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Re: What happened on 7 March 1612 in Poznan? Mass death of Jews #general #poland

Peter Lobbenberg
 

I was intrigued to note that among those who are said to have died in Posen/Poznan on 7 March 1612 was the eminent Chief Rabbi of the city, Mordecai Joffe or Jaffe [numerous sources].

Peter Lobbenberg, London, UK 


Re: Help finding location #poland

Sherri Bobish
 


Leah,

This JewishGen Communities Database page has info on Raczki, Poland.  
(Alternate name:  Ratzk.)
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-524755

Have you looked at the passenger manifest for your father's uncle?  Perhaps you may find
more clues there?

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Where in the World is Joe LEVINE (stage name: Joe EVANS)?? #events #announcements

Sherri Bobish
 


Looks like Joseph LEVINE who passed on in Australia in Jul 1944 is not the correct person.  This fellow was a pastry cook, and had a wife and children.  See database info below.

Guess we all keep looking!

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
Found on Ancestry in:
Victoria, Australia, Cemetery Records and Headstone Transcriptions, 1844-1997
Name: Joseph Levine
Death Date: 24 Jul 1944
Burial Place: Victoria, Australia
Cemetery: Melbourne
Section: K
Grave Number: 167
Religion: Jewish
Transcription: In cherished memory of Joseph LEVINE beloved husband of Pearl and father of Sonia, Jean, Dora and David died 24 Jul 1944-5704 aged 62 years M.H.D.S.R.I.P. [Jewish inscription]
And: in Victoria, Australia, Wills and Probate Records, 1841-2009

Name: Joseph Levine
Death Date: 24 Jul 1944
Death Place: St Kilda
Occupation: Pastrycook
Grant Date: 31 Aug 1944


Re: Question about genetic groups on My Heritage & Ancestry #dna #sephardic

Sally Bruckheimer
 

"Mitochondrial DNA is suitable for tracing the female line.  It goes back many generations.  I do not have experience with this test, but I expect it is capable of going back further than any Jewish genealogy you might have.  However, most Jewish genealogy follows the patriarchal names.  So, mitochondrial DNA research (the matriarchal line, mother-to-daughter, mother-to-daughter) has limited utility.  Not being sexist.  Just the way it is.  Blame our ancestors and their patriarchal proclivity."

Y-DNA is like mt-DNA, but the all male line. It also doesn't change for centuries, and almost all of the family names disappear in the 19th century sometime. It doesn't matter if it is the all female or all male line, so for genealogy both are useless. If you are a HOROWICZ or another surname that goes back further, they don't go back far enough.

The 'Cohen' gene marker is present in about 50% of men claiming Cohen status - and not in the other 50%. It is also present in some non-Cohen claimants. There is no proof that any gene is a REAL Cohen marker, much less than it came from Cohenim or Sephardim who may or may not have migrated to Eastern Europe. It is undoubtedly true that some Sephardim went to the Ottoman Empire, including Greece and the Balkans, and they may well have intermarried with Ashkenazi living there, but you can't prove anything with 'tantalizing evidence'.

Y-DNA and mt-DNA do not give an answer for what happened 500 or 600 years ago, and they can't tell you if you are Sephardic or anything else.

Sally Bruckheimer
Retired Molecular Biologist
Princeton, NJ


Eckhaus family and area around Kindenheim, Germany #germany

Barbara & David Israel
 

I would like to connect with anyone researching Eckhaus / Eckhouse famiies from the area near Kindenheim, Germany.
I can only get back to my 2nd great grandparents:  Simon Eckhaus (B. abt 1840) and Barbara Koch.
I know they had 7 children:  Abraham, Herman, Henretta, Sigmund, Julius, Bertha, and Johanna.  When family came to
the US, some went to Chicago, some to Baltimore and some to Lafayette, Indiana.
Any ideas of connections in Germany to research would be appreciated.  
 
Barbara Fisher Israel
Tempe, AZ
 
Researching:  Fisher/Fischer, Rindsberg, Eckhaus, Simon, Sadler, Kaufman, Orlowski/Orloff, Mittleberger, Bockman,
and more!!!


Lichtenstein Warsaw and some later Radom, Poland, Russian Empire #poland

Mark Stone
 

Dear Jewish Gen Groups,

 

The family name changed from Lichtenstein to Stone around 1920 after the First World War, as it was very difficult, at that time in England, to have a name that sounded German. My grandfather Mordka Pinkus Lichtensztajn b.13th April 1883 came to London c. 1905 from Warsaw with wife Yette nee Pudelow and one daughter.

