Re: Searching GORDON family, Libau -> Londonderry, Ireland c1884 #latvia #general #courland

Arlene Beare

Your grandfather was born in Liepaja formerly Libau in Latvia.  I checked the Internal Passsports handed in to the Riga Police 1919-1940 for Liepaja.   Do not be put off by the dates. Your family left long before that time so you may think there is no useful information. Check the links I am sending and if you feel they may be family and would like me to translate what is on the documents you can email me.  Also remember that a propos of all the other responses our ancestors in Latvia often had ancestors in Lithuania. The place of origin of the family may be somewhere other than Liepaja.even somewhere else in Latvia. 

Gordin Basje maiden name Faingold
Gordon Jete  maiden name Preise
Gordon Elja  Father Mordche-David
Gordon Leo

Arlene Beare
Co-director Latvia Research Division

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Re: Volochysk/Podvolochisk #records

Dan Oren

How about Podvolochisk records? I can't find any indexed in the Kremenets District Research Group's excellent site. Does anyone have useful suggestions for finding records for that town (beyond Gesher Galicia or JewishGen main indexes)?
Thank you.
Dan A. Oren
Connecticut USA
Researching: FLEISHFARB from Podvolochisk, Ukraine and KORNBLÜTH from Zbarazh, Ukraine

Re: Seeking help to locate Prussia ancestor’s family town 1830s #germany #poland

Jill Whitehead

Would this be East or West Prussia? Those who came from the Suwalki Lomza Guernias in NE Poland, on the borders with Konigsberg (now Russian Kaliningrad) often said they came from Prussia rather than Poland in UK records. This area had been part of East Prussia in the late 18th and early 19th century until Napoleon established the Duchy of Poland. It then became part of Russian Poland during most of the 19th century, and then the German empire again during WW1 and WW2. You have to look at the timescale and which empire was in charge at the time. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK 

Re: German marriages held in London in 1905???? #general

Dan Ruby

Hello Michael. Did you ever learn more about this? I have the same puzzle. Two of my family members from Berlin married in London in 1908 and 1911. I obtained marriage certificate for one of them. They were listed at an address in Whitechapel and married at the Register Office without a Jewish ceremony. Both marriages were part of a double marriage with another Berlin couple who witnessed for each other. Everyone returned to Berlin afterwards.

You posted many years ago. I hope you are still active.

Dan Ruby
Oakland CA

Re: passenger lists from poland to london 1880s #poland #unitedkingdom

Jill Whitehead

Dr Nick Evans at Hull University is the big expert on trans Baltic seawards migration across the Baltic, going to Hull and later Grimsby . 

Based on where my great grandparents ended up, three arrived via Hull during 1865 to 1875 and one set arrived at Leith (Edinburgh) in waves between 1867 and 1873, mostly in 1870. As these were "early arrivals" likely from Konigsberg or Libau, they probably came by sailing ship, as steamships were not yet being used. Certainly stories abound about being terribly seasick (on my one sea trip across to the Baltic countries I was seasick in a modern boat going across the North Sea). 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK 

Re: Surnames #general

Rodney Eisfelder

Karen said:
    Thank you. I am interested in how to determine the details of the earlier names of my relatives in Germany .
Your query is quite general. Start by looking up the names in Menk's "Dictionary of German-Jewish Surnames".
This will hint at the towns where the surname came from. Pages 3&4 of the book give the dates when surnames were mandated in various parts of Germany. Pages 106 and following give references to many of the source documents.

To give one example that you mention, Tiktin may have been used in Breslau as early as 1737, which makes it quite an early Ashkenasi surname. But, as a toponym (from the Polish town of Tykocin), it may have been adopted by several unrelated families at different times in different places.

In a previous posting (from October 2020), I gave a link to a publication listing 3755 Jewish name adoptions from Silesia, dating from 1814. However, page 3 of Menk's book makes clear that the district around Breslau took surnames in the 1790s, so the surname Tiktin does not appear in the 1814 list.

I hope this helps a bit,
Rodney Eisfelder,
Melbourne Australia

Re: How to make a payment to a Ukrainian Archive? #records #ukraine #translation

David Harrison

The cheapest way is to ask if anybody on this site is going there on a holiday this year or after travel resumes.  It might be a long shot but worth trying.  6 or 7 years ago there was a similar request for a payment to Pilsen from somewhere in England, my wife and I were that year linking Poland and Italy on our 4 or 5 week holiday in Europe and offered to make the payment by handing over the cash, if it was deposited in our account.  This worked well and added interest into a stop which could have been anywhere in a wide area. Our hotel turned out to be 2 doors from the office and opposite an ATM and we were shown a delightful old Synagogue into the bargain as well as saving an unknow genealogist a significant amount of money.
David Harrison, Birmingham, England

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Sent: 22 February 2021 02:56
To: main@... <main@...>
Subject: [] How to make a payment to a Ukrainian Archive? #ukraine #translation #records
Hi Siggers,
   Recently I sent for the death record of my great-grandfather and received the attached invoice.
I do not speak Ukrainian and I cannot figure out how to go about making the payment.
  My bank tells me that in order to make a wire transfer I need the bank's Swift number and their address. Additionally I need the organization's name, address, and account number.
  So my questions are:  Are all these things on the invoice and which is which?
  Also, my bank wants to charge me $35 for the wire transfer whereas the invoice is for only about $4. Does anyone know a less expensive way to send the money? When I googled about it MoneyGram came up. Does anyone have experience with them? Would I need all the same info?
  Thanks in advance for your help.
Larry Bassist

Re: Given name GELCHON ? #names


I agree that it is probably Gershon.


