Yad V'Shem's Encyclopedia of Jewish Life Before and During the Holocaust
says:

Orinen. Kamenets-Podolski dist., Ukraine. Jews were first present in
1582 and in 1765 they numbered 386. In 1897, their pop. was 2,142 out
of 5,727. In the Soviet period, the town had a Jewish council (soviet),
kolkhoz, tailors union and a school with a library. The Jewish pop.
was 1,797 in 1926 and 1,508 in 1939. In late June 1942, the Nazis and
their Ukrainian collaborators surrounded the Jewish quarter and selected
250 skilled workers for transfer to Kamenets-Podolski, where they later
perished. The remaining 1,745 Jews were led a mile outside the town
toward the village of Zherdya and executed. Among the victims were
530 children and 40 infants.

Where Once We Walked gives the population as 1,797 and locates it
62 km NNE of Chernivitsi at coordinates 48o46'/26o24'.

Hope this helps.

Doug Cohen
Sarasota, FL
Lexington, MA

Yad V'Shem's Encyclopedia of Jewish Life Before and During the Holocaust
says:

Orinen. Kamenets-Podolski dist., Ukraine. Jews were first present in
1582 and in 1765 they numbered 386. In 1897, their pop. was 2,142 out
of 5,727. In the Soviet period, the town had a Jewish council (soviet),
kolkhoz, tailors union and a school with a library. The Jewish pop.
was 1,797 in 1926 and 1,508 in 1939. In late June 1942, the Nazis and
their Ukrainian collaborators surrounded the Jewish quarter and selected
250 skilled workers for transfer to Kamenets-Podolski, where they later
perished. The remaining 1,745 Jews were led a mile outside the town
toward the village of Zherdya and executed. Among the victims were
530 children and 40 infants.

Where Once We Walked gives the population as 1,797 and locates it
62 km NNE of Chernivitsi at coordinates 48o46'/26o24'.

Hope this helps.

Doug Cohen
Sarasota, FL
Lexington, MA

Some of you may be aware that Howard Margol has been ill. He has stepped
down as Coordinator of the LitvakSIG Internal Passport Project, which he
founded in 2007 after discovering these very valuable documents on a trip
to Lithuania.

I will be overseeing the completion of the translations of the Vilnius
Passports. Please direct any questions to me at <esjoachim@optonline.net>.

New Internal Passport files for the city of Vilnius have been added to the
Vilnius IP Shutterfly website,
<https://vilniusinternalpassports19191940.shutterfly.com>.

The files include 4,948 new records. If you are already a Qualified
Contributor to the Vilnius IP project, you may view the data by logging
into the website.

If you are not a Qualified Contributor to the Vilnius IP Project, you may do
so by contributing $100 to LitvakSIG. Go to www.litvaksig.org/contribute and
choose Internal Passports under Special Projects.

This new data will become available in the All Lithuania Database 18 months

from now. At the same time, it becomes available in the JewishGen Lithuania

Database.

Thank you,

Eden Joachim
Records Acquisitions and Translations Committee
Internal Passport Project

Some of you may be aware that Howard Margol has been ill. He has stepped
down as Coordinator of the LitvakSIG Internal Passport Project, which he
founded in 2007 after discovering these very valuable documents on a trip
to Lithuania.

I will be overseeing the completion of the translations of the Vilnius
Passports. Please direct any questions to me at <esjoachim@optonline.net>.

New Internal Passport files for the city of Vilnius have been added to the
Vilnius IP Shutterfly website,
<https://vilniusinternalpassports19191940.shutterfly.com>.

The files include 4,948 new records. If you are already a Qualified
Contributor to the Vilnius IP project, you may view the data by logging
into the website.

If you are not a Qualified Contributor to the Vilnius IP Project, you may do
so by contributing $100 to LitvakSIG. Go to www.litvaksig.org/contribute and
choose Internal Passports under Special Projects.

This new data will become available in the All Lithuania Database 18 months

from now. At the same time, it becomes available in the JewishGen Lithuania

Database.

Thank you,

Eden Joachim
Records Acquisitions and Translations Committee
Internal Passport Project

Thank you, Gerhard, for simplifying the matter. There are indeed several
ways to access the Hessian Archives' vital-records holdings.