 

His father Chaim a second son b.1832, buried Okopowa, WARSAW, November 1913

 

His older brother Ajzyk Lajb Lichtensztajn, b. 1831, buried Okopowa, Feb 1909, known as Rabbi Yitzhak Yehuda

 

Their father, my great, great, grandfather, Szaja Nuta Lichtensztajn b. c. 1792 died 27th January 1857 Warsaw, known as Rabbi Yeshaya Natan.

 

My father told me that we came from a family of Rabbi’s well over sixty years ago. Only since the burial records have been available has it been possible to confirm!

 

I have been trying to make a family tree for the majority of my life.

 

I have much of the family on record, but although sure of my 2nd great grandfather, I have problems with going back and knowing each family and being sure on how they fit.

 

I have never been able to find out about, what must have been a quite well known Rabbinical family in Warsaw, and furthermore I was informed by my late father that we were somehow connected to the small Principality between Switzerland and Austria and Germany. Having been to the Museum in Vaduz, I suspect it probably goes back to

Czech-lands somewhat earlier.

 

Everything I was ever told was always correct, but I cannot trace this. Years before my father was born, he was told as a child, that his father went to the United States, because he was having difficulty in making a living in London. He did not stay, but imagine for me,  the thrill on finding Marks Lichtenstein on Ellis Island website!

 

There are repeating names in the tree Chaim, Mordka, Abraham, Pinkus,  Pinkus Michel, Abram and Golda Szyfra.

 

It makes for terrible confusion!

 

Can anyone help me!

 

With very kind regards

 

Mark Paul Stone (Jewish Gen Member for many years)

 

P S  During lockdown I spent one complete night reading through the Lichtenstein contributors on Jewishgen, but to no avail. Even Covid-19 does not help!

 

 


Feb. 9: CJH Genealogy Coffee Break #events

Moriah Amit
 

Next Tuesday (2/9) at 3:30 pm ET, tune into the Center for Jewish History's Facebook page for the next episode of Genealogy Coffee Break. Want to learn new ways to conduct archival research from home?  We'll discuss Archive Grid, a free resource that will allow you to search archival collections from around the world. There is no registration or log in. To join the live webinar, click "Follow" on the top of the Center's Facebook page and a notification will pop up on your screen when the webinar goes live. Note: If the notification doesn't appear or if you don't have a Facebook account, you can still watch the webinar on our Facebook videos page once it goes live. Catch up on the entire series here.
--
Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Librarian, Center for Jewish History
New York, NY
mamit@...


Re: What happened on 7 March 1612 in Poznan? Mass death of Jews #general #poland

Gerson Sher
 

All -

in a private exchange of messages, a member of this group suggested that I share with the group more detail about what I found. I'm therefore copying/pasting from my response to that member to the entire group.

Thank you very much for your kind note and suggested resources.
 
I must share with you that I had no intention whatsoever of lifting up corners of rugs in Polish history or anywhere... I was following a very interesting genealogy where it led. BTW, it led also to the Maharal of Prague, the Ba'al Ha-Levushim, and even to Rashi (not directly). Once I saw the name of Rashi, I went over to Wikipedia, where there's a statement that his lineage cannot be proved because of a "seven-generation gap" after the expulsion of Jews from France under Philippe le Bel. Well, there's Rashi in the tree. I didn't bother to look further into his direct lineage, but there is certainly a continuous set of links that includes him going back, purportedly to Venice of the first millenium CE, and even farther - if it is to be believed.
 
Do you know any about rabbinic lineages? There seem to be several, specially tagged, in this tree.
 
From my comments you may have gathered that I have some background in history and historical method. That's true, especially in the history of Russia and what we used to call Eastern Europe. The latter is a little spottier but it's by no means trivial. One of my favorite genres of literature, both fiction and non, is the role of falsehood in history - e.g., Barbara Tuchman, Umberto Ecco...
 
What I find fascinating about genealogy is precisely where it leads you historically, if you're at all curious. I wasn't happy to find what I found about that day in March 1612...
 
I'm probably not going to pursue these leads (and I actually came across some of them myself), but am most grateful for your message and your interest.
 
 
 
Gerson Sher
Washington, DC


Re: Correcting Misinformation on the Latvia Vital Records Datbase vs. Usdin Website. #courland #latvia

David Brostoff
 

On Feb 5, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Marion Werle <canadagenes@...> wrote:

Please see the updated introduction to the Latvia Vital Records Database at https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/latvia/latviavitalrecords.html .
At the above link, under "The Format of the Vital Records," it says, "The left side is completed in Russian [or very occasionally in German, in the case of Courland]; and on the facing page the same data is entered in Hebrew."

