OCJGS Meetings Schedule on Zoom for the rest of the year #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Michelle Sandler

The OCJGS meetings for the rest of the year.
Please register at $5 for non-members and members are free.
March 21st 10:00 am Pacific time Todd Knowles What's New in FamilySearch.
April 25th 10:00 am Pacific Time Ellen Kowitt Ukraine 2020: Update
your Research Plan.
May 23rd 10:00 am Pacific Time Miriam Weiner Routes to Roots Foundation Updated.
June 13th 10:00 am Pacific Time Gil Bardage Understanding and Using DNA.
July 25th 10:00 am Pacific Time Megan Lewis USHMM What is Online.
August 22nd 10:00 am Pacific Time Serafima Velkovich Yad Vashem What is Online.
September 19th 10:00 am Pacific Time Greg Nelson Procuting Records
From Eastern Europe for the Family History Library.
October 24th 10:00 am Pacific Time Arthur Kurzweil History of Jewish Genealogy.
November 21st 10:00 am Pacific Time Aaron Ginsburg Finding Your Shtetl.

Michelle Sandler MLS
President, Vice President of Programming, Publicity, LIbrarian - OCJGS

Error on 1851 Anglo-Jewry Database - how to submit corrections/edits? (John HART & family) #records

Joyaa Antares

Hi Team,

I am researching my 4-great grandfather, John HART, licensed victualler, publican etc.   There are several records relating to his family on JCR-UK’s 1851 Anglo-Jewry Database, with an error relating to John HART the younger, born in 1840 (    There is also a reference to the “GB DC” on son Richard Pelham HART’s page (  What is the GB DC?

Many thanks,


Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
Researching HART, JOSEPH London.


Re: Volochysk/Podvolochisk #records

Sandy Crystall

Transcribed /indexed Volochisk records may be found via the Kremenets District Research Group:

My known maternal relatives lived in Belozerka, not far from Volochisk.  I suspect that I had relatives in Volochisk as well.  

Many of my family's surnames may be found listed below.

Best regards,

Sandy Crystall
New Hampshire, USA

Researching: CHARNAM/CHANAM(?), SOBEL, PASTERNAK/ POSTERNAKGLECKELSTUTMANWILLIKBelozerka, Ukraine; GREENBERG/ GLASS- Grodno, Belarus; CRYSTAL, KRISTAL- Latvia/Lithuania (Riga/Sirvintos/Zagare?); SHERMAN- London, England: Pasvalys, Lithuania; Bauska, Latvia; Melbourne, Australia; Brooklyn, NY; Baltimore, MD; Chicago, IL, Los Angeles, CA; KAPITNIK- Belarus; KATZENBURG- South Africa; LEVINSONVentspilsSTEINGRUB- Latvia/Lithuania; FEINSTEIN/ GOODMAN- Lithuania/Latvia (?); TUKATCHTKACZ Lithuania/Belarus

OCJGS February Meeting Sunday February 28th 10:00 am Pacific Time on Zoom #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Michelle Sandler

The next Orange County California Jewish Genealogy Society meeting is
on Sunday February 28th at 10:00 am Pacific Time. Gary Mokotoff and
Sallyann Amdur
Sack-Picus are having a question and answer session. My husband
Robert Altman will
be asking the questions which they have provided and they will be
answering them. Registration required at Free for
members and $5 for non-members. For more information email

Michelle Sandler
Vice President of Programming, President, Publicity, Librarian - OCJGS

Re: passenger lists from poland to london 1880s #poland #unitedkingdom


Ships from Hamburg to the UK landed at East Coast ports (e.g. Leith, Grimsby, Hull, Hartlepool, London) not at West Coast ports (e.g. Glasgow, Liverpool, Bristol) which were used for onwards travel to the Americas.