One small detail, though: The Standesamt system did indeed begin on
October 1, 1874--but only in Prussia. The Hessian State Archives'
on-line collection begins on January 1, 1876, the day that all of
Germany went over to the new system. At that time, Prussia included the
state of Hessen-Nassau, but not the rest of today's Hessen. So where are
the Hessen-Nassau books for the first 15 months?

Why, at FamilySearch.org, of course! The originals are or were in the
Hessian State Archive in Marburg, where LDS filmed the collection of
miscellaneous vital records. That collection is now on line as "Germany,
Hesse-Nassau, Civil Registers and Church Books, 1701-1875." In reality,
it covers only the Kassel district of Hessen-Nassau.

As I mentioned a few posts ago, this collection is almost impossible to
use on line. The localities (over 500 of them) are listed
alphabetically, with few indications as to the county, etc. In Hessen
this can be vexing, given the number of places with non-unique names.
Note that the 1876ff. records are grouped by county (Kreis). In 4 cases,
a town and its records appear twice. A few town names are spelled wrong.

Within a locality, the records are grouped by author. Alas, this was
done inconsistently and often just plain wrong. Most of the 120
localities that have 1874-5 records have them listed under
"Standesamt"--but others are under "Buergermeisterei" or "Amtsgericht".
In one case, a book of birth records >from Huenfeld is cataloged under Fulda.

The 1874-5 Standesamt records are one of four main sets of records in
this collection. The other two are: civil vital records >from the era of
the Kingdom of Westphalia (c.1808-13); marriage contracts and annexes,
some going back even before 1701; and miscellaneous Jewish records,
mostly >from 1825-1874.

The Kingdom of Westphalia records are wonderful in their Napoleonic
detail, and in that they treat Jews like everyone else. In most places,
each denomination had its own registers, but the reporting was done the
same way for all. I have made great headway in researching my own family
by using these. Unfortunately, they are listed under any number of
different headings: Standesamt, Buergermeisterei, Justizamt,
Amtsgericht, and the various religious denominations. In some cases,
Jewish records are bound together with others without mention of them
being made; in others, purely Jewish records are listed as "Evangelisch."

The 1825-1874 Jewish (and "dissident") records, too, appear under many
different authorships: Polizeiamt, Buergermeisterei, Standesamt,
Juedische Gemeinde. Many of the descriptions (date, type of record) are
inaccurate, sometimes seriously understating the contents.

For those of us who worked on the Hessen Gatermann project, Phase 1, the
1825-1874 records are important in that they contain quite a few vital
registers that the Nazis missed! Especially in Schluechtern and
Ziegenhain counties (Kreise), there are many "other shoes" waiting to
drop. >from Schluechtern we have records for Mittelsinn, Heubach,
Hintersteinau, Salmünster, Sterbfritz, Vollmerz and Züntersbach; >from
Ziegenhain: Großropperhausen, Neukirchen, Röllshausen, Schrecksbach and
Ziegenhain itself. Rueckingen (Kr. Hanau), Eiterfeld (Kr. Huenfeld), and
Erksdorf and Schiffelsbach (Kr. Marburg) are also represented.

Finally, one should remember that the vast majority of Hessian and
Nassovian church books >from the 18th and 19th centuries are not included
here at all. They may be found in various diocesan and other archives in
Kassel, Fulda and elsewhere.

I have struggled in vain for over 2 years to bring these problems to the
attention (or rather, interest) of familysearch.org. The collection
would benefit greatly >from being broken up into a few sections, each of
which with a title that described its contents accurately and
succinctly; and >from being recataloged in a consistent manner.

By the way, there are no *intentional* restrictions on the use of this
collection...

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA research coordinator, GerSIG

Thank you, Gerhard, for simplifying the matter. There are indeed several
ways to access the Hessian Archives' vital-records holdings.

One small detail, though: The Standesamt system did indeed begin on
October 1, 1874--but only in Prussia. The Hessian State Archives'
on-line collection begins on January 1, 1876, the day that all of
Germany went over to the new system. At that time, Prussia included the
state of Hessen-Nassau, but not the rest of today's Hessen. So where are
the Hessen-Nassau books for the first 15 months?

