Re: Departure from Poland to France, for political reasons #poland

wenglenski virginie <vwenglen@...>

Thank you David for these explanations. Do you think there are records in Poland about these revolutionaries? Police files?

Best Regards,
Virginie Wenglenski

Re: Bohuss Neamta, Romania & Canada to US border crossing question #romania #canada #usa

Joel Ives

My MENDEL grandmother and many others in my family were born and/or died in Buhusi, Romania  Vital records still exist however, you need to hire a Romanian researcher in order to access the files. My grandmother Fanny (Freida Sura Mendel) was born there is 1881. Following is the translation from Romanian of my grandmother's birth record. It clearly matches your reference for "Bohuss" (actually Buhusi.) . You should be able to obtain a copy of your great-aunt's birth record and other vital records for those in your family who lived there in the 1800's.


BIRTH CERTIFICATE No 44 delivered on (Wednesday) June 30, 1881, 3 P.M.


Birth certificate of FREIDA - SURA, female, born yesterday in Buhusi, in her parents' house situated on the street going to Bacau, daughter of IOSUB MENDEL CROITORU (the tailor), 48 years old, and VICHE (read like Vicke) MENDEL, 40 years old, both tailors, living in Buhusi.

The father who presented the child to us declared the birth.

Witnesses: Avram Goldstein, 25 years old, tailor and Itzic Croitoru, 50 years old, tailor, both of them friends with the child's parents and living in Buhusi.

The witnesses signed this certificate together with the father of the child and us. 

Acknowledged according to the legal procedures by us, Nicu Toderascu, the Mayor of Buhusi, Bistritza Department, Neamtz District, and Civil Estate Officer also.

Signatures: father, witnesses, Civil Estate Officer
Joel Ives
Fair Lawn, New Jersey USA


Re: Olitsky vs Oblitsky - is this my great grandfather on ship list? #names #records

Howard Lewis

Michele - Thank you for your interesting post. As it happens, my great grandfather Louis Bernard Ulitsky arrived in London c 1875 from Kalisch, subsequently assuming the name of Bernard Lewis. His birth certificate stated that he was actually born Leib Herschvowicz Ulicki, albeit I need to confirm precise details. As Kalisch and Suwalk are about six hours apart, it is unlikely we have a connection but your reference to Hirsch/Harry Olitsky does raise a slim possibility. On a separate note, the derivation of his surname is ulice which is Polish for street. Ulicki and its phonetic variants means “of the street” so I suspect he was originally a pedlar selling wares off the back of a cart before graduating to a shop front. If you would like to communicate with me privately concerning the origin of the name, please don’t hesitate to drop me a line.

With all good wishes - Howard Lewis 

Re: Olitsky vs Oblitsky - is this my great grandfather on ship list? #names #records


Hi Michele, 

Although i am not an expert (just an amateur genealogist) here are some observations regarding your post:

A) the Hirsch Ablitzki,  who sailed from Hamburg on June 3rd, 1893 arrived in NYC on June 19, 1893,  is definitely  the same man who,  apparently,  continued his trip to Baltimore. That was his final destination. I have encountered  this situation (two passenger lists for same person) again. 

B) the two documents you have uploaded contain contradicting information . Birth year according to the naturalization papers was 1871. According to the passport application 1870.  Kaiser Wilhelm, the ship that he claimed he arrived on, was sailing from Bremen and not Hamburg. That means that, either the name of the ship was wrong , or the name of the  port  was wrong (or both). The same problem applies for the arrival year. It could have been 1893, 1892 or neither of them (although unlikely). 1893 appeared also in the 1905 and 1910 censuses while in the 1900 census he gave 1890(!).

Interesting(?)  detail;  when Harry Olitsky arrived from his trip in Europe in 1908,  he sailed from Bremen, on the s/s Kaiser Wilhelm. Perhaps he had in mind this specific ship when he applied for his passport, and gave that ship as the one that brought him to America. 

