Re: Looking for members of theMiller family from Grojec, SW of Warsaw, Poland #poland #warsaw #general

Amit Gnatek

Hey Angel,
I'm the town leader of Grojec in JRI-Poland.
Please write to my personal email and I'll help you with your search.
Best Regards,
Amit Gnatek

Who married my aunt in Bedzin? #poland #general

Roger Lampert


I’ve posted a wedding photo on Viewmate , It is my aunt Fela (aka Fajgla) whose maiden name was PRZYROWSKI. She was from Bedzin and it must have been taken in the early 1920s. It was sent to my grandfather in the UK. Presumably they would have also have sent copies to the other parts of the family who were called LEWKOWICZ and WILMAN. If anyone recognises the chap that she married, can they please let me know. Her married name is the key to finding out what happened to her family. Thanks. Roger Lampert

Need help translating Hebrew on gravestones & memorial plaques #canada #translation

Chloe Kogan

Hello! This is my first post to the Group and I'm so excited and hopeful that someone may be able to help with these translations. I am working to trace my late father's family history. In order to progress further, I'm hoping to have the attached 3 gravestones and 2 memorial plaques translated from the Hebrew inscriptions into English:

  • The 2 memorial plaques are for my late great-uncle, David Fisher (of blessed memory) -- in Massachusetts.
  • The first gravestone is for my grandfather, Joseph Kogan (of blessed memory) -- in Montreal, QC, Canada.
  • The second gravestone is for Joe's eldest child, Mortimor Kogan (of blessed memory), my half-uncle -- in Montreal, QC, Canada.
  • The third gravestone is, I believe, for Motimor's maternal grandmother, Rose Vineberg (of blessed memory) -- in Montreal, QC, Canada.
I would greatly appreciate any help you could offer with translating these texts! I'm afraid these were photos I was able to find online, and I'm not nearby any of them to go and take better/closer photos. I hope the quality is good enough to read them clearly.

I'm working on tracing the previous generation, Joseph's parents (from Ukraine, we believe) and David's parents (Lithuania, we believe), and knowing all their Hebrew names would be of tremendous value in my research. So thank you!

Chloe Kogan (currently in Arizona, USA; originally from Montreal, QC, Canada)

Re: #dna Question about genetic groups on My Heritage & Ancestry #sephardic #dna

Kevin Brook

For clarification: In message #655542, when I wrote about identifying Sephardic DNA in non-Jews, obviously I meant when a strand of DNA is simultaneously found in those kinds of non-Jews and in at least one Jewish population. So I should have added the word "also" into my phrase "to find it matching non-Jewish communities".

Kevin Brook

Re: location of Givozits? #general

Leon Goliger

Gwodziec is currently located in the Ukraine near Ivano-Frankivsk. 
Leon Goliger

Looking for members of theMiller family from Grojec, SW of Warsaw, Poland #poland #warsaw #general


Looking for members of the Miller family of Grojec, SW of Warsaw, in Poland. There are a lot of records of the Miller's in Jewishgen up to the 1870s, and would like to know about close relatives of my grandmother Zysla, born in 1884 and her family. Zysla Miller, her 5 children and her husband Moshe Zangier left Grojec and settled around 1925 in Montefiore, a colony of the JCA of baron Hirsch in Argentina, before moving to Buenos Aires around 1936. The only Miller relative of my grandmother I remember was a sailor in white uniform that came to Buenos Aires around the 1950s. He was with ZIM, the Israeli shipping company, had survived the Holocaust and moved to Israel.

Angel Kosfiszer

Richardson, Texas

Re: #dna Question about genetic groups on My Heritage & Ancestry #sephardic #dna

Kevin Brook

The Ancestry and MyHeritage DNA genetic groups sometimes successfully distinguish between Ashkenazic sub-populations such as Litvak versus Galitzianer.  For example, MyHeritage correctly assigns my father to its primarily Belarus and Lithuania clusters and my mother to its primarily Poland and Ukraine clusters.  They also got assigned several additional Ashkenazic clusters that are more generic or mixed, and a portion of my father's DNA to their "Sephardic Jewish-North Africa" group.  But as early uploaders we didn't have to pay anything to receive these estimated assignments.

Jill Whitehead has a good idea that if you really want to pay for additional analysis, a specialist might be the one to choose instead.

There aren't any pure Sephardic individuals alive today, genetically speaking.  Modern Turkish Jews are a combination of Sephardic Jews, Romaniote Jews, Italki Jews, and Ashkenazic Jews.  Modern Bulgarian Jews are likewise a Sephardic-Ashkenazic mix.  Modern Moroccan Jews are a combination of Sephardic Jews with pre-1492 Jews including Berber Jews (the French author
Julien Cohen-Lacassagne isn't entirely wrong on this point).  Modern Syrian Jews are a combination of Sephardic Jews with pre-1492 Middle Eastern Jewish ethnicities.  The only way to reliably identify a portion of DNA as Sephardic is to find it matching non-Jewish communities of Sephardic descendants that were isolated from practicing Jews for centuries, such as those from the Azores, the Philippines, Peru, or Cuba.  None of the big companies tried to do it in that way, hence all the false positives and false negatives to their "Sephardic" categories.

