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Re: How Weird Are We? #general

Michele Lock
 

From my Ancestry DNA matches, I sent out about 20 Ancestry messages. I did hear back from about 8 of them. In my messages out, I tell them what surnames are in my family, the towns we come from in the old country, and the towns/cities that my forebears moved to in the US. I also tell them about my public tree on Ancestry.

Of the 8 who answered back, only two actually had good enough trees that they and I could figure out how we were related. And for 4-5 who did not answer back, I was still able to glean enough info from the trees that they had posted, to figure out the family connections. 

I have also twice sent out real letters, to persons that I was especially interested in hearing from. I included all the above info, plus to whet the recipient's appetite, a copy of an interesting document, like a Russian/Hebrew marriage record. That has worked well.

The only downside - I am now being honored with more family lore tales, invariably of how our forebears are descended from rabbinical families, Sephardic Jews, or fantastically wealthy factory owners who married Russian nobility and moved to St. Petersburg (and these are just the ones I've heard in the past two months). There is an inexhaustible supply of these tales.

I do not approach people more than once or twice, especially persons who I do not know at all. Most people who take DNA tests are not interested in genealogy and finding distant relatives, they just want to know their ethnicity. Plus, I've been annoyed by people on Ancestry who send me messages of the sort: We are 4-6th cousins. Can you tell me how we are related? Invariably these are persons who have no family trees, have surnames like Levy and Goldberg, and expect me to do all the research. No thanks.
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Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lewin/Levin in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


CORRECTION re 1900 COLLE immigration to Montreal #canada

annearmel@...
 

The COLLE family may have immigrated to Montreal through Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, not Buenos Aires, Argentina. There is disagreement among family members about this
MY ORIGINAL EMAIL IS BELOW:
I have been unable to find the ship that transported my great-grandparents and their several children who arrived in Montreal in 1900 from Romania. There is a possibility that they first went to Buenos Aires, Argentina  and from there made their way to Montreal.  Can someone please tell me the most likely seaports they would have used, or direct me somewhere to try and find that ship and manifest? Their names used in Montreal and on the Canadian census were:
Father: Jacob Joseph COLLE
Mother: Rebecca COLLE (nee Schecter)
Children: Eliza (Liza), Sarah (Lieb), Millie (Molly), Marie (Mary, May), Betse (Beatrice), Charles and  William
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Anne Lobel Armel
annearmel@...
LOBEL, RUDISH, HERSCOVITCH, COLLE, SCHECTER


Re: Bohuss Neamta, Romania & Canada to US border crossing question #romania #canada #usa

Theo Rafael
 

Hi there,

IT may be advisable to post the actual document, sometimes the transcription is incorrect.
In any event, I think it's probably Buhusi, back at the end of the 19th century it was part of the county of Neamt apparently, and one of the name variants is Bohus. 
https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buhu%C8%99i

Best,
Theo RAFAEL
https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000140033117843
https://www.ancestry.com/account/profile/080d1b12-0006-0000-0000-000000000000

Searching for:
RAFAEL - Algyogy/Geoagiu and other towns in Transylvania
DEUTSCH and WEISSKOPF  -Ókanizsa / Magyarkanizsa / Kanjiza in Serbia / former Austria-Hungary/ Yugoslavia.
MARMOR, SPITZ, KOHN, HERZLINGER in Deva/ Arad / Sibiu regions of Transylvania 
BLEICHER (Moldova/Bukovina). And many many more :)


German-to-English translator available #translation

Abigail Huber
 

Hi, everyone. I'd like to introduce myself: I am an ATA-certified German-to-English translator specializing in German-Jewish records, genealogy, and Holocaust-era correspondence. Old German script (Sütterlin, Kurrent) is no problem.
Sometimes I am able to volunteer, although my volunteer work queue is a bit full at present.
Feel free to reach out with any translation needs and I can help advise or get you signed up as a translation client.
 
Sincerely,
Abby Huber

Abby Huber, C.T.
Translator & Interpreter
German to English (ATA-certified), Spanish to English
Providence, RI, and Boston, MA, US
+1 401-830-3250

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Abby Huber, C.T.
Translator & Interpreter
German to English (ATA-certified), Spanish to English
Providence, RI, and Boston, MA, US
+1 401-830-3250


Re: Bohuss Neamta, Romania & Canada to US border crossing question #romania #canada #usa

pathetiq1@...
 

