March 2: CJH Genealogy Coffee Break #germany #austria-czech #holocaust

Moriah Amit

Do you have Jewish ancestors from Germany or other German-speaking regions? If so, you're in luck! Next Tuesday (3/2) at 3:30 pm ET, tune into the Center for Jewish History's Facebook page for the next episode of Genealogy Coffee BreakThe Center's Moriah Amit will interview Michael Simonson, resident expert on German-Jewish genealogy at the Leo Baeck Institute, one of the Center's in-house partners. We welcome you to pose your questions to our guest and librarians during the live broadcast. There is no registration or log in. To join the live webinar, click "Follow" or "Like" on the top of the Center's Facebook page and a notification will pop up on your screen when the webinar goes live. Note: If the notification doesn't appear or if you don't have a Facebook account, you can still watch the webinar on our Facebook videos page once it goes live. Catch up on the entire series here.
Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Librarian, Center for Jewish History
New York, NY

Re: Old lineages #general

Lee Jaffe

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 02:53 AM, Ellen Lukas Kahn wrote:
How can one trace ancestors for whom an oral history has been handed down (without documentation) that their ancestors left Span during the inquisition?  How can one trace Jews who travelled between 1492 and 1685, the year they were first documented as living in western Germany?  That 200 year gap could be a combination of land or sea.

If you are asking this as a real-world, practical question (i.e., Is there a practical strategy for linking family turning up in German in 1685 with family reputably expelled from Spain in 1492?), I think I tried to cover that in my earlier post but I can try to be more explicit.  There seems to be a gap in the records available for a lot of Ashkenazi family lineages around 1700-1800 (based on repeated reports of lack of available records beyond those dates) that presents a significant hurdle to establishing such a link.  But we all came from someplace (or someones).   

And some of those someones are in fact well-documented.  I came across such a family tree, supported by a chain of evidence that establishes its lineage generation by generation.   I went through that family history from my purported (and eventually disproven) 4x ggmother Rachel Mayer (b.1760) back another 15 generations carefully and was skeptical but inclined to accept its authenticity.  I even deleted the tree and rebuilt in, double-checking each entry and supporting record, made some corrections, but came away satisfied that it was as accurate as I could hope for.  Imagine my disappointment when I discovered that the connection to my tree was highly suspect.  

The problem at the heart of your question (as I understand it) is joining the nearer end of that lineage to the latter end of mine (or anyone else who can't trace their trees further back than a few generations).  I was responding to the original post floating the provocative notion that most Jews can't trace their families past their grandparents.  Several responses seemed to be trying to make the case that deep family trees were fictional.    I wrote to refute both the "not past our grandparents" assertion and also take on the notion that there were no records to support "very long lineages." I had experience with such a lineage I could share, even though it wasn't mine. 

My entrance into this exchange, by way of analogy, is like reading someone claim that there are no red birds in California and I posted a photo of a Purple Finch perched on a CA 1 highway sign:  It doesn't make me an ornithologist.  And I'm not by any measure an expert in Sephardic genealogy and haven't managed to trace any of branch of my family tree back to a point where it connects to one of those "very old lineages."  But that doesn't mean the connection isn't there.  After all, it's worth repeating, we are all descended from someone and therefore belong to "very old lineages," whether on not we can document them, or even give them names.

Lee  Jaffe
Jaffe / Stein (Sztejnsapir) / Joroff (Zharov) / Schwartz (Schwarzstein/Schwarzman) / Weinblatt (Weinblot) / Braun / Malamud / Cohn / Ludwinoska/i / Rubin / Lubinski / Koshkin / Rappaport / Steel? / Brodowicz / Roterozen / Saperstein / Rutzki / Skazdubska / Zelmanow / Yos / Frank 



Re: Genealogical Revelations of Hungarian Jewish Families - First Volume Editor - Munkatchi #hungary


Subsequent to my question about the mis-named book above, I have had an opportunity to
confirm that it is in fact: Magyar Zsido Csaladok Genealogiaja.

Erno Munkacsi was the son of Bernat Munkacsi and they both authored 
Magyar Zsido Csaladok Genealogiaja, OR Genealogy of Hungarian Jewish Families,
which is the true name of the book in question:

Genealogical Revelations of Hungarian Jewish Families - First Volume Editor - Munkatchi
It's TRUE name is:

Magyar Zsido Csaladok Genealogiaja, or Genealogy of Magyar Jewish Families written by Munkacsi, Bernat and his son, Munkacsi, Erno.
It details specifically the MUNK and FELSENBURG Hungarian families.
My father is a distant relative of these families.