Unfortunately, i don't believe there is a definite yes or no to your question (at least I cannot give one). The Hirsch Oblitsky that arrived in 1893, although he had a different birth year (1872) and his destination was Philadelphia, could have been your great grandfather. In his passport application he claimed that he had lived in New Jersey since his arrival in 1893 but this proves nothing.
To show you how tricky this can be, I will give you an example :
There is an Abram Litzki, born in 1870 in Poland /Russia (not in Suwalki) who sailed from Hamburg on May 10th, 1890. As you probably have noticed the date (May 10) is the one that appears in Harris's passport application. If this man was also from Suwalki or an unidentified place,  it would not have been easy to completely  reject the possibility,  that this was your great grandfather. 

Hope I helped you somehow. 
Giannis Daropoulos 


Seeking Descendants of Shlomo ZENETSKY in Chelsea. MA, USA #russia #usa #dna #poland

David Ziants

Am seeking descendants of Shlomo ZENETSKY - a family who migrated from Narewka in the Bialystok and Bielsk area of Eastern Europe to Chelsea. Massachusetts, USA - and who have done a DNA test suitable for testing paternal ancestry.

Their family tree on Geni can be found:-

In particular, the interest would be in comparing the results with that of members of SCHLOSBERG and BLOOM families who have a presence on Ancestry and MyHeritage as well as Geni. The family name of both these families was also originally ZENETSKY, I have been informed by a BLOOM descendant that there are DNA matches with descendants of the SCHLOSBERG branch (I am also a SCHLOSBERG branch descendant but through my great-grandmother the mother of my paternal grandfather, and in any case DNA testing for this is not available and allowed in Israel).

Despite that my ZENETSKY ancestor also has a Narewka connection, I would actually expect that there is not going to be a match with the Chelsea family - since this family claim tradition of being kohanim (paternal descendants of the Aaron the Priest in the Torah) and neither the SCHLOSBERG nor BLOOM families have this tradition.

I am familiar with the Narewka Kehilalinks site on Jewishgen, and this is managed by a cousin - but through my paternal grandmother whose parents were also from there.

Please respond privately, unless it is information relevant on a general level.


On my paternal ancestry family names: ZIANTS (ZAJAC,ZIONCE), ZENETSKY (SANICI,SCHLOSBERG,BLOOM),  FRIEDMAN, ISMACH (DAVIDSON, OSMAN), ALPERT from any of Bialystok, Bielsk, Narewka, Lomza or Warsaw.

On my maternal ancestry: GEWELBE (RAVEL, GALE) from Warsaw, MICHAELS (UK, Germany or Netherlands), REINA (Netherlands), VIEYRA, JUDA-RODRIGUES (and all Sephardi families from UK, Hamburg and Netherlands), MENDES (Hamburg) 

David Ziants

dziants AT (replace " AT " with "@")

Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel

Sephardim in the Atlantic World #events #sephardic

David Mendoza

This week on Sephardic World we have an opportunity to put questions
directly to a world expert in Sephardic research. Jessica V Roitman is the
newly appointed Professor in Jewish Studies at the Vrije Universiteit

Her current research focuses on Sephardim in the Atlantic World, including
the intersection of colonialism and Judaism. She examines themes such as
the self-fashioning of communities, identity and the contacts between
various communities in the Caribbean. Jessica obtained her PhD in 2009 from
Leiden University.

The meeting is Sunday 7 March 2021 at 11am LA, 2pm NYC, 7pm London, 8pm
Amsterdam and 9pm Jerusalem. Join us on Facebook at:

All Sephardic World events are free. Join our mailing list at:

Best wishes,

David Mendoza and Ton Tielen

ViewMate requests for translation from Yiddish and Russian requested #translation

Alma Shliom

Dear All,
I've posted vital records in Russian and Yiddish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following addresses..

