Re: Facial Identification in Two Old Photos #latvia #photographs

Esther Brill

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Cleveland is having a guest speaker related to this topic.  Perhaps you can register or find out how to contact the speaker lots of good luck


Using Facial Recognition Tools to Identify Unnamed Ancestors for Genealogical Research"
Presented by Scott Genzer

Registration Process

This program is free and open to the public, but space is limited.

Priority will be given to members of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland (JGSC).

Preregistration is required and must be requested by 12:00 Noon (EDT) on December 1st.

Registration Process

This program is free and open to the public, but space is limited.

Priority will be given to members of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland (JGSC).

Preregistration is required and must be requested by 12:00 Noon (EDT) on December 1st..

  • JGSC Non-Members: Please click on the following link: rsvp@... and
                                          provide your full name, email address, and complete mailing address. 

Look for an email acknowledging receipt of your request. Then on Tuesday afternoon, the day before the program, the Zoom link will be forwarded to you, along with the meeting number and passcode.

Esther Levine Brill





Jacob "Jake" Ostroff #usa

Steve Pickoltz

I'm trying to find a Death Notice or Obit for a Jacob "Jake" Ostroff.  He was born on Jan 7, 1931 to a Goldie Ostroff, husband unknown.  He died on Feb 13, 2017 in Del Ray, Florida.  Jack's occupation was that of a camera man for major TV stations. He was married at least once, and had a daughter Sherry who died in 1978 while in France.  I am hoping the death notice may include among other things his wife(s) name and maybe a father's name.  Who knows what else.
Steve Pickholtz
New Jersey

IGRA lecture on Dec. 7, 2021 State of Israel, Genealogical Research and Locating Owners of Abandoned Properties #education #events #jgs-iajgs

Hinda Solomon

Israel Genealogy Research Association    Website:
The lecture will be in Hebrew
Tuesday, December 7, 2021      
Israeli Time 19:00 - 21:00        EDT    12:00 PM - 2:00 PM        

Maybe you, too, are Eligible! State of Israel, Genealogical Research and Locating Owners of "Abandoned Properties: and their Heirs.
Speaker: Attorney Yonatan Kirsch

Fulfilling traditional Jewish values, the Office of the Administrator General of Israel works to locate the owners of unclaimed assets in Israel or their heirs and has been able to substantially increase its activities of late due to developments in genealogy and the proliferation of resources.
Jonathan Kirsch, senior member of the office, will describe the process by which each year, through genealogical research utilizing tools and resources such as archives, websites, social media, databases, records and newspapers, his department is able to reunite hundreds of people with their ancestral property and with each other. Jonathan will bring fascinating examples of how, in the course of international investigations, various items provide key clues enabling identification of property owners, piecing together their family trees and ultimately tracking down their heirs.

To sign up to attend the lecture in person, please send an e-mail to  billie@...
Operating under the Corona GREEN PASS guidelines, only those who have registered will be admitted
Shazar Community Center, ground floor
30 Yavne’eli St.,Givatayim       Map:
Wheelchair accessible

For those who are too far away we will be on Zoom,
Registration for Zoom:
אולי גם אתם זכאים! מדינת ישראל. מחקר גנאלוגי ואיתור בעלי "נכסים עזובים" ויורשיהם המרצה: עו"ד יונתן קירש Maybe you, too, are Eligible! State of Isael, Genealogical Research and Locating Owners of "Abandoned Properties: and their Heirs. Speaker: Attorney Yonatan Kirsch The lecture will be in Hebrew
No charge
E-mail:  hinda@...

Posted by Hinda Solomon
Rishon LeZion, Israel

2 questions #records #russia

Trudy Barch

1)   A child (twins) died at childbirth in the USA or Palastine around 1905. – We do not know the names or gender of the babies.   Would be there be any birth or death records?   How would I go about finding them?


2)  A cousin had a boyfriend or husband (family not sure) became pregnant 1919-1921 in Russia.  The man was shot by the Czars in front of the pregnant lady.   Is there anyway to find out his name and when exactly it happened?  It was the family secret never discussed.   The children quickly learned not to ask as it was sad memories to the elders. The elders are deceased now and the grandchildren would like to know more about this man.


Thank you for any suggestions/help that you can give me.


Happy Chanukah and early Happy New Year


Trudy Barch,  FLorida

visiting Rakaca, Hungary #hungary

Aleisa Fishman

I'm trying to plan a visit to Rakaca, Hungary, but I don't know if there is anything still to see, like a cemetery, synagogue, prayer room, etc. (I couldn't find anything online.) Does anyone know or have suggestions? 
Aleisa Fishman
Washington, DC

Lists of Cantonists and their subsequent military service #records #russia

R Jaffer

Is anyone aware of online lists of cantonists and their schools and their subsequent military service? I am looking for information about Yitzchak Friedman who was taken in 1852 from Khotin, Bessarabia at the age of 8 or 9. If he served 25 years after turning 18, he would have been discharged about 1886. However, his children were born in the 1870s. He may have been a colonel at time of discharge near Rannenberg/Oranienberg/Chaplygin in Lipetsk Oblast south of Moscow. After discharge he served in the Rannenberg Police Force. He married and had children in the area between Rannenburg and Moscow, but I have no documents. He emigrated in 1907 to join children who had settled in South Bend, Indiana. FYI, as an adult he only remembered the given name of his father, not where he was born. It was only through a DNA match with other Friedmans and corroborating information from Revision Lists that the family determined more about his roots.