Erno is the author of "How it Happened....."  In my father's genealogy of the Sonnenschein's, he writes:
“Erno was attorney of the Jewish Congregation in Budapest.  During the critical year of 1944 he was one of those
Jewish leaders whose political acumen saved the lives of a good part of the Budapest Jewish community.”
There is criticism of Erno (e.g. in Wiki
but I believe my father.
Erno and the other leaders of the Budapest Judenrat did what they humanly could to save as many lives as possible.

My father's maternal family, Sonnenschein, are descendants of Chaile Felsenburg, Bernat's grandmother, and my father's great great grand aunt.  Chaile (1805 - 1851) married Bernat Munk.  Munk was Magyar-ized to Munkacsi; many Jewish families Magyar-ized their names.

I have the full PDF of Magyar Zsido Csaladok Genealogiaja.

I sent the original copy in my possession to the USHMM in 2017.
They have not included it in my father's archive, but his update is there:

Aviyah Farkas
Los Angeles, CA


Re: big city weddings in Orthodox families #lithuania #warsaw #general #hungary

Dan Nussbaum

For purposes of the Orthodox weddings that I have attended women were allowed down from the balcony but sat separate from the men, on the other side of the main aisle.

The bride was allowed on the bima, this one time only.

Daniel Nussbaum II, M.D., FAAP
Retired Developmental Pediatrician
Rochester, New York
Tone can be misinterpreted in email. Please read my words with warmth, kindness, and good intentions.

Searching for;
Nussbaum, Katzenstein, Mannheimer and Goldschmidt; Rhina, Raboldshausen and Bad Hersfeld, Germany
Teplitzky, Bendersky and Kaszkiet; Uman, Ukraine
Rosenthal and S(c)henk(el)man; Zinkov, Ukraine
Bild and Kashlevsky; anywhere

Iranian Jewish Culture Website # announcements #general

Jan Meisels Allen


A website has a 3-D tour in Farsi and English- not easy to navigate --as a home for Iranian Jewish heritage. Yousef Setareh-Shenas, nearly 15 years ago created the Persian-language online forum to preserve Iranian Jewish history. The site now contains nearly 40,000 photos, 400 biographies of prominent Iranians Jews, panoramic photos of all of Iran’s total 110 operational and defunct synagogues as well as photos of important Jewish sites like the tombs of Esther and Mordechai.


Likewise the site contains thousands of individual photos of Jewish headstones from Jewish cemeteries in Tehran and other Iranian cities. The site contains hundreds of pages about the community’s 2,700 year history as well as nearly 300 individual videos of Jewish sites throughout Iran, as well as interviews of older Iranian Jews speaking the older Judeo-Persian languages from their respective cities.


Iranian Jewish community leaders estimate that nearly 40,000 Iranian Jews live in Southern California, about 25,000 live in New York, roughly 100,00 Jews of full or partial Iranian origin live in Israel and only 5,000 to 8,000 Jews remain in Iran.


To read more see:


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Original personal name for USA Nettie #general


My mother's name was Nettie. Her name on her passenger list was Neche. That was her name in Belarus, but she evidently changed it in the U.S.A. as did all of her sisters who also had more Yiddish names.

Florence Gurwin

Chernigov Gubernia Translation Project Adds Family Lists from Novgorod Seversk 1888 #JewishGenUpdates #ukraine

Beth Galleto

Dear fellow researchers,

I am happy to announce that tax censuses (family lists) from the Novgorod Seversk uezd (district) in 1888 have now been translated and transcribed as part of the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project. The lists include 409 families composed of 2,582 individuals. Among these families there are 258 surnames, which I have extracted and attached to this email. The original pages can be seen online on the FamilySearch website in FHL film 1222347, item 11. 

Previously as part of this project we have translated tax censuses from the Borzna, Glukhov, Konotop, Mglin, Oster, and Starodub uezds in 1882, and from the Krolevets and Surazh uezds in 1888. The original books can be seen in FHL films 1222346 and 1222347.