A minor question, but is the data on the facing page entered in Hebrew or Yiddish?

Thank you,

David

--
David Brostoff
Berkeley, Calif.


Re: Virgin buys 23andMe #announcements

JoAnne Goldberg
 

Since the beginning, 23andMe has made no secret of the fact that their
primary goal is partnering with biotech/bigpharma to discover targeted
therapies. (They are a local company for me, and I have had these
conversations with two of their senior scientists -- people I know
through other connections.)

Fact is, that collecting ~$100 to analyze DNA and provide customers with
ongoing access to the platform was never going to be a viable long-term
business model. If not for 80% of their customers opting to share data,
the company would be in much worse shape.
--
JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN,  DANIEL  -- Rhineland, Germany

 


Re: Question about genetic groups on My Heritage & Ancestry #dna #sephardic

kdomeshek@...
 

There are three main types of DNA tests.  The replies so far have dealt mainly with autosomal, which is good for about 3-4 generations back.  After that, the signal-to-noise ratio in the test becomes problematic.  Also, Ashkenazim have a high incidence of endogamous DNA.  That contributes to frequent false positives when the autosomal test attempts to go back further than about 3 generations.  The response from "Sally B" above gave the correct math and referenced this limitation associated with endogamy.  Test agencies are trying to sell DNA kits, so their marketing literature is not likely to feature these autosomal test limitations.

Mitochondrial DNA is suitable for tracing the female line.  It goes back many generations.  I do not have experience with this test, but I expect it is capable of going back further than any Jewish genealogy you might have.  However, most Jewish genealogy follows the patriarchal names.  So, mitochondrial DNA research (the matriarchal line, mother-to-daughter, mother-to-daughter) has limited utility.  Not being sexist.  Just the way it is.  Blame our ancestors and their patriarchal proclivity.

A reply from "vivs" above mentioned Y-DNA.  This traces the patriarchal line, which is father-to-son, father-to-son, and so one.  As long as the direct patriarchal line is not interrupted with a daughter (which breaks the Y-DNA transfer to the male in the next generation), this DNA can prove a common male ancestor existed going back thousands of years.  It is easily capable of confirming a genetic relationship among males before the end of the patronymic period (circa 1750-1800).  Again, the limitation will be the genealogy, as precious few Jewish genealogical records reach into the patronymic period.  You may uncover conclusive proof of a close genetic relationship between two males using Y-DNA, but the genealogy may not be sufficient to tell you how or exactly when those two males had a common male ancestor.  You probably will never learn the name of that common male ancestor, if you have to go into patronymics.

You asked about Portugal vs Ashkenazim.  Portugal and Spain are usually Sephardic.  There are Y-DNA markers that are associated with Sephardic ancestry, but I do not have sufficient knowledge to confidently explain it.  I am participating in research that involves 150 Jews with oral history of being Ashkenazim and cohens, who have been proven by Y-DNA to descend from a cohanim line that started with an unidentified common male ancestor in biblical Israel, circa 500 BCE.  This research is being led by serious geneticists who make me a novice.  There is tantalizing evidence of a Sephardic connection in some of this DNA, despite the overwhelming preponderance of Ashkenazic ancestry among these 150 participants.  A plausible explanation is a Sephardic line of cohanim left Spain/Portugal in circa 1492 or thereafter, intermarried with Eastern European Jews who were probably also cohanim, and became comingled with Ashkenazic DNA.  If it can happen in this DNA study, it can happen in your situation, too.

Ken Domeshek.  (FTDNA project administrator, but not representing or compensated by Family Tree DNA)


Re: Virgin buys 23andMe #announcements

Cindy Zsenai
 

Subject: Re: Virgin buys 23andMe
Does this mean those of us who have reaped such wonderful genealogical benefit from 23andMe will see less and less opportunities for research and discovery of our ancestral lines due to lessened new research by the company?
Cindy Rosenberg Zsenai 


Re: location of Givozits? #general

David Harrison
 

Dear Saul
Most of Galicia was in Poland and will be found in the book Jewish Roots by Miriam Weiner  ISBN 0-96565-080-4,  but I can not find the two towns in it.
David Harrison, UK


From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of Saul via groups.jewishgen.org <flatsaul=aol.com@...>
Sent: 03 February 2021 19:21
To: main@... <main@...>
Subject: [JewishGen.org] location of Givozits? #general
 
I’m trying to research my parents and great grandparents. I was told by my Mother that
they lived in Givozits also mentioning Galicia,Kolomya and Bukovina. ( This must be a city , state, geographic area thing.)
I’m not sure which country database to use while researching the Jewishgen site.
   Thank you,
Saul Joseph David

researching Brecher and Sabat(h)


Re: Russian translation #translation #russia

ryabinkym@...
 