Why, at FamilySearch.org, of course! The originals are or were in the
Hessian State Archive in Marburg, where LDS filmed the collection of
miscellaneous vital records. That collection is now on line as "Germany,
Hesse-Nassau, Civil Registers and Church Books, 1701-1875." In reality,
it covers only the Kassel district of Hessen-Nassau.

As I mentioned a few posts ago, this collection is almost impossible to
use on line. The localities (over 500 of them) are listed
alphabetically, with few indications as to the county, etc. In Hessen
this can be vexing, given the number of places with non-unique names.
Note that the 1876ff. records are grouped by county (Kreis). In 4 cases,
a town and its records appear twice. A few town names are spelled wrong.

Within a locality, the records are grouped by author. Alas, this was
done inconsistently and often just plain wrong. Most of the 120
localities that have 1874-5 records have them listed under
"Standesamt"--but others are under "Buergermeisterei" or "Amtsgericht".
In one case, a book of birth records >from Huenfeld is cataloged under Fulda.

The 1874-5 Standesamt records are one of four main sets of records in
this collection. The other two are: civil vital records >from the era of
the Kingdom of Westphalia (c.1808-13); marriage contracts and annexes,
some going back even before 1701; and miscellaneous Jewish records,
mostly >from 1825-1874.

The Kingdom of Westphalia records are wonderful in their Napoleonic
detail, and in that they treat Jews like everyone else. In most places,
each denomination had its own registers, but the reporting was done the
same way for all. I have made great headway in researching my own family
by using these. Unfortunately, they are listed under any number of
different headings: Standesamt, Buergermeisterei, Justizamt,
Amtsgericht, and the various religious denominations. In some cases,
Jewish records are bound together with others without mention of them
being made; in others, purely Jewish records are listed as "Evangelisch."

The 1825-1874 Jewish (and "dissident") records, too, appear under many
different authorships: Polizeiamt, Buergermeisterei, Standesamt,
Juedische Gemeinde. Many of the descriptions (date, type of record) are
inaccurate, sometimes seriously understating the contents.

For those of us who worked on the Hessen Gatermann project, Phase 1, the
1825-1874 records are important in that they contain quite a few vital
registers that the Nazis missed! Especially in Schluechtern and
Ziegenhain counties (Kreise), there are many "other shoes" waiting to
drop. >from Schluechtern we have records for Mittelsinn, Heubach,
Hintersteinau, Salmünster, Sterbfritz, Vollmerz and Züntersbach; >from
Ziegenhain: Großropperhausen, Neukirchen, Röllshausen, Schrecksbach and
Ziegenhain itself. Rueckingen (Kr. Hanau), Eiterfeld (Kr. Huenfeld), and
Erksdorf and Schiffelsbach (Kr. Marburg) are also represented.

Finally, one should remember that the vast majority of Hessian and
Nassovian church books >from the 18th and 19th centuries are not included
here at all. They may be found in various diocesan and other archives in
Kassel, Fulda and elsewhere.

I have struggled in vain for over 2 years to bring these problems to the
attention (or rather, interest) of familysearch.org. The collection
would benefit greatly >from being broken up into a few sections, each of
which with a title that described its contents accurately and
succinctly; and >from being recataloged in a consistent manner.

By the way, there are no *intentional* restrictions on the use of this
collection...

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA research coordinator, GerSIG

My grandfather was a German soldier in WWI, and I have many military
postcards (with the inscription Feldpostkarte) >from that time, as well
as postcards written before the war by my grandfather in Hamburg to my
grandmother in Frankfurt >from 1898 until they married in 1906. >from these
I can tell you the following:

1) Postcards in Germany during that time had stamps >from both sending and
receiving towns.
2) Besides the dates, the stamps had other numbers on them, and my guess is
that these referred to the stamping post offices.

3) Military Feldpostkarten did not usually have postage stamps but were
only stamped, also when sent to civilians. I'm guessing this was more
convenient than carrying delicate postage stamps in the field.