Michael Tobias
Glasgow, Scotland

Re: DNA Matches - Most CentiMorgans or Largest Segment? #dna #education #poland #ukraine #galicia

Richard Cooper

Many thanks to everybody who replied!
I watched the webinar, and yes, it did explain things very well.
Also Jill Whitehead's article, and indeed all the others in 'Shemot' DNA edition of December 2019 (journal of JGSGB), which make a lot more sense to me now I'm actually working with the results of my own Ancestry autosomal DNA test,
Ric Cooper
Midhurst, UK

Re: Turkish or Sabbatean Jews and Jews from Salonika #general


I have been transcribing intake cards for many Jews from Saloniki as part of the Arolsen Archives effort through Zooniverse. I've probably done 100 from there already, so I also suggest asking Arolsen Archives to check WW2 records if your interest extends that far.
Marijke Bekken

Re: passenger lists from poland to london 1880s #poland #unitedkingdom


My great-grandmother Perla Aks Kruk and her children left Warsaw to join my great-grandfather Shimon (Sana) Kruk in Manchester in 1891.  I have their joint passport.  They travelled by Warsaw to Hamburg, then took a ship to England, perhaps Liverpool, and then a train trip to Manchester.

My great-grandfather had six brothers, and he is the only who left Poland. I continue to search whether any descendants survived,  Their father was Meir and his father in turn was Zalmen.

Mel Solman

Re: Surnames #general


Thank you. I am interested in how to determine the details of the earlier names of my relatives in Germany .
Kind regards
Karen Saunders

On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 at 06:51, Sherri Bobish <sherribob@...> wrote:

Hi Karen,

Does your question refer to when surnames were required to be taken in The Russian Empire, or elsewhere?  Or, do you mean when some families chose to change their surname after immigration to The U.S. or other countries?

If you can clarify your question than I'm sure you will get good answers.


Sherri Bobish

Hello. I would like to join to research info about my 4 x g grandfather Abraham ben Gedaliah Tiktin 1764 - 1820. With thx.

Second try: How do I make a payment to a Ukrainian Archive? #ukraine #translation


Hi Siggers,
   Thank you to those who already responded to my first post on this. However when I tried to open the document that was attached I got an error message. Someone told me to get rid of the Cyrillic in the document title so that is what I did and am trying again. I hope you can see the document. Here was the original message:
   Recently I sent for the death record of my great-grandfather and received the attached invoice.
I do not speak Ukrainian and I cannot figure out how to go about making the payment.
  My bank tells me that in order to make a wire transfer I need the bank's Swift number and their address. Additionally I need the organization's name, address, and account number.
  So my questions are:  Are all these things on the invoice and which is which?
  Also, my bank wants to charge me $35 for the wire transfer whereas the invoice is for only about $4. Does anyone know a less expensive way to send the money? When I googled about it MoneyGram came up. Does anyone have experience with them? Would I need all the same info?
  Thanks in advance for your help.
Larry Bassist

Shetls information and research #general

Sandy Sharpe

My grandparents came to England 1898-1903 from Warsaw Poland and Vilna Lithuania, all part of the Russian Pale of Settlement.I have written a book on our family history for my grandkids ( during lockdown) and would love more knowledge of life in the schetls around the late 1800’s.I am a retired newspaper editor including JC and Jewish Herald.
Sandy Sharpe

Re: Original personal name for USA Nettie #general

Sherri Bobish

Hi Ada,

I assume you refer to Nettie as a first name?  If you can locate Nettie's tombstone than her Hebrew name, along with her father's, may be found there.

If you post here in the discussion list Nettie's surname, approx. year of birth, and where she immigrated (The U.S., or other country?) and any other pertinent data that you know, than researchers here will help you in seeking her original name.

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish

Re: passenger lists from poland to london 1880s #poland #unitedkingdom

Sherri Bobish


You might try searching The Poor Jews Temporary Shelter Database:
People stopped there while migrating to England, South Africa, The U.S. and other locations.
The registers contain name, date of stay, city of origin, to what country bound, and occupation.  Note that not all this is information is listed for every person in the database.

