Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Sarah L Meyer

Are there any birth records from about 1895 from the shtetl Kolonie L'vove in Kherson Guberniya?  
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Researching Resnick/Reznik from Makhnovka/Makhnivka #ukraine

Jeffrey Resnick

I am researching the family of Shlomo Duvid (Salomon David) Reznik. This was my great grandfather and they immigrated to the US in 1907. If anyone is related or has any additional information or sources it would be so greatly appreciated.


This is what I have so far:



Shlomo-Duvid (Salomon David) Shmul's (Samuel's) son Reznik. 39 years old. 

He was born in Makhnivka. Can read, studied at home. Works as a tailor.


Leah-Ber Leyb's daughter Reznik. 34 years old. She was born in Berdichev. Shlomo's wife.


Tsipa (Tsipora) 11 years old. Was born in Makhnivka. Shlomo's daughter.

Shmul (Samuel). 9 years old. Was born in Makhnivka. Shlomo's son.

Srul (Israel). 7 years old. Was born in Makhnivka. Shlomo's son.

Ruvin (Reuben). 5 years old. Was born in Makhnivka. Shlomo's son.

Sima (maybe Seraphima). 3 years old. Was born in Makhnivka. Shlomo's daughter.

Jos (it seems to be Joseph). 1 year old. Was born in Makhnivka. Shlomo's son.




Family of Shlomo's brother.


Shulem-Moishe (Shalom-Moses) Shmul's (Samuel's) son Reznik. 42 years old. Was born in Makhnivka, registered in Dashev. Can read. Works as a hatter.


Rivka (Rebecca) Tsal's (Betsalel's) daughter. 40 years old. Was born in Dashev. Shulem's wife.


Mintsya (Menashe). 20 years old. Was born in Dashev. Can read. Shulem's son.

Bas Sheva (Bathsheva). 18 years old. Was born in Dashev. Shulem's daughter.

Leah. 13 years old. Was born in Dashev. Can read. Shulem's daughter.

Idel (Judah). 6 years old. Was born in Dashev. Shulem's son.

Beyla. 3 years old. Was born in Makhnivka. Registered in Dashev. Shulem's daughter.

Tsipa (Tsipora). 1 year old. Was born in Makhnivka. Registered in Dashev. Shulem's daughter. 


Moshko (Moses) Leyba's son Berinstein. 25 years old. Shulem's employee, works as a hatter.




Jeffrey Resnick


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Re: Numbers on 1895 UK passenger list #unitedkingdom #general

Gail H. Marcus

I do see that this is what the heading of the column says, but in this case, the numbers I see are clearly not ages.  The ages are given in another column.  It looks like the numbers in the first column are preceded by a symbol.  It looks like a symbol for pounds in some cases, but there is another symbol as well.  And the numbers are all 4 digits (or even 5 in one case), so if it is money, it's quite a large sum for those days, so I'm not sure what it's referring to. 

Gail Marcus

Re: Additional Kiev Jewish metrical books posted to Ukrainian Archives website #ukraine #russia

Ted Gostin

This is a just a correction to my last post on the additional Jewish vital records from Kiev city.

The images on the website of the Central State Historical Archives of Ukraine in Kiev are in .JPG format, and not in .PDF format, as mistakenly stated in the previous post.

Ted Gostin
Sherman Oaks, CA 

Re: DNA Matches - Most CentiMorgans or Largest Segment? #dna #education #poland #ukraine #galicia

Max Heffler

I watched the webinar last night, and even though I have been testing for almost 19 years, I learned some new techniques to be more productive finding connections. The webinar was excellent and valuable for beginners and us “old-timers.”


Max Heffler

Houston, TX


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Gesher Galicia has a new webinar out today that exactly explains this issue. It would really pay for you to watch it. You need to be a member of Gesher Galicia to view but if you are not it certainly would pay for you to join. It's only $36.


Max Heffler
Houston, TX

Re: DNA Matches - Most CentiMorgans or Largest Segment? #dna #education #poland #ukraine #galicia

Steven Turner

Gesher Galicia has a new webinar out today that exactly explains this issue. It would really pay for you to watch it. You need to be a member of Gesher Galicia to view but if you are not it certainly would pay for you to join. It's only $36.

Re: Boarders or Lodgers on Census Documents #general


Thank you for that Jill. I will be exploring the families of both Harry Kaufman and David Seligson as best I can. 
The thing with this type of research is don't give up. One day I will confirm details one way or another.
If nothing else I will learn of the social history of the time and hopefully understand better the type of lives that my ancestors led.
John Edwards

Re: Searching GORDON family, Libau -> Londonderry, Ireland c1884 #latvia #general #courland


I assume you have seen the 1911 Census record - the family name was recorded as Gardon

On the 1901 Census he was a single man.