This work is possible because of generous donations from so many who are interested in records from the former Chernigov gubernia. Those who donate $100 or more to the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project on the JewishGen website are eligible to view the completed spreadsheets before they are uploaded to the website. Please contact me with proof of your donation if you want to see any of the spreadsheets as listed above. All donations of any size are appreciated and will continue to advance the project. You can donate through the following link:

Next to be translated on film 1222347 will be tax censuses from the Chernigov uezd, and then the Oster, Gorodnya, and Sosnitsa uezds in 1888.

The information from most of the previously translated spreadsheets has been uploaded to the JewishGen website. They can be searched by entering a surname in the JewishGen Unified Search. When the results page appears, click on those listed as "Ukraine Revision Lists". (The tax censuses are not actually revision lists, but they are similar enough to be categorized under this heading.)

I hope you are getting a lot of online genealogy research done while staying safe.

Best wishes,

Beth Galleto
Project Leader


Re: Chelmno - Fate of Buchbinder Family (6 Members) #lodz #poland


Many Buchbinder's  from Lodz listed in Yad Vashem

Also try Arolsen Archives - - Buchbinder listed there. 

JewishGen has information on the  JewishGen Holocaust list.

Dassy Wilen

Flohr, Schachter, Hirsch, Wilensky, Trembitsky

Re: Beware of email scam regarding genealogy #general

Lee Hover

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 09:59 AM, David wrote:
I looked at this & the language definitely sounds like one of the Nigerian types.  Do NOT respond to it.

Lacey WA

Re: Old lineages #general


Hi my problem is My name Kleinman, as the oldest in my family I am only ably to find My Great grandpa
his name was Gerson Kleinman Klejman have his death papers (1883-1947) believe his pa was Dov ?
that's were it ends 
What can I do to find more

Gerald Kleinman
Florida USA

Photo of young woman with five words on the back of photo may in in Romanian #translation

Marilyn Levinson

Dear fellow researchers
In sorting through boxes of pictures I came across the photo of this young woman, with five words written on the back, perhaps Romanian.  Could anyone please translate these five words for me, and would anyone hazard a guess as to the approximate date or decade during which the photo was taken, and does the clothing indicate any particular place where this woman might have lived?  I have attached the photo and the writing.  I am deeply grateful for your help.
Marilyn Levinson
Spring Lake NC

Re: Chelmno - Fate of Buchbinder Family (6 Members) #lodz #poland


My father's entire family Kalb, 6 members  (3 sisters, 1 brother, mother and father) were also on the transport March 24, 1942. I got the information on Jewish Gen
Lodz Ghetto records. It gave their names, previous addresses, addresses in the ghetto, birthdate, occupation and transport date. My father had been sent to slave labor camps and then Auschwitz and on the death march to Mittelbau Dora. He managed to survive that hell.
Why do you want to know?  Just curious.

My name is Carole Kalb Levy

Re: Genealogy Programs #general


The Rootsweb genealogy conference is happening this weekend. It's free to attend online. Vendors will be selling their products at a discount. Rootsmagic is on sale for $20. At that price, if you don't like it try something else afterward. Take a look at their site.
I bought it because it is inexpensive. It can pull data from Ancestry, Familysearch and someone else. You can export your tree as a read only file and burn it to a CD or put it on a thumb drive for other family members to enjoy.
You can download the basic version for free as a trial. 
To be honest, I don't like their default family tree views. They will require tweaking or cleanup. I don't like their method of imputing sources. It is very structured. 
I also bought the Gensmarts software. It will go through your Rootsmagic database and give you very good suggestions on where to find additional data. It will work with other genealogy software too.

The link to the sale price is below.
Jonathan Shevis

Re: Records from the ghetto in Pabianice #holocaust #poland

Lewis, Megan

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 09:32 AM, Amit Gnatek wrote:
Please search the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum's Collections Search catalog at to see what materials we have for Pabianice.  To limit your search to archival material filter your search to only include Unpublished Texts.

Collections Search is the first place researchers should look to see if we have records from a certain place.