Kevin Alan Brook

Record from Iasi, Romania #records #romania #israel

Ozzy Bernstein


This has 2 parts. I've recently discovered that my great grandfather immigrated to Palestine in the 1890s from Iasi, Romania. Though I may have found a record of his parents in the JewishGen database, I could not find a record of himself. His surname was Vecsler and his first name was Noach - I'm not even sure how that would be written in Romanian to be quite honest.
Does anyone here know of any other online resources be it databases or by email request, for Iasi or the surrounding areas of Romania between 1865 and 1900? I know there is a online portal for the Arhives Le Nationale of Romania but I cannot figure out how to set up a user account.
Secondly, I have searched for resources on late 1800s immigration to Israel - after 1885 for sure - but wasn't fruitful. Does anyone know of any place in specific that would have these archives. It would be immigration papers under Ottoman rule. All I know is that my grandfather got married after he came to Palestine, that his father's name was Moses and that he studied in the Kollel Romania-Bucharest in Jerusalem through 1921. He died in 1935.

Thank you.

Ozzy Bernstein

Re: What happened on 7 March 1612 in Poznan? Mass death of Jews #general #poland

Peter Lobbenberg

I was intrigued to note that among those who are said to have died in Posen/Poznan on 7 March 1612 was the eminent Chief Rabbi of the city, Mordecai Joffe or Jaffe [numerous sources].

Peter Lobbenberg, London, UK 

Re: Help finding location #poland

Sherri Bobish


This JewishGen Communities Database page has info on Raczki, Poland.  
(Alternate name:  Ratzk.)

Have you looked at the passenger manifest for your father's uncle?  Perhaps you may find
more clues there?


Sherri Bobish

Re: Where in the World is Joe LEVINE (stage name: Joe EVANS)?? #events #announcements

Sherri Bobish

Looks like Joseph LEVINE who passed on in Australia in Jul 1944 is not the correct person.  This fellow was a pastry cook, and had a wife and children.  See database info below.

Guess we all keep looking!


Sherri Bobish
Found on Ancestry in:
Victoria, Australia, Cemetery Records and Headstone Transcriptions, 1844-1997
Name: Joseph Levine
Death Date: 24 Jul 1944
Burial Place: Victoria, Australia
Cemetery: Melbourne
Section: K
Grave Number: 167
Religion: Jewish
Transcription: In cherished memory of Joseph LEVINE beloved husband of Pearl and father of Sonia, Jean, Dora and David died 24 Jul 1944-5704 aged 62 years M.H.D.S.R.I.P. [Jewish inscription]
And: in Victoria, Australia, Wills and Probate Records, 1841-2009

Name: Joseph Levine
Death Date: 24 Jul 1944
Death Place: St Kilda
Occupation: Pastrycook
Grant Date: 31 Aug 1944

Re: Question about genetic groups on My Heritage & Ancestry #dna #sephardic

Sally Bruckheimer

"Mitochondrial DNA is suitable for tracing the female line.  It goes back many generations.  I do not have experience with this test, but I expect it is capable of going back further than any Jewish genealogy you might have.  However, most Jewish genealogy follows the patriarchal names.  So, mitochondrial DNA research (the matriarchal line, mother-to-daughter, mother-to-daughter) has limited utility.  Not being sexist.  Just the way it is.  Blame our ancestors and their patriarchal proclivity."

Y-DNA is like mt-DNA, but the all male line. It also doesn't change for centuries, and almost all of the family names disappear in the 19th century sometime. It doesn't matter if it is the all female or all male line, so for genealogy both are useless. If you are a HOROWICZ or another surname that goes back further, they don't go back far enough.

The 'Cohen' gene marker is present in about 50% of men claiming Cohen status - and not in the other 50%. It is also present in some non-Cohen claimants. There is no proof that any gene is a REAL Cohen marker, much less than it came from Cohenim or Sephardim who may or may not have migrated to Eastern Europe. It is undoubtedly true that some Sephardim went to the Ottoman Empire, including Greece and the Balkans, and they may well have intermarried with Ashkenazi living there, but you can't prove anything with 'tantalizing evidence'.

Y-DNA and mt-DNA do not give an answer for what happened 500 or 600 years ago, and they can't tell you if you are Sephardic or anything else.