Hi Anne, 

This is the place you are looking for, 
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Community.php?usbgn=-1154092

--
Giannis Daropoulos 

Greece


Re: How Weird Are We? #general

Linda Higgins
 

it's normal for people not to answer.  Sometimes I look for them on Facebook and send them a message.  I have gotten more responses that way than any other.  Only one person has responded to my message through DNA companies.  I wonder why they take the test if they aren't going to answer.  It's very frustrating but you can't do any more about it.

Linda Gordon Higgins
Spring, TX


Looking for family relocated from Kupiskis to Yadrin #lithuania #russia

Marc Friedman
 

I have recently learned that a distant cousin, Rochel GERVIC (b 1893, daughter of Devorah CHESARSKI/TSESARSKI and Berelis GERVIC/GERVICIUS), her husband Mausa/Moisey TRAUB (b 1891), and their daughter Dveira/Dora (born 1922) were relocated during the war from Kupiskis to Yadrin.

Other cousins appear to have been in contact with them into the 1930's, but we are unaware if there was any contact during or after the war.

Does anyone have ideas for seeing what happened to them after they survived the war (per Yad va-Shem testimony)?

Many Thanks.

Marc Friedman
Irvine, CA

Researching ABRAMOWITZ/FRIEDMAN, FRANKENSTEIN, HADAS, AND TSESARSKI in Lithuania and Latvia


Reminder: The Jewish Genealogy SIG meeting in Tues Feb 9 10AM ET on Zoom RSVP #announcements #education #events #general

Arthur Sissman
 

Don't forget: The Jewish Genealogy SIG meeting in Tues Feb 9  10AM ET on Zoom RSVP

RSVP to genresearch13@... for a Zoom Link and more info about the group.
--
Arthur Sissman
Jewish Genealogy SIG of Naples/Collier Co FL
genresearch13@...
954-328-3559


Re: How Weird Are We? #general

sharon yampell
 

I have found, especially with how “upside down” the world has been with the Corona Virus Pandemic lingering on for now about a year, I start my messages with how I am writing in hopes of finding a family connection and that  I am hoping they and their family  are doing well, despite the craziness of the past year.  I then go on to explain how I feel we might be related, making sure to include enough information that gives them something to go on.  I always look for a tree and if they have one, I always make sure that what I give them, could point to a location or possible person they are researching.

 

When I found my 5th cousin once removed, I was able to share with her how I kept seeing her great grandmother’s and great great uncle’s names through my research over the years and wondered if they could be family.  I hit a huge jackpot with my father’s mother’s father’s line a year and a half ago when someone reached out to a cousin of mine who in turn had me look over the stuff to see if it seemed correct.  During the transferring of information, I came across the names of the people I just had mentioned…through researching both lines, I reached out to my now (genealogy) partner in crime.  She lives on the other side of the United States from me but we talk and email throughout the week and work together on many searches, even those that are not part of the overall family are in.  If I see someone who has last names she is looking for or if she finds names I am looking for, we let the other one know.

 

That is why I am a huge advocate for having a research buddy because two sets of eyes, especially with many of us having such huge families to research, can be beneficial!

 

Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, New Jersey

 

From: jbonline1111@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 12:55 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] How Weird Are We? #general

 

I suspect that with the proliferation of phishing and other scams, many people are leery of strangers who claim to be "family."  It may be better to call or snail mail and it may help to mention right away that you are a genealogy enthusiast who simply wants to contact relatives found through your research.  Even then, there will be folks who are not interested or only marginally interested. I ran into one, a second cousin through the uncle for whom my father is named. She suggested meeting but never followed through, after her son contacted me. It happens.
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

 


Bohuss Neamta, Romania & Canada to US border crossing question #romania #canada #usa

annearmel@...
 

My great-aunt Sarah COLLE Goldner traveled  from  Montreal to the United States in 1937 to visit her married daughter. She reported on the border-crossing document that she was born in 1886 in BOHUSS NEAMTA, Romania. I can't locate a town by that name in Romania. Can someone tell me what it is called today and where it is located in Romania?