One of my relations Leonard Fieldman married Pauline Frais  in 1944 in Belfast. Pauline's mother was Rachel Gordon and her parents were Reuven  and Yetta Gerber both born about 1866 in Russia
Hope this helps
John Edwards

Re: New Find Raises Questions about Family Name: #poland #names

David Harrison

I tried to reply yesterday but the server was down for more than an hour and this may be the wrong e-address.

My grandfather from Russian Poland came to England from Poland via Berlin and Paris and whose documentation is a story of myth and invention all devised because of a belief in the power of a state Police Force.  Therefore I might suggest that a person going through Ellis Island might feel unable to argue with or change any name written oon a paper in a foreign language.  In these cases not only was the language different, but so was the character set.  Do not forget that in Czarist times (before 1917) Jewish men were leaving because they wanted to avoid 25 years in the Army. Some of them could escape, but most of the non-Jewish population were Serfs, not much better than slaves and in the Army as the quota from their owner.  I think that this far away in time some of you are forgetting the effective system at that time or any other time and do not use present day values,  I am 

aged 89 and remember well that because I passed an exam aged10, I did not leave school and start work aged 14 as had my parents.  But also I was allowed to come home alone from Boarding School into the London Blitz aged 10, the 60 miles in one train, cross London by Underground  (Railway) and then take another train 10 miles, before walking a mile home;  It would not be allowed today.   Later, aged 16 I travelled to France alone to visit a pen -friend and he later came over to me.

David Harrison, Birmingham, England 


Re: Researching the family of Emil DAMMANN in Berlin #germany #holocaust

Robert Weinberg

Dear Richard, The very unusual (for Jews) family name of Dammann was taken on in 1808 by a Jewish family in Bielefeld (Westphalia).  Moreover, there was  Mosheim family in a town or towns a bit further south in Westphalia. e.g., Calman Moses Mosheim in Warburg.  These could be clues.  Best wishes, Bob Weinberg, Brookline MA  weinberg@...

Re: Numbers on 1895 UK passenger list #unitedkingdom #general

Jill Whitehead

The headings at the top of the columns tell you what the numbers relate to. You have ages of passengers for example. You need to look down the column and refer to the column heading in each case.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, Uk

Re: DNA Matches - Most CentiMorgans or Largest Segment? #dna #education #poland #ukraine #galicia

Jill Whitehead

Hi Richard

I suggest you look at the Shemot DNA edition of December 2019 (journal of JGSGB). 

1) Ancestry is not helpful for DNA analysis - it is best for family trees and it is also the most expensive for DNA. You would have been better off going for either FTDNA, 23andme or My Heritage, which all give you detailed chromosome analysis, without needing to upload to Gedmatch. 

2) Size of segment is the thing I look for - and not just one large segment but several of them. Ancestry does not give you that info but the others do. I look for segments above 20cm for closer relationships. That will mean mostly 1st, 2nd, 3rd cousins, and possibly 4th cousins, but nothing above that. 5th cousins to distant cousins are mainly meaningless, as all they mean is that you share a common (much smaller sized) gene and a very far back ancestor with  someone of Jewish ancestry in the last few hundred or even thousands of years (as we are all ultimately interrelated). 

3) You will be given many 3rd cousins most of which you will never be able to trace. And most of the companies are also very optimistic, and so 3rd cousin may really mean 4th or 5th cousin etc. The real number of actual 3rd cousins is probably less than that given - though you could be interrelated on the same level with several of your own relations, which would up the number of 3rd cousins given.Sometimes you think a relationship is on one side of your family, when in fact it is on another side, or on both sides. Because of all the 1st cousin and uncle-niece marriages etc in enclosed communities, over time, this spiders web is more likely. 

4) You need to combine DNA analysis with a paper trail to get any meaning out of it.  

5) You need to test many known cousins to get a fuller picture. I now have a network of known family members on all the main testing sites so we can make comparisons. However, as DNA is randomly inherited, you do need to look for common patterns as not all of your relations will share the same set of genes. 

6) There will be some who seem to be closely related that you will not be able to find a relationship for by any means - beware false paternities (children outside marriage) ! Or - as I discovered-  someone who was a sperm donor in the USA, whose progeny seemed to be related to me.They all had the same name of Weiss - and I could not understand this as I was unaware of anyone called Weiss in my family. Then a US contact told me the origin of this. 

