Majufes for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89911


birth certificate of Estera Malka Majufes for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89912

 

birth certificate of Estera Filut for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89913

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

 

 Thanks in advance

  

Shmuel Laufer

Rehovot -Israel

 

 Research: Laufer (Przasnysz, Poland); Domb (Pultusk, Poland); Bruckman (Sarnaki, Poland); Zelazo (Sarnaki, Poland); Preschel (Berhomet, Chernivets'ka, Ukraine), Leder (Berhomet, Chernivets'ka, Ukraine); Schnap (Berhomet, Chernivets'ka, Ukraine); Mitelman (Chelm, Poland); Tenerman (Dubienka, Poland)


US Supreme Court Sides With Germany in Nazi Art Dispute #holocaust #germany #hungary #usa

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

On February 3, 2021 the US Supreme Court ruled unanimously that Germany had sovereign immunity in US Courts from claims over the Guelph Collection of gold crosses, jewels and other religious works from the 11th to the 14th centuries. The collection, is called the Welfenschatz in German.

 

The heirs of the art dealers contended the sale of the works, now said to be worth at least $250 million, was done under pressure. Germany and the state-run foundation that owns the collection, which is on display in Berlin’s Museum of Decorative Arts, argued the case did not belong in American courts. A German commission found the artworks’ sale was made voluntarily and for fair market value. The Supreme Court rejected a suit by the heirs of Nazi-era Jewish art dealers for compensation from Germany for a storied collection of medieval art treasures. The IAJGS Records Access Alert first report on the litigation on December 4, 2020.

 

The nine justices ruled that Germany was protected by the US Foreign Sovereign Immunity Act (FSIA), which insulates foreign governments from lawsuits in US courts, with only a few exceptions Even in the case of “monstrous” abuse, the justices said in their opinion, “We have previously rejected efforts to insert modern human rights law into FSIA exceptions ill-suited to the task.”  The justices said the heirs had not at this point shown that federal law allowed them to bring their case in U.S. courts. The court sent the case back for additional arguments on remaining issues.

 

The Supreme Court did not comment on the merits of the claim that a group of art dealers was illegally forced to sell the collection at reduced prices in 1935 to Prussia then run by Gestapo founder Hermann Goering as Jews were being threatened.

 

Germany argued that the dealers were not robbed in the 1935 sale but simply cut their losses after paying too much for the collection on the eve of the global depression of the early 1930s.

 

Due to the decision on the Guelph treasure the Supreme Court sent a different dispute involving a suit against Hungary back to a lower court for further consideration. That case was filed in 2010 by 14 survivors of the Hungarian Holocaust, including some who survived being sent to the Auschwitz concentration camp. They are seeking to be compensated for property taken from them and their families when they were forced to board trains to concentration camps.

 

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote the opinion for the unanimous court. To read the opinion go to:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/19-351_o7jp.pdf

 

To read more see:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/feb/03/us-supreme-court-germany-nazi-era-art-guelph-collection

 

The heirs previously  for their bid for compensation lost in Germany and tried in the US Courts.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


Re: Jewish Community in Finland #general #russia

Helen Gardner
 

I find it very interesting that Finland had no Jews until the 19th century.
As someone with Polish ancestry, I was totally surprised when I got my mtDNA HVR1 results  to find that I had 154 matches from Finland (plus 54 from Norway and 36 from Sweden).
As I understand it, mtDNA results generally indicate a common ancestor some centuries ago.  Does that mean that my "Finnish" matches actually refer to long ago Russian ancestors?
--
Helen Gardner

ancestral names, all from Poland, mostly Warsaw

AJGENGOLD/EIGENGOLD, BERCHOJER, BLANK, BIALOGORA, BLUMBERG, CHMIELNICKI, FELD, FERNEBOK/FERNSBUN, EDELMAN, FRYDMAN, GELDTRUNK, GURIN, ISSAKOWICH, LAKS, LERMAN, MALIS, MENDER/MONDER, MLYNARZ/MILLER, PODGORER/PODGORSKI, POPOWER, RAUTARBER/ROTGERBERG, RASTENBERG, POSSIBLY PRESSEIZEN


Translation request--RUSSIAN #translation

Joseph Walder
 

I have posted a record in Russian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM89891

It comes from an 1835 revision list and contains information about some members of the Luchansky family of Koshevata, Tarashcha district, Kiev uyezd. I am wondering if there is anything here aside from names and ages.

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

Joseph Walder
Portland, Oregon, USA

8621 - 8640 of 663939