Re: Original personal name for USA Nettie #general

Rodney Eisfelder

Consider also Jeanette. My grandmother's cousin's sister-in-law was Jeanette, but known as Nettchen to everyone.

Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia

Kra family in Paris #france #general

Joyce Rangen

I’m trying to locate information on Simon Kra (1853-1940) and his family. Simon was born in Frankfurt but moved to Paris and was a successful publisher there. I don’t know his wife’s name, but they were my maternal grandmother’s uncle and aunt.

My grandmother was Blanche (Cohn) Bell (1891-1975). Her parents were David Cohn (1855-1928) and Hedwig (Meyer) Cohn (1865-1944). I don’t know if it is Simon Kra or his wife who were related to either David or Hedwig Cohn.

Simon Kra and his wife had three children. The son, Lucien, was killed at Auschwitz along with his family. There were two daughters. Helene Marcelle Kra (1900-1972), and Suzanne Kra.


Joyce Rangen

Move from Lodz to Falkenstein? #germany

Peter Roussak

I am curious if it is known if many Jews from Lodz moved to Germany, specifically Falkenstein, in the years after World War 1, and if so why.  I know of one relative of mine, named Ezra Russek, who moved there with his family.  There is another Russek who made the same move with her husband at around the same time, and I'm trying to establish if they were related, or if it was a common move and this is just a coincidence (it was a common name also, I recognize, but there are other facts that suggest a connection). 

Any information would be appreciated.

Thank you

Peter Roussak

OCJGS Meetings Schedule on Zoom for the rest of the year #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Michelle Sandler

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Error on 1851 Anglo-Jewry Database - how to submit corrections/edits? (John HART & family) #records

Joyaa Antares

Hi Team,

I am researching my 4-great grandfather, John HART, licensed victualler, publican etc.   There are several records relating to his family on JCR-UK’s 1851 Anglo-Jewry Database, with an error relating to John HART the younger, born in 1840 (    There is also a reference to the “GB DC” on son Richard Pelham HART’s page (  What is the GB DC?

Many thanks,


Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
Researching HART, JOSEPH London.


Re: Volochysk/Podvolochisk #records

Sandy Crystall

Transcribed /indexed Volochisk records may be found via the Kremenets District Research Group:

My known maternal relatives lived in Belozerka, not far from Volochisk.  I suspect that I had relatives in Volochisk as well.  

Many of my family's surnames may be found listed below.

Best regards,

Sandy Crystall
New Hampshire, USA

Researching: CHARNAM/CHANAM(?), SOBEL, PASTERNAK/ POSTERNAKGLECKELSTUTMANWILLIKBelozerka, Ukraine; GREENBERG/ GLASS- Grodno, Belarus; CRYSTAL, KRISTAL- Latvia/Lithuania (Riga/Sirvintos/Zagare?); SHERMAN- London, England: Pasvalys, Lithuania; Bauska, Latvia; Melbourne, Australia; Brooklyn, NY; Baltimore, MD; Chicago, IL, Los Angeles, CA; KAPITNIK- Belarus; KATZENBURG- South Africa; LEVINSONVentspilsSTEINGRUB- Latvia/Lithuania; FEINSTEIN/ GOODMAN- Lithuania/Latvia (?); TUKATCHTKACZ Lithuania/Belarus

OCJGS February Meeting Sunday February 28th 10:00 am Pacific Time on Zoom #announcements #jgs-iajgs

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Re: passenger lists from poland to london 1880s #poland #unitedkingdom


Ships from Hamburg to the UK landed at East Coast ports (e.g. Leith, Grimsby, Hull, Hartlepool, London) not at West Coast ports (e.g. Glasgow, Liverpool, Bristol) which were used for onwards travel to the Americas.

Michael Tobias
Glasgow, Scotland

Re: DNA Matches - Most CentiMorgans or Largest Segment? #dna #education #poland #ukraine #galicia

Richard Cooper

Many thanks to everybody who replied!
I watched the webinar, and yes, it did explain things very well.
Also Jill Whitehead's article, and indeed all the others in 'Shemot' DNA edition of December 2019 (journal of JGSGB), which make a lot more sense to me now I'm actually working with the results of my own Ancestry autosomal DNA test,
Ric Cooper
Midhurst, UK

Re: Turkish or Sabbatean Jews and Jews from Salonika #general


I have been transcribing intake cards for many Jews from Saloniki as part of the Arolsen Archives effort through Zooniverse. I've probably done 100 from there already, so I also suggest asking Arolsen Archives to check WW2 records if your interest extends that far.
Marijke Bekken

Re: passenger lists from poland to london 1880s #poland #unitedkingdom


My great-grandmother Perla Aks Kruk and her children left Warsaw to join my great-grandfather Shimon (Sana) Kruk in Manchester in 1891.  I have their joint passport.  They travelled by Warsaw to Hamburg, then took a ship to England, perhaps Liverpool, and then a train trip to Manchester.

My great-grandfather had six brothers, and he is the only who left Poland. I continue to search whether any descendants survived,  Their father was Meir and his father in turn was Zalmen.

Mel Solman

Re: Surnames #general


Thank you. I am interested in how to determine the details of the earlier names of my relatives in Germany .
Kind regards
Karen Saunders

On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 at 06:51, Sherri Bobish <sherribob@...> wrote:

Hi Karen,

Does your question refer to when surnames were required to be taken in The Russian Empire, or elsewhere?  Or, do you mean when some families chose to change their surname after immigration to The U.S. or other countries?

If you can clarify your question than I'm sure you will get good answers.


Sherri Bobish

Hello. I would like to join to research info about my 4 x g grandfather Abraham ben Gedaliah Tiktin 1764 - 1820. With thx.

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