7) Although it helps to look for ancestors having the same origin in Eastern Europe or elsewhere, you may also need to look wider.  As my ancestors from Baltic Europe were going to the UK, France and Sweden, and all points west, in the 1860s and 1870s, others were going south to Belarus or Ukraine at the same time. So you could be closely related to someone with a different European origin, due to when they emigrated and where they emigrated to (which could be more than once).

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, Uk
On FTDNA, 23andme, Ancestry, MyHeritage, and Gedmatch

Re: Hungary SIG #Hungary Vamfalu (Vama) 1828 Land Census #hungary

Avi Markovitz

On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 08:44 AM, Vivian Kahn wrote:
Hi, I realize that this is an ancient post, but, about a year (or so) ago, deeding JG, I found out that Samuel Markovits, father of Aron and Josef (both were borne in Hadad) was my g..g..g..gfather, he was married to a Betti Wise. The whole family from my father's end are from that region (Szatmar, Hadad, Alsoberegszo, Matyfalva)...
What are the chances this is the same person?
my regards
Avi Markovits

Re: Turkish or Sabbatean Jews and Jews from Salonika #general

David Harrison

Sherri and Robin
Why not use the correct name of Thessaloniki?  It might help.
David Harrison , England (who has been to Thessaloniki several times)

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Have you checked if has vital or other types of records from those regions?


Sherri Bobish

Re: Ajfer Wasserzug #general

David Lewin

I do not understand.   I am searching for a  genealogy containing my Lucia Ajfer/Wasserzug who was murdered by the Nazis

David Lewin

At 16:42 20/02/2021, Robert Heuman wrote:
And almost all burials before 2013 are now in the international database for Jewish Cemeteries, if the individual was buried in any of the Toronto area cemeteries. I personally am now working on 2013 to the present for the last of the cemeteries that needs to be updated. That will give you the date of the funeral, place of death if that was known, and the company that did the funeral, which should aid in finding the death certificate. Death may have been outside Toronto, or even outside Canada, yet the burial would have been in Toronto or the 'GTA' as the Greater Toronto Area is known. The newest Jewish cemeteries for Toronto are all north of the city in York county, in the Vaughan area, yet are considered Toronto cemeteries. And there is actually a third funeral home, Hebrew Basic, that may have handled the funeral. - - and their web site lists all of the cemeteries.

Robert Heuman

On 2021-02-20 8:45:08 AM, rachel.steinhouse@... <rachel.steinhouse@...> wrote:

I have Wasserzug in my Margel family from Britain. 

I also live in Toronto and I saw that you are looking for a death certificate.  If the death was in the last 30 years or more, you can go onto the 2 burial sites, Benjamin’s park memorial Or Steeles Memorial and go into their archives. You could then request a death certificate.

Rachel Margel Steinhouse

Re: Looking for members of the Magentza/Magientze family of Suwalki, Poland #general #lithuania #poland


Many thanks to everyone that responded to my request. Read on to find out a very unexpected outcome to my search.

The Magience/Magiendzo Story and the tail of two cities (Suwalki and Marijampole)


For many decades I have been researching  Maria's, my wife's, Haskel/Goldstein/Gordon very large families of Suwalki, Marijampole and Vilkaviskis, areas that historically belonged to Germany, Poland, Lithuania and Russia.

I spent many hours researching the daunting stories that includes first and second world wars, mainly the one involving two Goldstein sisters that were born in Marijampole and then lived in Suwalki. One of the sisters, Sheina Goldstein, went to visit her aunt Sonia Haskel Gordon, that had separated from his husband Eliasz Gordon in Suwalki. Sonia had two sons, one of which was Yecheskel Gordon. Sheina fell in love and married a young man from San Petersburg by the last name Mielnik, a store owner in Suwalki. Soon after Helena (Lucy) was born to the young couple, and not long after that, Sheina fell ill with the Spanish flu (around 1918) and died. Her husband was so distraught by his loss that spent hours and hours at the grave of her beloved wife and soon after was also dead. Mary Libe Goldstein, mother of Sheina, had seen most of her many children leave for the USA. Only Moshe, Fanny, and little Mildred born in 1911 where with her in Marijampole. Fanny had papers and was ready to leave for America when she was asked by her mother to take care of Lucy and marry an older brother of her sister Sheina's husband, that went to Suwalki to carry on the business that his brother left. Fanny did not want, but ended up agreeing to the marriage. When Mary Liba's husband Chaim Shimon died in 1925 she left and joined her oldest daughter in New York, and Mildred went to Canada in 1926. Very soon after in 1929 Moshe, that was already married,  left Marijampole after graduating as a chemical engineer and Yeheskel Gordon left Suwalki also in 1929 for Argentina.