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Please let me know if you need better quality images.
Thank you very much.
Alma Morianz

Searching for:
SHLIOM/SLIOM/SLIOMS/SLIOM in Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.
Given Names: Benjamin (born 1868 or 1878) and his father Leib/Lev
(possibly Lev's father is Abraham)

Research Jewish Genealogical Resources on the Internet with Daniel Horowitz #events #announcements

Leah Kushner

Santa Cruz Jewish Genealogy Society announces
Research Jewish Genealogical Resources on the Internet with Daniel Horowitz, Genealogy Expert at MyHeritage 
March 14th. 1pm Pacific Time

Learn about the main repositories for Jewish Genealogy available on the internet. This program will illustrate how to search efficiently in different Jewish (JewishGen, GesherGalicia, JRI-Poland and Jewish Genealogy Societies like IGRA and IGS) and not-Jewish (FamilySearch, Ancestry, MyHeritage) databases, to find the information you are looking for; even if you don't know it existed. Daniel will also help you overcome the barrier of the language with a basic lesson of Hebrew, focusing on the tombstones terminology and how to translate efficiently to English; as many of the Jewish repositories available are only in Hebrew. 



Leah Kushner

Re: How Weird Are We? #general


My wife's father died when she was 15 and did not have much contact with her father's family.  She is now over 70.  Recently she was contacted by a first cousin who had just found out about the relationship.  Her mother had forged her birth certificate listing a man who lived with her mother for the first six years of her life as her father.  She wanted to do some genealogical research and asked for a detailed copy of her birth certificate.  She found out that her father was really my wife's uncle.  We had some e-mail correspondence and had a few zoom calls with her, her daughter, another first cousin and a few second cousins.  We are still corresponding and may eventually meet in person.  She is in New York and we are in Pittsburgh, where she lived for a while in the 90's.  This situation is unusual but not at all weird.

Philadelphia marriage licenses #records

Arthur Rosenthol has the index of marriage licenses for Philadelphia Pennsylvania.
I can no loger find the microfilms of the licenses.
Does anyone know what happened to them?

Arthur Rosenthol
Bala Cynwyd PA

Olitsky vs Oblitsky - is this my great grandfather on ship list? #names #records

Michele Lock

I’d like some expert opinions on the ship passenger list for a person who has been indexed two separate ways on Ancestry, and who may be my great grandfather Harry/Harris Olitsky/Olitzky of Trenton, NJ.


Here are the basic facts for my great grandfather – born Avram Girsh Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Lithuania in 1870, to Itsko Ber and Beila. Died 1918 in Trenton NJ, name on gravestone is Abraham Tvi, son of Yitzhok Dov.


From US census records, he describes himself as either a grocer or butcher, and if he gives a town of origin, he always said Suwalk. On his 1902 county naturalization record, he says he arrived in New York City on July 1, 1892, coming from Russia/Poland, though no ship name was given:


On his 1908 US passport application, he says he was born in Suwalk/Russia-Poland, and that he emigrated from Hamburg on May 10th 1893 on the ship Kaiser Wilhelm, though no port of arrival is given:


So, here’s what ship passenger lists I have found for him or someone possibly him. From the Hamburg lists, I found that on June 3 of 1893, a Hirsch Ablitzki boarded the SS Russia in Hamburg, coming from Suwalki. On there are two arrival records. On June 19 in Baltimore Hirsch Oblitsky arrived, described as a butcher from Suwalki. There is also a separate arrival record, indexed as Hirsch Ollitski, butcher from Suwalki, arriving June 19 and going to his brother P. Ollitski in Philadelphia. Here is the ship passenger list for this second record:


My question is – is this person Hirsch Ablitzki/Oblitsky/Ollitski likely to be my great grandfather Harry Olitsky? Is this a case where a shipping clerk mis-heard the surname Olitsky as Oblitsky? I have never found a brother P. Olltiski or Oblitsky in Philadelphia or in Trenton, 20 miles north. Then again, I have only been able to identify one sibling (a sister) of Harry Olitsky, though I’m sure he had numerous ones. I have searched Jewishgen to see if there are any entries for an Oblitsky (or similar spellings) and found exactly one in all the databases, for a woman with the last name Oblitska, on JRI-Poland. The surname Oblitsky does exist, but it appears to be a Polish Catholic one. I take it that a person with the given name Hirsch would most likely be Jewish. The ship list doesn’t show him as Hebrew, just as being of Russian nationality.