Also, her border-crossing document to visit her daughter in the U.S. lists a Leon Hu under "Departure Contact Name" and  Jacob So under "Accompanied by Name." Those names are not our family names and are unfamiliar to me. It is curious that she listed someone unrelated to her (Leon Hu) as her departure contact rather than a family member. She was married with grown children and living in Montreal with her husband. It is probably unknowable, but maybe someone has an idea.  
Anne Lobel Armel
annearmel@...
LOBEL, RUDISH, HERSCOVITCH, COLLE, SCHECTER


1900 COLLE immigration Romania to Montreal #canada #romania

annearmel@...
 

I have been unable to find the ship that transported my great-grandparents and their several children who arrived in Montreal in 1900 from Romania. There is a possibility that they first went to Buenos Aires, Argentina  and from there made their way to Montreal.  Can someone please tell me the most likely seaports they would have used, or direct me somewhere to try and find that ship and manifest? Their names used in Montreal and on the Canadian census were:
Father: Jacob Joseph COLLE
Mother: Rebecca COLLE (nee Schecter)
Children: Eliza (Liza), Sarah (Lieb), Millie (Molly), Marie (Mary, May), Betse (Beatrice), Charles and  William
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Anne Lobel Armel
annearmel@...
LOBEL, RUDISH, HERSCOVITCH, COLLE, SCHECTER


Re: Help with Amsterdam marriage records 1796/5556 #general

henry
 

I have a few BARENDSE (notice the final E) in my tree that may be related, but no Clara. Spelling in the 18th century was fluid, so try some variations of the surname.

Henry Best,
London, UK.


Re: How Weird Are We? #general

jbonline1111@...
 

I suspect that with the proliferation of phishing and other scams, many people are leery of strangers who claim to be "family."  It may be better to call or snail mail and it may help to mention right away that you are a genealogy enthusiast who simply wants to contact relatives found through your research.  Even then, there will be folks who are not interested or only marginally interested. I ran into one, a second cousin through the uncle for whom my father is named. She suggested meeting but never followed through, after her son contacted me. It happens.
--
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Re: How Weird Are We? #general

m_tobiasiewicz@...
 

Phooey!
I have FIRST cousins who  have absolutely no interest in genealogy and think that I'm the nut that fell from the tree!
I always get excited and respond to someone who tries to connect. Stay positive! Weird or not, we are still out there building the trees!
--
Maryellen Tobiasiewicz
m_tobiasiewicz@...
family from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
Gorlice powiat Poland
Lviv Oblast Ukraine


How Weird Are We? #general

YaleZuss@...
 

The probability of a response depends on how likely the recipient is to believe your message has utility for them.  That's why people researching rare surnames are more likely to get a response than those researching common ones.  For example, if I received a message from someone who was trying to find descendants of a Jacob Cohen, I might not even open it because the odds that his Jacob Cohen and mine were the same person are fairly low.
 
By contrast, I have the good fortune to be researching fairly rare surnames; I'll list them here in case a reader is looking for them as well: AINGOR(E)N, AKABAS, CRISS, EISENDORFF, FIZYK, KARDONSKY, SWIG, and ZUSSELMAN/ZISSELMAN.  Finding these people takes work, but when I find someone who has one of them, they are usually aware that these names are rare and recognize the odds of a breakthrough for them are fairly high, and thus get replies.
 
To avoid the "Geni" problem of concatenating unconnected trees, I usually leave out something that I know and would likely be known by someone who actually was a relative.  Early on, I wrote to a potential CRISS cousin and included a sequence of fathers and sons.  I got an answer, that the sequence agreed with her father-in-law's family, but back in Ukraine, the family had been known as ZISSELMAN.  My reply to her began, "Dear Cousin."  In response, she sent a photo of her husband's father with his employer; the employer was my grandfather.  Case closed.
 
Yale Zussman
Framingham, MA


Seeking translation Yiddish to English--paying a fee is okay #yiddish #translation

annearmel@...
 