Megan Lewis
USHMM Library and Archives Reference Desk

Re: The Jewish Genealogy SIG of Naples/Collier County, Florida meeting in March, Tues 3/9/21 10AM EST on Zoom RSVP #announcements #education #events #general


good guidance on using and other resources. highly recommended.  
relly coleman

Re: big city weddings in Orthodox families #lithuania #warsaw #general #hungary

Bruce Drake


If any of these helps, here are URLs to four Yizkor book chapters involving wedding customs:

This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #ukraine #JewishGenUpdates

Bruce Drake

“The Testimony of Rudolph Rader” from the Yizkor book of Skalat (Ukraine) is a first person account of Belzec, the Nazi concentration camp in Poland. While the horrors he relates make difficult reading, chapters like these are part of the remembrances of Jews who have suffered or perished that Yizkor books were meant to provide. Before the war, Rader had resided in Lvov, and remained there until August 16, 1942. He spent four months in Belzec and survived because he was one of the workers forced to assist the Germans in the “death factory.” That also proved to be his salvation when a Gestapo agent in charge sent him under guard to Lvov to find tin that was needed at the camp. “’Don't escape!” he told me.’” But that exactly what he did when his guard fell asleep.
After the liberation, Rader returned to Belzec because of “a strong desire to see the place in which the Germans “had asphyxiated two and a half million human beings who wanted very much to live.” By that time, the Germans had covered over the site with greenery and Rader found himself walking in a field until he came to a fragrant pine forest. “A deep silence prevailed there. Amidst the forest was a large, bright forest field.”
Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD
Towns" Wojnilow, Kovel

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel

Re: Genealogy Programs #general

Max Heffler

I agree with Dahn. I have been using Brother’s Keeper since DOS 3.3 before Windows. The developer is very responsive and corrects any issues quickly. I started it for free as Shareware and found so much value that I registered not long after. The only drawback is not being able to sync with my primary tree, or my secondary Ancestry and MyHeritage trees.


Max Heffler

Houston, TX


From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Dahn Cukier via
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 11:35 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [] Genealogy Programs #general


I have been using Brother's Keeper. I do not know how long,

but I purchased it soon after the Pentium chip came out.


I like that I can download or print-to-pdf and link the files to

the person. There are many ways to document and add notes.


The program supports names in Hebrew, also various other names

can be entered in dedicated fields.


I do not like the tree chart output since the demise of the

dot-matrix printer. I use GED export to use a different



For support I write an email and the developer gets back to me

usually within a day. The program and database are completely



I have not tried most of the reports, but there are many.


For Hebrew, there are 2 option changes. If you have

jpg or png files and not a portrait, create a blank jpg in

Paint and put that as the first jpg file.


Dani Cukier


When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas



On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 6:12:25 PM GMT+2, Fred Selss via <> wrote:



I am looking to purchase a new Genealogy program compatible with Windows 10. I would like it to be able to make Family Trees for 8 to 10 generations with both ancestors and descendants. Making Family Group Charts is also needed. I also would like a place to record notes. And I would like it to show relationships. And be capable of putting children in order of age. And scan for duplicates and errors. A plus if it allows recording of same sex marriages. I don’t want to post on the Internet. A plus also if it can create a book from the information. Ease of use is a must. Can anyone recommend one they are happy with. Please reply privately. Thanks
Fred Seiss


Max Heffler
Houston, TX

Re: big city weddings in Orthodox families #lithuania #warsaw #general #hungary

Yehuda Berman

Weddings are not usually performed in synagogues. My European-born parents were married in America, in the early 1930's, in my mother's brother's living room, on a Friday afternoon. My wife's grandparents were married in the 1920's in Jerusalem in the bride's parent's home, also on a Friday afternoon and they invited guests for coffee and cake on Saturday night. In both cases the wedding celebration was also the traditional Shabbat meal for the family. Most people did not have much money and did not invite the whole world to the wedding. All you needed was a minyan (a quorum of 10 men). 
Yehuda Berman

Kremnička Massacre 1944 #holocaust #slovakia


Three members of my grandmother's family were massacred in the forest at Kremnička on 20th November 1944. They were among a total of 747 to be murdered at the same place over three months. The mass grave was exhumed by the Free Czechoslovakia Army in April 1945 and my three family members were identified by the brother of one of the victims. Their names are on a memorial in Banská Bystrica, along with others who were successfully identified. However, what I don't know is what happened to the 747 bodies. Would they have been properly buried at a graveyard in Kremnička or Banská Bystrica, or taken away by family to be buried elsewhere? Is there a way of tracing names to a particular graveyard?

Felice Hardy
Winchester, UK

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