In Russian:

#166

г. Прасныж

Состоялось в городе Прасныж 10-го (22) декабря 1879 года в 3 часа дня.  Явился лично Срул-Нусен Филют, слесарь, 25-лет, житель города Прасныж, в присутстсвии свидетелей Бенема Ваковера, 63-х лет и Бенема Занд, 46-и лет, оба религиозные служащие, жителей города Прасныж и предъявили нам младенца -девочку, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Прасныж 10-го мая 1908 года в 8 часов утра от законной жены Гени, урожденной Маюфец,19-и лет.  Девочке этой дасно имя Эстера-Малка.  Опоздание в заявлении сего акта произошло по оплошности родителей.  Акт сей по прочтении ими и нами подписан. Отец ребенка заявил, что писать не умеет.

Бенема Ваковер

Бенема Занд

Бургомистр города Прасныж содержащий акты гражданского состояния       Подпись

Translated into English:

town of Prasnyzh

It took place in the town of Prasnyzh on December 10 (22), 1879 at 3 pm. Srul-Nusen Filyut, a locksmith, 25 years old, a resident of the town of Prasnyzh, personally appeared, in the presence of witnesses Benema Vakover, 63 years old, and Benema Zand, 46 years old, both religious workers, residents of the town of Prasnyzh, and presented us a baby girl, announcing that she was born in the city of Prasnyzh on May 10, 1908 at 8 o'clock in the morning from Genya's legal wife, nee Mayufets, 19 years old. This girl's name is Ester-Malka. The delay in the statement of this act was due to an oversight of the parents. After reading this act, they and we signed it. The child's father said that he could not write.

Benema Wackover

Benema Sand

Burgomaster of the city Prasnyzh containing acts of civil status Signature

Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Columbus, OH


Lecture: "The Jews of Iran" on February 7th #announcements

Stanley Diamond
 

I am pleased to share this link, part of a lecture series sponsored by my synagogue in Montreal.

Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.   
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
 

 
 
Due to the overwhelming response,
this event will be moved from Zoom to YouTube Live.

Please click the YouTube LIVE link below to join the Speakers Series.

Joseph Imani was born in Akhora, Iran in 1948. He moved to Israel in 1967 and attended Technion University where he studied electrical engineering. Joseph finished his degree in 1972 and then worked as an engineer for 5 years in Israel. Joseph, his wife, and his daughter moved back to Iran in 1976.

However, after Khomeini's revolution broke out in 1979, Joseph and his family made the tough decision of trying to escape Iran with his wife and 2 children. After getting caught by the revolutionary guards and spending 6 months in jail, he was freed only after promising never to escape Iran again. However, wanting to provide a better life for his family, they attempted to escape again in 1985, and this time were successful.

After a couple of years of searching for a new place to live (going through Turkey, Switzerland, and Italy) Joseph and his family ended up in Toronto in 1987. Since then, he worked as a professional engineer in the electronic industry. He received 2 degrees from the University of Toronto in engineering management and project management.

While in Toronto, Joseph has been an active member in the Persian Jewish community organizing events for the Persian Jews. Joseph lives in Toronto with his wife, 3 kids and 9 grandchildren.
Shaare Zion Congregation
5575 Cote Saint Luc Road
Montreal, QC H3X 2C9


Re: Question about genetic groups on My Heritage & Ancestry #dna #sephardic

m_tobiasiewicz@...
 

Hi Sally!
How do you create a relationship/DNA chart and how do you put a chart in Files? Which gen program are you using?
Most of us are not familiar with that and your answer would be most helpful!
--
Maryellen Tobiasiewicz
family from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
Gorlice powiat Poland
Lviv Oblast Ukraine


Re: Koidanov Massacre of 1941 #belarus

Chicago Bubby
 

I am also interested in this information as I too have family from there on two sides of my family. Names are Pollakoff (Pollack in the US) and Rubin. 

Is there a link as to where the Yizkor book and can be found? Thank you.