Sally Bruckheimer
Retired Molecular Biologist
Princeton, NJ

Eckhaus family and area around Kindenheim, Germany #germany

Barbara & David Israel

I would like to connect with anyone researching Eckhaus / Eckhouse famiies from the area near Kindenheim, Germany.
I can only get back to my 2nd great grandparents:  Simon Eckhaus (B. abt 1840) and Barbara Koch.
I know they had 7 children:  Abraham, Herman, Henretta, Sigmund, Julius, Bertha, and Johanna.  When family came to
the US, some went to Chicago, some to Baltimore and some to Lafayette, Indiana.
Any ideas of connections in Germany to research would be appreciated.  
Barbara Fisher Israel
Tempe, AZ
Researching:  Fisher/Fischer, Rindsberg, Eckhaus, Simon, Sadler, Kaufman, Orlowski/Orloff, Mittleberger, Bockman,
and more!!!

Lichtenstein Warsaw and some later Radom, Poland, Russian Empire #poland

Mark Stone

Dear Jewish Gen Groups,


The family name changed from Lichtenstein to Stone around 1920 after the First World War, as it was very difficult, at that time in England, to have a name that sounded German. My grandfather Mordka Pinkus Lichtensztajn b.13th April 1883 came to London c. 1905 from Warsaw with wife Yette nee Pudelow and one daughter.


His father Chaim a second son b.1832, buried Okopowa, WARSAW, November 1913


His older brother Ajzyk Lajb Lichtensztajn, b. 1831, buried Okopowa, Feb 1909, known as Rabbi Yitzhak Yehuda


Their father, my great, great, grandfather, Szaja Nuta Lichtensztajn b. c. 1792 died 27th January 1857 Warsaw, known as Rabbi Yeshaya Natan.


My father told me that we came from a family of Rabbi’s well over sixty years ago. Only since the burial records have been available has it been possible to confirm!


I have been trying to make a family tree for the majority of my life.


I have much of the family on record, but although sure of my 2nd great grandfather, I have problems with going back and knowing each family and being sure on how they fit.


I have never been able to find out about, what must have been a quite well known Rabbinical family in Warsaw, and furthermore I was informed by my late father that we were somehow connected to the small Principality between Switzerland and Austria and Germany. Having been to the Museum in Vaduz, I suspect it probably goes back to

Czech-lands somewhat earlier.


Everything I was ever told was always correct, but I cannot trace this. Years before my father was born, he was told as a child, that his father went to the United States, because he was having difficulty in making a living in London. He did not stay, but imagine for me,  the thrill on finding Marks Lichtenstein on Ellis Island website!


There are repeating names in the tree Chaim, Mordka, Abraham, Pinkus,  Pinkus Michel, Abram and Golda Szyfra.


It makes for terrible confusion!


Can anyone help me!


With very kind regards


Mark Paul Stone (Jewish Gen Member for many years)


P S  During lockdown I spent one complete night reading through the Lichtenstein contributors on Jewishgen, but to no avail. Even Covid-19 does not help!



Feb. 9: CJH Genealogy Coffee Break #events

Moriah Amit

Next Tuesday (2/9) at 3:30 pm ET, tune into the Center for Jewish History's Facebook page for the next episode of Genealogy Coffee Break. Want to learn new ways to conduct archival research from home?  We'll discuss Archive Grid, a free resource that will allow you to search archival collections from around the world. There is no registration or log in. To join the live webinar, click "Follow" on the top of the Center's Facebook page and a notification will pop up on your screen when the webinar goes live. Note: If the notification doesn't appear or if you don't have a Facebook account, you can still watch the webinar on our Facebook videos page once it goes live. Catch up on the entire series here.
Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Librarian, Center for Jewish History
New York, NY

Re: What happened on 7 March 1612 in Poznan? Mass death of Jews #general #poland

Gerson Sher

All -

in a private exchange of messages, a member of this group suggested that I share with the group more detail about what I found. I'm therefore copying/pasting from my response to that member to the entire group.

Thank you very much for your kind note and suggested resources.
I must share with you that I had no intention whatsoever of lifting up corners of rugs in Polish history or anywhere... I was following a very interesting genealogy where it led. BTW, it led also to the Maharal of Prague, the Ba'al Ha-Levushim, and even to Rashi (not directly). Once I saw the name of Rashi, I went over to Wikipedia, where there's a statement that his lineage cannot be proved because of a "seven-generation gap" after the expulsion of Jews from France under Philippe le Bel. Well, there's Rashi in the tree. I didn't bother to look further into his direct lineage, but there is certainly a continuous set of links that includes him going back, purportedly to Venice of the first millenium CE, and even farther - if it is to be believed.
Do you know any about rabbinic lineages? There seem to be several, specially tagged, in this tree.
From my comments you may have gathered that I have some background in history and historical method. That's true, especially in the history of Russia and what we used to call Eastern Europe. The latter is a little spottier but it's by no means trivial. One of my favorite genres of literature, both fiction and non, is the role of falsehood in history - e.g., Barbara Tuchman, Umberto Ecco...
What I find fascinating about genealogy is precisely where it leads you historically, if you're at all curious. I wasn't happy to find what I found about that day in March 1612...
I'm probably not going to pursue these leads (and I actually came across some of them myself), but am most grateful for your message and your interest.
Gerson Sher
Washington, DC