I have seen before for other family members that they often don’t remember the exact year of arrival or ship name, but they generally do have the time of year correct. And I’ve seen where they have given the  wrong port of arrival.


So, I’m interested in others’ opinions on this matter.
Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lewin/Levin in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus

Photo Direct Line Photo (identified through my grandparents) of either Fisher or Taub lines from Slodubda:Vilajampole, Kaunas, Lithuania (Looks a lot like a found Ancestry photo of a 1800s Taub Rabbi from Poland).jpg uploaded Notification <noreply@...>

translation please- from German to English #translation

Lin Herz

Hi Friends,
I have posted a very old document, that is very difficult to read. I believe it’s in German. I’ve posted all the information I know with the document at this url:
Please feel free to contact me should you have any questions. 
Keep safe and well.
Lin Herz 

translation from German to English, please #translation

Lin Herz

Hi Friends,
I’d like someone to please translate this death certificate of Joseph Levi, the son of my 3x great grandparents Seckel Isaak LEVI and Hille/ Hilgen/ Hilge/ Helena SIMON. It’s in German.

The url is

Thank you so very much.

Lin Herz

Re: How Weird Are We? #general

Ittai Hershman

"I reached out to one person with a strong DNA connection .... The DNA is irrefutable yet he still won't believe it."

I'm sure there are people whose issue is one of belief, but perhaps the bigger issue lies elsewhere.  I have "strong DNA connections" with a number of other people, who have strong DNA connections amongst themselves, but none of us figured out any common ancestor when we contacted each other (probably close to a decade ago now).  In time, there will be a new DNA match that may piece it together, but for now, I have little interest in spending hours with random people, about whom I know nothing, contacting me asking how we are related.  The DNA may be statistically irrefutable, but the genealogy remains a puzzle that has a cost/benefit tradeoff decision.

Ittai Hershman
New York CIty

Viewmate translations from Hebrew #unitedkingdom #translation


I've posted two US [United Synagogue] marriage authorisations for which I would appreciate a translation of the Hebrew elements. They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:
Thank you.

Paul Hattori
London UK

MINDEL, MINDELL from Utena and Vyzuonos, Lithuania
FELLER from Pabrade, Lithuania
BAD, BARD, BATE, BATT, WEINSTEIN from Great Berestovitsa and Bialystok

Looking for information on Klara Ornstein of Lvov- Born 1886 #ukraine #galicia


I was advised  to contact Dr Rosenstein.
Can someone please advise how to do this?
Louis Mehr, Manchester, UK

February 2021 Summary of IAJGS Records Access Alert #general #jgs-iajgs #records

Jan Meisels Allen

As mentioned previously, every month I post a listing of the IAJGS Records Access Alert topics from the previous month for you to see the variety of issues…some were posted on this discussion group but most were not—all postings are included below.  The following are the summaries for the month of February, 2021.  In order not to miss out on important information it is worthwhile for you to be subscribed to the Records Access Alert.

Without records, genealogists cannot do genealogy –making certain that we retain access and gain access where it is impaired is every genealogists' responsibility.