Cyndee Meystel 
Chicago, IL 
cmeyssub@... 


Re: Russian translation #translation #russia

ryabinkym@...
 

VM89912

In Russian:

#159

г. Прасныж

Состоялось в городе Прасныж 10-го (22) декабря 1879 года в 3 часа дня.  Явился лично Шмуль-Йосек Гилович Маюфец, сапожник, 37-и лет, житель города Прасныж, в присутстсвии свидетелей Янкеля-Ицика Ваковера, торговца, 56-и лет и Ицки-Йоськи Вольфовича Занд, религиозного служащего, 38-и лет, жителей города Прасныж и предъявили нам младенца -девочку, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Прасныж 4-го (16) ноября текущего года в 6 часов утра от законной жены Марии Абрамовны, урожденной Пышна, 32-х лет.  Девочке этой дасно имя Эстер-Малкаи при том объявили, что опоздание в заявлении сего акта последовало по причине болезни ребенка.  Акт сей по прочтении ими и нами подписан. Отец ребенка заявил, что писать не умеет.

Янкель Ваковер

Ицка-Йоська Занд

Бургомистр города Прасныж содержащий акты гражданского состояния       Подпись

Translated into English:

# 159

City of Prasnyzh

It took place in the town of Prasnyzh on December 10 (22), 1879 at 3 pm. Shmul-Yosek Gilovich (son of Gila) Mayufets, a shoemaker, 37 years old, a resident of the city of Prasnyzh, personally appeared in the presence of witnesses Yankel-Itsik Vakover, a merchant, 56 years old, and Itski-Yoski Volfovich (son of Volf)  Zand, a religious employee, 38 years old, residents of the city Prasnyzh and presented us with a baby-girl, announcing that she was born in the city of Prasnyzh on November 4 (16) of this year at 6 am from the legal wife of Maria Abramovna (daughter of Abram), nee Pyshna, 32 years old. This girl was given the name Esther-Malka and it was announced that the delay in the statement of this act was due to illness  of child. After reading this act, they and we signed it. The child's father said that he could not write.

Yankel Wakover

Itska-Yoska Sand

Burgomaster of the city Prasnyzh containing acts of civil status Signature

Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Columbus, OH


Correcting Misinformation on the Latvia Vital Records Datbase vs. Usdin Website. #courland #latvia

Marion Werle
 

Please see the updated introduction to the Latvia Vital Records Database at https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/latvia/latviavitalrecords.html . This should correct the omgoing misconception that you need to go to the Usdin website to retrieve her translations of Latvian vital records, almost all of which (with the exception of some Riga vital records which she did not live long enough to translate) are included in the JewishGen Latvia database.
--
Marion Werle
Co-Director, Latvia Research Division
<canadagenes@...>


Re: Question about genetic groups on My Heritage & Ancestry #dna #sephardic

R Jaffer
 

With luck of the DNA lottery, availability of historical records that allow you to create a tree, and knowledge of women's birth names if the match is through a woman, I have learned that it is possible to find cousins up to 5th cousins once removed. I have one Jewish match that I can prove to the mutual ancestor being my 3rd gg born c 1775 and died in 1840 in Khotin, Bessarabia. On FTDNA my match shares 105 cM with a long string of 43. For the same person MyHeritage reports 85.9 cM with a long string of 42.7 cM. Jewish matches are generally limited to about 4th cousins due to the lack of surnames before c 1800 and a lack of historical documents. 

For the Christian side of my family which arrived in the US in the 17th and 18th centuries and for whom there are surnames in that time frame, I have two matches to the same MRC ancestor, a 4th gg who lived c1705-1767. For one match I share only one segment, but it is 105 cM long. For the other 5th cousin once removed we share only 45 cM with a long string of 16 cM. I have other matches to this same gg, but early documents, i.e. birth/baptism, are missing to prove the direct descendancy and our relationship. I also have a paper trail for a cousin who shares my 5th gg who lived c.1720-1783, but that is only because they were Quakers for whom there are great marriage and birth records available online. We share only 32 cM and a long string of 14 cM. I only found this cousin because he had listed an extensive list of surnames with places, and I was searching based on surnames rather than shared DNA or length of segments.

If historical records are available for your family and you have an extensive tree, test cousins or aunts and uncles to help with the DNA inheritance issue for better luck in finding cousins.

Roberta Jaffer
Massachusetts
searching for Weinberg, Freedman, and Konop from Khotin District of Bessarabia, now Moldova and Ukraine

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