There were many, many, war wounded, and there were probably not enough
military hospitals to accommodate them all, so they might also have been
placed in regular hospitals. The notice on the wall referring to the
care of war wounded would not have been necessary if the entire hospital
was for the military. Also, the photo shows a notice on the wall with
a cross on it, so I doubt it was a Jewish hospital.

Can't help with the old script. If you don't get help here,
the Suetterlinstube in Hamburg will transcribe.

Naomi M Rosenthal Berkeley, CA, US naomiro999@yahoo.com
Author of Lina's Love (pre-WWI German postcards) and Searching for
Hugo (WWI German correspondence)

Jeffrey Knisbacher <j2456@verizon.net> wrote:
Subject: Unusual WWI Postcard >from Berlin to Linz, Austria on Viewmate
--help requested in reading the German and overall analysis

Actually, my first question is whether this card really is unusual?
Do any of you researchers have anything similar or have you seen
anything similar? <snip>
Here are the three URLs to see the three different views of the card:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41804
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41805
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41806

My grandfather was a German soldier in WWI, and I have many military
postcards (with the inscription Feldpostkarte) >from that time, as well
as postcards written before the war by my grandfather in Hamburg to my
grandmother in Frankfurt >from 1898 until they married in 1906. >from these
I can tell you the following:

1) Postcards in Germany during that time had stamps >from both sending and
receiving towns.
2) Besides the dates, the stamps had other numbers on them, and my guess is
that these referred to the stamping post offices.

3) Military Feldpostkarten did not usually have postage stamps but were
only stamped, also when sent to civilians. I'm guessing this was more
convenient than carrying delicate postage stamps in the field.

There were many, many, war wounded, and there were probably not enough
military hospitals to accommodate them all, so they might also have been
placed in regular hospitals. The notice on the wall referring to the
care of war wounded would not have been necessary if the entire hospital
was for the military. Also, the photo shows a notice on the wall with
a cross on it, so I doubt it was a Jewish hospital.

Can't help with the old script. If you don't get help here,
the Suetterlinstube in Hamburg will transcribe.

Naomi M Rosenthal Berkeley, CA, US naomiro999@yahoo.com
Author of Lina's Love (pre-WWI German postcards) and Searching for
Hugo (WWI German correspondence)

Jeffrey Knisbacher <j2456@verizon.net> wrote:
Subject: Unusual WWI Postcard >from Berlin to Linz, Austria on Viewmate
--help requested in reading the German and overall analysis

Actually, my first question is whether this card really is unusual?
Do any of you researchers have anything similar or have you seen
anything similar? <snip>
Here are the three URLs to see the three different views of the card:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41804
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41805
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41806

Hello. I would like to ask if someone can help me in understanding the
fine details of the Romanian marriage record linked below:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=41874

The marriage certificate is for Markus ABRAMOWITZ (here rendered
Marcus AVRAMOVICI), 1858-1930; and Fanny SONNENFELD (here rendered
Fani), 1859-1938. The precise words used to describe the two families
are different, which leads me to believe that different information is
provided. Based on my limited understanding, I think it says the
following.

Marcus Abvramovici
born in Botosani (Romania)
living in Iasi, son of
(?) Avram Avramovici
and Sure born Falicenier
27 years [of age]
(?)

Fani (?) Feige Sonnenfeld
born in Suceava, daughter of
(?) Uscher and
Sima Sonnenfeld
of Suceava
26 [years of age]
(?)

My main question is about the Avramovici family. Where it reads "Sure
nasc. Falicenier", is that an indication that the mother, Sure, was
*born* in Falticeni the town, or rather that her *maiden name* was
Falicenier? If the latter, is that the correct spelling? It does not
appear that the written name contains a "T" as in the town of
"Falticeni".

Whatever it says, I find it interesting that this information is
provided only for the Avramovici family, whereas for the Sonnenfleds
we are only told that they are "of Suceava". No additional details
for the mother, Sima, are provided.

Also, where "Fani" is written, is the next word telling us that she is
"also known as" "Feige, or is this an indication that her
original/birth name was Feige?