  • 23and Me To Go Public Through Merger with Virgin Group Acquisition Firm   
  • Ancestry Announces New CEO Deborah Liu
  • Facebook Pays $650 Million USD To Settle Privacy Lawsuit
  • MyHeritage To be Acquired by Francisco Partners
  • WhatsApp to Stop Readers or Sending Messages if New Privacy rules are Rejected


  • (Australia)  Facebook and Australia Make an Agreement
  • (Australia)  Google Opens Paid-For Australia News Platform
  • (Australia)  Google Opens Paid-For Australia News Platform
  • (Australia)  Australia Passes Law requiring Facebook and Google to Pay Link Taxes
  • (Australia) Update on Facebook and Google and the Link Tax
  • (Brazil) Brazil's Supreme Federal Court Will Not Adopt the Right to be Forgotten
  • (Denmark) Legislation will Require Facebook and Google to Pay for Media Content (Link Tax)
  • (European Union) EU Ambassadors Reach Compromise on e-Privacy Reform
  • (European Union) Competition Commissioner Vestager Warns of Potential Antitrust Action if Tech Giants Threaten to Pull Out
  • (European Union) Two Start-Up Internet Search Engines Receive Funding
  • Identity Theft Resource Center Says Identity Thieves Raked in Billions With Your Data
  • (Ireland) Additional Year of B,M.D Civil Registrations Added to Irish Genealogy Website
  • (Poland) Cracow City Archives On Fire
  • (Poland) Poland Proposes Social Media "Free Speech" Law


  • (US) American Community Survey  Federal Register Notice
  • (US) Bill Introduced to Reform Section 230 and Allow Social Media Companies Accountable
  • (US- Census Bureau Announces it Will Deliver Redistricting Date to All States by September 30, 2021
  • (US) The Department of Justice Drops Challenge to California's State Net Neutrality Law
  • (US) LA Times Op Ed Newspapers Shouldn't Delete Old Crime Stories
  • (US) National Archives Proposed Rule on Collecting Information on Those Requesting Military Records
  • (US) Senator Klobuchar Introduces Antitrust Legislation
  • (US) More About USCIS Fees On Hold More
  • (US-MD) Maryland Lawmakers Override Governor's Veto on Digital Advertising tax
  • US-MD) Tech Industry Challenges Maryland Law Taxing Internet
  • (US-FL) Florida Bills Address Collecting DNA From Someone Else's Websites as Theft
  • (US-GA) HB 92 Vital Records Transfer and Embargo Dates
  • (US-MA)  Bill Permitting Familial DNA Searching in Investigating Unsolved Crimes
  • (US-ME)  Vital Records Legislation Introduced
  • (US-NJ) State Appeals Court Rules that Murder Suspect  Be Given DNA Source Codes
  • (US-NY)  It's Your Data Act Reintroduced in New Legislative Session
  • (US-Oregon) Delays in 2020 Census Leaves Oregon Redistricting in a Lurch
  • (US-OK) Oklahoma Data Privacy Act Introduced; Data Transparency Legislation
  • (US-SD) First Vital Records and Health Statistics Unit to Receive National Accreditation
  • (US-VA) Consumer Protection Act Awaiting Governor's Signature
  • US-WA) Federal Judge Blocks Sale of Seattle's National Archives Facility
  • (US-WA) Second Substitute Bill for SB 502


The IAJGS Board of Directors approved opening the Records Access Alert to anyone who is interested in records access. This was announced previously.  We now have subscribers from many genealogical organizations not

previously able to subscribe. To be on top of what is happening I encourage you to register for the Records Access Alerts to receive the information in a timely manner.  If you are interested in any of the above items, please

register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert and look at them in the archives.  To register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert go to: and follow the instructions to enter

your email address, full name and which genealogical organization you belong to-a society, SIG  or a subscriber of JewishGen, AVOTAYNU, Legal Genealogist  etc. You will receive an email response that you have to reply to,

or the subscription will not be finalized. The alerts are archived and once you register you may access the archives at:


The IAJGS Records Access Alert is not a daily announcement list. Depending on what happens worldwide, there may be no postings for several days and other times there may be several in one day.


These are listed alphabetically not chronologically.  Each month the locales covered differ.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee




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View mate translation: Yiddish Yizkor page #translation

Courtney Klein

I have posted page XIV from book one of the Slonim Yizkor Book collection. It is supposed to be about one of my cousins Baruch Yakimovsky. Any help in translating it is greatly appreciated. 
Courtney Klein

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