I am looking for a service or person who, for a fee, can translate a 4-page letter written in Yiddish in 1919 by my great-grandfather Jacob Josef (Yaakov Yosef) COLLE.  This probably has no bearing on the issue at hand, but just in case, he was a Kohen who immigrated with wife Rebecca nee Schecter and several children to Montreal in 1900 from (probably) Romania but possibly Russia.  
Anne Lobel Armel
annearmel@...
LOBEL, RUDISH, HERSCOVITCH (also used HART), COLLE, SCHECTER


Ancestry Library Edition Available Remotely Extended to June 30, 2021 #announcements #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

Ancestry Library Edition, through its distributor ProQuest, has announced that Ancestry Library edition availability  has been extended remotely with libraries with Ancestry subscriptions through June 30, 2021.  Remote access will continue to be evaluated. This is for both Canada and the United States.  I have no knowledge at this time if other libraries in other countries also have this access.

 

Individuals need to have a library card and check with their local library to determine if they have an Ancestry subscription.  If your local library does not have an Ancestry subscription seek other libraries near to you.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


March 17: Historical Maps in Genealogy Research webinar from Center for Jewish History #events

Moriah Amit
 

Family History Today:  Location, Location, Location - Historical Maps in Genealogy Research


Wednesday, March 17 at 4 PM Eastern Time

Presented by the Ackman & Ziff Family Genealogy Institute at the Center for Jewish History

 

Answering the question "where do my ancestors come from?" is key to understanding their history and traditions. However, identifying and locating the places where they lived, particularly in Eastern Europe, is often a tricky task. In this lecture, Ed Mitukiewicz, map consultant for the documentary film Raise the Roof, will demonstrate how you can use historical map websites and geographic information databases to overcome these challenges.

Ticket Info: Pay what you wish; register at https://programs.cjh.org/tickets/family-history-today-2021-03-17 to receive a link to the Zoom program.

 

 

This program is funded, in part, by a Humanities New York CARES Grant, with support from the National Endowment for the Humanities and the federal CARES Act, and by public funds from the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs in partnership with the City Council.

--
Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Librarian, Center for Jewish History
New York, NY
mamit@...


Re: How Weird Are We? #general

Diane Jacobs
 

Yes I would agree with you about reach people. But this person was the closest to my family and his other relatives knew about my interest,
heard from him and had met me and still he would not respond.

Diane Jacobs




On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:50 AM, rroth@... wrote:

I imagine rich people receive solicitations from would-be "friends" or "family" more often than the rest of us do, and famous ones have people to keep that sort of nonsense from reaching them. Anything you sent would probably have been caught in that net.

Robert Roth
Kingston NY

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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Re: How Weird Are We? #general

mkarina@...
 

Dear Joe and Namrita and Kenneth,

You've perfectly articulated my own "weirdness." Like you, I come from large families scattered around the world. My Ancestry "shared DNA" has bajillion distant relatives with trace amounts in common. Unfortunately, the four people with supposedly second and third cousin connection have not replied to my (twice) repeated requests for information. Ditto on this site and J-Roots and Facebook Messenger posts. However, I did make two major scores with people who responded. One gave access to his extensive research about my great-grandfather's family, but our personal communication went nowhere. Another connection was made with a tentative Facebook private message that was almost instantaneously acknowledged. Although this very distant cousin in St. Peterburg couldn't provide any information about his grandfather, he and I formed a bond with frequent email correspondence. I write in English and he responds in Russian -- sometimes relying on Google Translate to decipher my expressions.

Like Joe wrote, in spite of the maudlin Ancestry.com and 23andMe commercials, I don't think most people are interested in ancient family history. Certainly no one in my immediate family. Plus Soviet families carry a lot of trauma and secrets. But interestingly, the Russian-language J-Roots has A LOT of researchers looking for their families. It's also a goldmine of Jewish wedding, birth, and some death registries, where I can make my way through the gorgeous calligraphy with my third-grade Soviet education. One of the most fascinating and rewarding discoveries were Kiev city directories from the early 1900s. If reading the proverbial phone is your idea of excitement, you'll find a snapshot of a city in a superbly organized publication.

Be well,

Mikhailina Karina

 

 

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