Any information on list of schools and their students or military lists from about 1860 onwards would be appreciated.

Thank you,
Roberta Jaffer

1910 Kishinev revision list includes people who already left for Canada? #canada


Today I stumbled upon my maternal grandmother's family's entry in the 1910 Kishinev Revision list.  There are 18 entries covering 4 generations, nearly all of the data matches genealogy information I've uncovered about these people from other sources  But at least half the people on this list emigrated to Canada in 1903-1905, a few even received Canadian citizenship prior to 1910.  I cannot understand how and why they are listed on this 1910 revision list for Kishinev.

Does anyone know whether family members who were still in Kishinev would have listed their relatives who had already left for Canada?  Thank you,

William Elkus
Park City UT
Researching Kishinev surnames LEVIT, BURDEYNIK, BROITMAN

Frenkel and Zygmond families of Lublin #poland

Rashi Rosenzweig

Shavua Tov Genners! I am at a brick wall with some branches in my
family. I did find a cousin on, an excellent genealogist
who is from that side of the family, and it did open up doors for me.
I managed to establish relationships with some of these cousins
(fourth cousins on my Mom's side -- WOW) and it has been great. Yet
there are branches close to these branches that are not bearing any
fruit. There are professional genealogists in Poland
( who told me that they can do some research, but
it cost roughly $300 and I really don't want to spend that kind of
money. Any suggestions people? Thanks!!

Rashi Rosenzweig
Ra'anana, ISRAEL

Re: 1848 Hungarian Census source #hungary


For those not familiar with this census: 
Census of the Jews in Hungary, 1848. For the cities: Debrecen, Eperjes, Gyöngyös, Győr, Miskolc, Modor, Nagyszombat, Pécs, Sopron, Szakolcza, Szentgyörgy, Ujvidék, Temesvár, Trencsén, Zombor. For the counties: Baranya, Békés, Bihar, Csanád, Csongrád, Esztergom, Fejér, Győr, Hajdu, Komárom, Szolnok, Krassó, Kraszna, Máramaros, Moson, Szabolcs, Tolna, Trencsén, Turócz, Ung, Vas, Veszprém, Zala. Izraeliták Nésora is a list of Hebrew names. Title on film is musteraufnahmen.

You can find detailed explanation of all Hungarian census records here:

Last time I looked, the images are only available at a Family History Center, most of which are still closed.
Hope all this helps!

The 1848 Hungarian Jewish Census (The Census) was known by its Latin name, "Conscriptio Judaerum. 1848".  It is a survey of Jews in Hungary compiled after the failed Hungarian 1848 Revolution against Austria in the Spring of that year.  Though most of it was completed in 1848, in some counties (megye) it spilled over into 1849.  Most of the counties followed the same pattern and were supposed to collect the same data.  However, as no forms were supplied the data was collected in some cases on printed forms, but in most cases on plain paper with each recorder following his own locally created hand drawn form or pattern.

The “Census” covered all the counties of Greater Hungary as we refer to the territories under the Hungarian Crown prior to 1918, which included, among others, parts of Slovakia, Croatia, Ukraine and Romania.

Unfortunately, we do not have access to the entire Census.  The main available source at the present time consists of data that was made available to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), and was microfilmed in 1970, on seven microfilms.  These microfilms are listed in the Family History Catalog (FHLC) of the LDS.  They may be found by Subject ("Jews - Hungary") then ("Conscriptio Judaerum"), by Author ("Magyarország. Belügyminisztérium") then ("Conscriptio Judaerum").

Maryellen Tobiasiewicz
family from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
Gorlice powiat Poland
Lviv Oblast Ukraine

1848 Abauj Census #hungary

Vivian Kahn

Daniel Eig and Risa Heywood posted messages about acquiring page images for the 1848 Census that are not available from The Hungarian Research Division can provide images to those who make a donation to the Slovak Archives Project to help cover our cost for acquring these images from archives in Slovakia and Hungary. Please contact me off list for further information.

Vivian Kahn
JewishGen Hungarian Research Director

Re: Facial Identification in Two Old Photos #latvia #photographs

Gail H. Marcus

I haven't used either the FamilySearch Compare-a-Face software that Jerry used or the Google Photos software that Lowell mentioned, so Jerry's comparisons are very interesting. me, the 20-25% matches seem low.  That would seem to me to apply more for siblings than for the same person.  So my question is--how good is the software for matches of the same person 20 or so years apart?  For a "real" match (for example, if I ran 2 pictures of what I was sure was the same person), should I expect numbers higher than 20-25%? 