Thank you very much in advance,

Graeme Boocock

graeme.boocock@gmail.com
Ottawa, Canada

Hello. I would like to ask if someone can help me in understanding the
fine details of the Romanian marriage record linked below:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=41874

The marriage certificate is for Markus ABRAMOWITZ (here rendered
Marcus AVRAMOVICI), 1858-1930; and Fanny SONNENFELD (here rendered
Fani), 1859-1938. The precise words used to describe the two families
are different, which leads me to believe that different information is
provided. Based on my limited understanding, I think it says the
following.

Marcus Abvramovici
born in Botosani (Romania)
living in Iasi, son of
(?) Avram Avramovici
and Sure born Falicenier
27 years [of age]
(?)

Fani (?) Feige Sonnenfeld
born in Suceava, daughter of
(?) Uscher and
Sima Sonnenfeld
of Suceava
26 [years of age]
(?)

My main question is about the Avramovici family. Where it reads "Sure
nasc. Falicenier", is that an indication that the mother, Sure, was
*born* in Falticeni the town, or rather that her *maiden name* was
Falicenier? If the latter, is that the correct spelling? It does not
appear that the written name contains a "T" as in the town of
"Falticeni".

Whatever it says, I find it interesting that this information is
provided only for the Avramovici family, whereas for the Sonnenfleds
we are only told that they are "of Suceava". No additional details
for the mother, Sima, are provided.

Also, where "Fani" is written, is the next word telling us that she is
"also known as" "Feige, or is this an indication that her
original/birth name was Feige?

Thank you very much in advance,

Graeme Boocock

graeme.boocock@gmail.com
Ottawa, Canada

Hi,

I am trying to trace the last resting place of my aunt Theresia/Therese
FELDMANN born 13th December 1897 in Vienna, Austria to Wilhelm and Bertha
FELDMANN. The facts as I know them are;
She emigrated to Palestine before WW2 though the date is unknown
She was married but again I do not know whether she married in Austria
and emigrated or else met her husband in Palestine. I have searched the IKW
records in Vienna and couldn't find any marriage record.
She was living in Haifa in 1960 with her husband but had no children.
The date of her death is unknown.
I am hoping that someone can help me check the death records and or burial
records for Haifa >from 1960 to say 1985 and that these records might contain
either her maiden name of FELDMANN or that the name Theresia/Therese and her
date of birth are matched.
Any advice or help is greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Peter Heilbrunn
Amersham, England

Dear people,
I am one of the few Prostejov Jewish citizens still alive.
I live in Tel Aviv, have visited Prostejov in the last years by myself, with
my children and grandchildren.
I have a good memory and remember still much, especially events and people

from my childhood which was so cruelly terminated.

Maud Michal Beer.

Hi,

I am trying to trace the last resting place of my aunt Theresia/Therese
FELDMANN born 13th December 1897 in Vienna, Austria to Wilhelm and Bertha
FELDMANN. The facts as I know them are;
She emigrated to Palestine before WW2 though the date is unknown
She was married but again I do not know whether she married in Austria
and emigrated or else met her husband in Palestine. I have searched the IKW
records in Vienna and couldn't find any marriage record.
She was living in Haifa in 1960 with her husband but had no children.
The date of her death is unknown.
I am hoping that someone can help me check the death records and or burial
records for Haifa >from 1960 to say 1985 and that these records might contain
either her maiden name of FELDMANN or that the name Theresia/Therese and her
date of birth are matched.
Any advice or help is greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Peter Heilbrunn
Amersham, England

Dear people,
I am one of the few Prostejov Jewish citizens still alive.
I live in Tel Aviv, have visited Prostejov in the last years by myself, with
my children and grandchildren.
I have a good memory and remember still much, especially events and people

from my childhood which was so cruelly terminated.

Maud Michal Beer.

Arline:
Mainz isn't in Hesse any more. It's the capital of Rheinland-Pfalz.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA research coordinator, GerSIG

Arline:
Mainz isn't in Hesse any more. It's the capital of Rheinland-Pfalz.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA research coordinator, GerSIG

Dear Friends,

Many of us are very happy to help our fellow researchers when they post
requests for assistance. Sometimes we feel that the response is of
sufficient general interest to share with the List; other times we wish to
share information privately. When we share information privately, we may be
doing so because we feel it is not information that is significant to the
general list or we may wish to share something sensitive information
privately.