Re: Correcting Misinformation on the Latvia Vital Records Datbase vs. Usdin Website. #courland #latvia

David Brostoff

On Feb 5, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Marion Werle <canadagenes@...> wrote:

Please see the updated introduction to the Latvia Vital Records Database at .
At the above link, under "The Format of the Vital Records," it says, "The left side is completed in Russian [or very occasionally in German, in the case of Courland]; and on the facing page the same data is entered in Hebrew."

A minor question, but is the data on the facing page entered in Hebrew or Yiddish?

Thank you,


David Brostoff
Berkeley, Calif.

Re: Virgin buys 23andMe #announcements

JoAnne Goldberg

Since the beginning, 23andMe has made no secret of the fact that their
primary goal is partnering with biotech/bigpharma to discover targeted
therapies. (They are a local company for me, and I have had these
conversations with two of their senior scientists -- people I know
through other connections.)

Fact is, that collecting ~$100 to analyze DNA and provide customers with
ongoing access to the platform was never going to be a viable long-term
business model. If not for 80% of their customers opting to share data,
the company would be in much worse shape.
JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535


Re: Question about genetic groups on My Heritage & Ancestry #dna #sephardic


There are three main types of DNA tests.  The replies so far have dealt mainly with autosomal, which is good for about 3-4 generations back.  After that, the signal-to-noise ratio in the test becomes problematic.  Also, Ashkenazim have a high incidence of endogamous DNA.  That contributes to frequent false positives when the autosomal test attempts to go back further than about 3 generations.  The response from "Sally B" above gave the correct math and referenced this limitation associated with endogamy.  Test agencies are trying to sell DNA kits, so their marketing literature is not likely to feature these autosomal test limitations.

Mitochondrial DNA is suitable for tracing the female line.  It goes back many generations.  I do not have experience with this test, but I expect it is capable of going back further than any Jewish genealogy you might have.  However, most Jewish genealogy follows the patriarchal names.  So, mitochondrial DNA research (the matriarchal line, mother-to-daughter, mother-to-daughter) has limited utility.  Not being sexist.  Just the way it is.  Blame our ancestors and their patriarchal proclivity.

A reply from "vivs" above mentioned Y-DNA.  This traces the patriarchal line, which is father-to-son, father-to-son, and so one.  As long as the direct patriarchal line is not interrupted with a daughter (which breaks the Y-DNA transfer to the male in the next generation), this DNA can prove a common male ancestor existed going back thousands of years.  It is easily capable of confirming a genetic relationship among males before the end of the patronymic period (circa 1750-1800).  Again, the limitation will be the genealogy, as precious few Jewish genealogical records reach into the patronymic period.  You may uncover conclusive proof of a close genetic relationship between two males using Y-DNA, but the genealogy may not be sufficient to tell you how or exactly when those two males had a common male ancestor.  You probably will never learn the name of that common male ancestor, if you have to go into patronymics.

You asked about Portugal vs Ashkenazim.  Portugal and Spain are usually Sephardic.  There are Y-DNA markers that are associated with Sephardic ancestry, but I do not have sufficient knowledge to confidently explain it.  I am participating in research that involves 150 Jews with oral history of being Ashkenazim and cohens, who have been proven by Y-DNA to descend from a cohanim line that started with an unidentified common male ancestor in biblical Israel, circa 500 BCE.  This research is being led by serious geneticists who make me a novice.  There is tantalizing evidence of a Sephardic connection in some of this DNA, despite the overwhelming preponderance of Ashkenazic ancestry among these 150 participants.  A plausible explanation is a Sephardic line of cohanim left Spain/Portugal in circa 1492 or thereafter, intermarried with Eastern European Jews who were probably also cohanim, and became comingled with Ashkenazic DNA.  If it can happen in this DNA study, it can happen in your situation, too.

Ken Domeshek.  (FTDNA project administrator, but not representing or compensated by Family Tree DNA)

Re: Virgin buys 23andMe #announcements

Cindy Zsenai

Subject: Re: Virgin buys 23andMe
Does this mean those of us who have reaped such wonderful genealogical benefit from 23andMe will see less and less opportunities for research and discovery of our ancestral lines due to lessened new research by the company?
Cindy Rosenberg Zsenai 

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