Gail Marcus
Bethesda, MD

Re: Top 10 Jewish Genealogy Myths - Print Out for the Thanksgiving Dinner Table! #JewishGenUpdates


Thanks for a a great read, although I'm not sure whether I'm left more fascinated or more frustrated.
Jay Frank

Re: Top 10 Jewish Genealogy Myths - Print Out for the Thanksgiving Dinner Table! #JewishGenUpdates

David Harrison

When I have looked into census records at our National Archives, it has been obvious that people have often rounded ages to the nearest multiple of 5 in past years when they possibly did not have much education.  Another reason, of which I have been told for adding on a few years, has been to qualify sooner for a state pension.  In many areas in winter, births were registered several months after the birth to avoid a long walk in a rural area during bad weather, it is possible that similar relaxations were common in earlier years elsewhere if there was a registration system with civil or with church authorities.  It might be interesting for someone to verify the system that was in use in the American Wild West.
David Harrison
London, England

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Subject: Re: [] Top 10 Jewish Genealogy Myths - Print Out for the Thanksgiving Dinner Table! #JewishGenUpdates
Re myth #7, not only did my maternal grandfather not know his birthdate, he didn't know his age, according to my mother.  Supposedly he lied about his age to get into this country alone, though if his age was given at embarkation, I'm not really sure if that is true.  But the family story is that he traveled with an uncle and was separated at disembarkment, so he lied and said he was older than he was.  Eventually, as he said he was born during Passover, his children gave him a birthday, April 15, many years before that became Tax Day.  
So here we have another reason to lie about one's age/birthday, just needing to be old enough to enter the country alone. 
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: Where can I find records of Jews in Russian Poland 1847 #records #russia

David Leboff

Hi Paul

I assumed you have looked up JRI Poland.  From a quick search, there was a Mejer Debin born in Wysokie Mazowieckie in 1847, the son of Joszko and Chajka.  Could this be the Moses Dombin that you are researching?
David Leboff

Re: Talmidim of Volozhin Yeshiva #rabbinic

Adam Cherson

See here for additional data along your lines:
Adam Cherson

Re: Did my maternal grandmother convert to Judaism? #general

Joan Jacobson

The issue in my case is that, while I was raised in the Reform tradition, my husband was raied Conservative/Traditional, so when I raised the possibility that my maternal grandmother may not have converted, he was upset.  I just assumed she had converted, as my gradfather’s parents were observant.  However, when I was investigating my geneology and found out she was buried in a Catholic cemetery, I became uncertain. Both of our children were Bar and Bat Mitvahed.  To me, being less traditional than my husband, that is all I care about.  Thanks for your response.
Joan Jacobson

This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #ukraine

Bruce Drake

If you lived in one of the shtetls and got sick, there’s a good chance that you would call on the town’s royfe. The royfe filled the gap left by full-fledged doctors, who were not numerous in the small towns of eastern Europe (and more than most could afford). Unlike a doctor who went through rigorous education and training to earn a medical license, the many royfes never even went to elementary school and their profession was hereditary, handed down from grandfather to father to son. The rich went to the official doctor if there was one; the less-fortunate depended on the royfe.
The Hebrew term “royfe” is equal to a “barber–surgeon: someone who could perform surgical procedures including bloodletting, cupping therapy, teeth–pulling, and bone–setting.” And that describes Moyshele, the royfe of Zinkov (Ukraine) whose “practice” is the subject of a section of the town’s Yizkor book titled “Zinkov Folklore.”
Moyshele was a “three-in-one”: a royfe, a barber and a pharmacist. And there’s a delightful passage in this excerpt describing him in his barbershop, juggling all three tasks.

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel

Re: Talmidim of Volozhin Yeshiva #rabbinic


Here is website with history of Volozhin -
This is about students -
Maybe this will help

Dassy Wilen

JGS Toronto Litvak SIG. Free Virtual Meeting. GET THE MOST OUT OF RESEARCHING OUR FAMILIES IN LITHUANIA. GARRI REGEV. Sunday, 28 November 2021 at 10:30 a.m. ET.

Jerry Scherer








Sunday, 28 November 2021 at 10:30 a.m. ET.




Discover new databases, sources and methods for Lithuanian research.

Garri Regev has lived in Israel since 1978 and has been doing genealogical research for over 25 years.  She has taught seminars, webinars and courses in genealogy to a variety of adult and teen groups. In addition, she has spoken at twelve IAJGS Conferences and was involved in programming and running the 2015 IAJGS Conference in Jerusalem. Garri is a founding member and President of IGRA (Israel Genealogy Research Association). Garri currently volunteers at the Genealogy Center at the National Library of Israel and the Central Zionist Archives and serves as a Vice-President of LitvakSIG.

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You will then receive an immediate acknowledgement plus the link to access the event on 28 November.


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Re: Facial Identification in Two Old Photos #latvia #photographs

Jerry Scherer

Try using  FamilySearch Discovery - Compare-a-Face — See examples below.

Jerry Scherer
Toronto, Ontario

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