When we desire to respond privately to a posted email, therefore, we must be
careful to review the addresses to which our reply is being sent.

Last week, however, I discovered a completely new (to me) problem. I set
up a response to a particular member of the list. I was careful to remove
the list's address >from the headers. I left the email in HTML, which is not
accepted by the list. I sent it to the private email address of the
poster--and only later discovered that it did not go to the poster but
rather to the list. Fortunately, the email was bounced automatically.
Unfortunately, it was only days later that my information was transmitted to
the original poster.

When I looked further into the issue, I discovered that although individual
poster's address was in the "To" field on the reply form, it was only
apparently that address. The actual address (which was the listserv
address) was hidden by the poster's address.

While I am not technically knowledgeable enough to understand how this came
about, I realize that this may have happened to other researchers as well.

I would therefore recommend that when you reply to an individual rather than
to the list, you respond using a blank email form (or that you erase all
addresses on the reply form) and type in the correct address without copying
and pasting.

May we all share great success in our searches.

Stephan Parnes
Lancaster, PA

Moderator's comment: It does work when you copy ONLY the sender's address
and paste it into a new email. Many automatically hit the "reply" button
which copies the ENTIRE digest and sends it to the list!

Dear Friends,

Many of us are very happy to help our fellow researchers when they post
requests for assistance. Sometimes we feel that the response is of
sufficient general interest to share with the List; other times we wish to
share information privately. When we share information privately, we may be
doing so because we feel it is not information that is significant to the
general list or we may wish to share something sensitive information
privately.

When we desire to respond privately to a posted email, therefore, we must be
careful to review the addresses to which our reply is being sent.

Last week, however, I discovered a completely new (to me) problem. I set
up a response to a particular member of the list. I was careful to remove
the list's address >from the headers. I left the email in HTML, which is not
accepted by the list. I sent it to the private email address of the
poster--and only later discovered that it did not go to the poster but
rather to the list. Fortunately, the email was bounced automatically.
Unfortunately, it was only days later that my information was transmitted to
the original poster.

When I looked further into the issue, I discovered that although individual
poster's address was in the "To" field on the reply form, it was only
apparently that address. The actual address (which was the listserv
address) was hidden by the poster's address.

While I am not technically knowledgeable enough to understand how this came
about, I realize that this may have happened to other researchers as well.

I would therefore recommend that when you reply to an individual rather than
to the list, you respond using a blank email form (or that you erase all
addresses on the reply form) and type in the correct address without copying
and pasting.

May we all share great success in our searches.

Stephan Parnes
Lancaster, PA

Moderator's comment: It does work when you copy ONLY the sender's address
and paste it into a new email. Many automatically hit the "reply" button
which copies the ENTIRE digest and sends it to the list!

Hi,
I am trying to find my paternal grandfather on the ship manifest. I know
the name of the ship and date of arrival >from his Petition for Citizenship.
And I found the manifest on Ancestry and Ellis Island. However, I cannot
find his name anywhere. I even checked the manifest for the same ship when
it arrived two months earlier with no luck. I had hoped to find his
Certificate of Arrival for Confirmation, but that document wasn't required
until the year after he arrived. Any suggestions?

Cheryl R. Lieberman
Falls Church, VA
Searching: Berg/Ehrenberg in Odessa, Gilbo/Gilpen in Kirovograd

Hi,
I am trying to find my paternal grandfather on the ship manifest. I know
the name of the ship and date of arrival >from his Petition for Citizenship.
And I found the manifest on Ancestry and Ellis Island. However, I cannot
find his name anywhere. I even checked the manifest for the same ship when
it arrived two months earlier with no luck. I had hoped to find his
Certificate of Arrival for Confirmation, but that document wasn't required
until the year after he arrived. Any suggestions?

Cheryl R. Lieberman
Falls Church, VA
Searching: Berg/Ehrenberg in Odessa, Gilbo/Gilpen in Kirovograd