Lucy loved playing the piano and was brought up in Suwalki by her aunt Fanny, that had a daughter of her own called Malka. Lucy married a dentist and moved to Warsaw, and had a daughter. Lucy and her family,  Fanny and her family and Sonia were all murdered in the Holocaust.

While I was doing my decades long research something was always a mystery. According to my wife Maria, daughter of Yeheskel Gordon, her mother showed  pictures of Lucy and her cousin Malka growing up in Suwalki and always "heard" their family name was Magience. In all my research, that includes a recorded interview with Mildred Goldstein, I never found a reference to Magience. Notice there were at least three women (Lucy and her daughter, and Malka) that may have married a Magience.

Never the less I did a lot of research of the Magience family and found out they were a prominent family of Rabbis in Suwalki.. The head of the family, Benjamin, was also dayan (Jewish court) in Suwalki. He had three sons that moved to Israel, the USA and Chile. I contacted some of them giving them the information I had of the Haskel, Gordon and Goldstein families but the descendants could not tell me anything about their relationship to Magience.

And then, something happened that turned my Magience research upside down.

In cleaning up the many papers and photographs Maria has of her family, a simple note in Spanish written in Buenos Aires many years ago showed up. It read: "JOSE KALSTEIN'S SISTER MARRIED AN ITALIAN RABBI AND WENT TO CHILE".

Hearing the words RABBI and CHILE we looked at each other and smiled (well, I did!)

It did not take me long to find out that:

The Kalstein's were very good friends in Buenos Aires of Maria's father Yeheskel Gordon, and perhaps family from Suwalki, and

Luba Kalstein , Jose's sister. was the wife of Eliah Magiendzo, rabbi in Santiago, Chile.

Is it possible that there is still another link of the Magience to the Haskel, Goldstein, Gordon families through the three women that perished in the Holocaust?. Only time may tell.


Angel Kosfiszer

Richardson, Texas

Numbers on 1895 UK passenger list #unitedkingdom #general

Gail H. Marcus

Can someone explain the numbers that appear in the columns after "profession, occupation" on this passenger list?

Gail Marcus

DNA Matches - Most CentiMorgans or Largest Segment? #dna #education #poland #ukraine #galicia

Herbert Lazerow

    DNA matches are a combination of science and statistics.  Whenever statistics are involved, we are dealing with probabilities. The probability is that someone with whom you share a largest match of at least 35 cM is going to be related, but you will not always be able to prove it. That is because most of us who are descended from eastern European Jews cannot trace that descent back before our ancestors came to western Europe or North America, either because we do not know the town in which they lived in easern Europe, or because the records there were destroyed, or our ancestors neglected to register.
    Most genealogists have some cut-off below which they do not both with a match.  People have told me that they need a largest match block of 20 cMs plus a second block of at least 10 cMs to make the match worth investigating. I am likely to investigate any match of at least 25 cMs, but I recognize that at the end of the day, it is likely that we will say that the relationship has not been proven..
    Another check is to look for common matches. If we have common substantial matches with most people who have tested on one side of my family in addition to the match with me, I am interested; if someone matches one cousin out of 5 on my father's side and one cousin out of 4 on my mother's side, I am not so interested.
    Be aware that sometimes statistical  probability is just plain wrong. Most of my second cousins and second cousins once removed are in the 200-400 cM range on FamilyTree DNA, with a longest match in the 20 - 40 cM range. But I also have one known second cousin once removed where the match is 79/19.
Herbert Lazerow
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Re: Understanding Vitals #ukraine #records


these records have no records to synagogue at all.  It was a state-appointed official, aka crown rabbi ( ), who was in charge of maintaining vital records.  All vital records from Jewish, Christian-Orthodox, Catholic, Muslim, etc officials were transferred to a newly established civil registration authorities around 1918-1920.  In Odessa that happened in 1919.
The additional dates you see in the records could have been when he requested an official transcript for some purpose, such as a University admission, internal passport, etc.

Mike Vayser

Florida sportscaster Rokeach of the Belz Dynasty #usa #general

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with the family of Gary Rokeach, the Florida
He was grandson of Rabbi R. Aryey Liebish Rokeach, Admur
Hrubieszow-New York, Tompkins Ave, Brooklyn, born in Hrubieszow on
March 18, 1889 and died on January 8, 1949.
Neil Rosenstein

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