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish

Re: Surnames #general

Sherri Bobish

Hi Karen,

Does your question refer to when surnames were required to be taken in The Russian Empire, or elsewhere?  Or, do you mean when some families chose to change their surname after immigration to The U.S. or other countries?

If you can clarify your question than I'm sure you will get good answers.


Sherri Bobish

Tomorrow - Don't miss the JewishGen Purim Party! 🍷🍬🎭 #JewishGenUpdates

Avraham Groll

Dear JewishGen Discussion Group Community, 

I would like to personally invite you to our our Pre-Purim JewishGen FUNraising Event. It will take place tomorrow, Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 2:00 PM Eastern Time.

Join me and a team of well known JewishGenner's (aka Haman’s Henchmen) for a hilarious Purim event that will be sure to keep you laughing the entire time. Festivities will include:

  • You Know You Have Been a Jewish Genealogist Too Long When...with veteran Jewish genealogists.
  • Weird and Funny Jewish Names...with Dr. Alexandre Beider and Ron Arons.
  • Odd Jewish Tombstones... with Nolan Altman.
  • Interactive Game Show: Who Wants to be a Levite...with Jordan Auslander and Ron Arons. 

Registration is free, with a suggested donation. But as a Discussion Group member, please feel free to register at no charge - and consider this a special thank you for your participation on this group.

Signup today by clicking here.

Looking forward to seeing you tomorrow!

Sincerely yours, 

Avraham Groll and the Haman's Henchman
Karen Franklin, Jordan Auslander, Ron Arons, Alexandre Beider, and Nolan Altman

Announcing the publication of the translation of the Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyy (Akkerman) Yizkor Book #ukraine #JewishGenUpdates

Joel Alpert

Akkerman and the Towns of its District; Memorial Book

Also known as Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyy, Ukraine

Translation of Akkerman ve-ayarot ha-mehoz; sefer edut ve-zikaron
Original book edited by: Nisan Amitai Stambul
Published by Society of Emigrants from Akkerman and Vicinity In Tel Aviv, 1983
Translators: Ala Gamulka, Yocheved Klausner, Sara Mages
Layout and Name Indexing: Jonathan Wind
Cover Design: Rachel Levitan
Hard Cover, 8.5” by 11”, 556 pages with original photographs.

Available from JewishGen for $35

To order please go to

Joel Alpert

Re: How to make a payment to a Ukrainian Archive? #records #ukraine #translation


Ideally you would send them some Ukrainian currency.  But what if you send them a 5 dollar bill, or a 5 euro bill?  It is more than the Ukrainian currency, and will probably suffice.

Michael Froman
Atlanta, Georgia, USA

Re: How Newspaper Databases Revealed a Poor Immigrant's Lecturing of a Movie Star about the "Slums" #usa #general

Sam G.

Your GGM encapsulated the American immigrant story. Kudos on the effort you undertook to dig up the letter that inspired Mary Pickford's column.
-Amnon Gronner, USA

Re: Surnames #general

Peter Cohen

If you are referring to the adoption of surnames when previously none were used, I do not think any such registers exist in the former Russian Empire. (I cannot speak to the Austrian Empire).  For a handful of relatives I have been able to trace them without last names in the 1795 Grand Duchy of Lithuania tax records and with last names in the 1811 Revision List.  It is interesting that the particular 1811 list I was looking at (Mikhaliskis) listed far more people with no last names than with last names.  By the time the 1818 Revision List came out, almost everyone had a last name.  So, despite the law saying they needed to take last names by 1808, it seems like compliance was very slow.
Peter Cohen

Re: Tombstone translation #translation




The abbreviation on top – here lies or here is buried

Chaim Moshe

Son of Shlomo Mendel

3 Iyar 5738

Lines 4-6 are in Yiddish

May his soul be gathered in eternal life (abbreviation – last line)

On bottom his name in Hebrew – Moshe Krant

Shalom, Malka Chosnek


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