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Re: Different Spellings of Surnames by Siblings #names

Linda Schildkraut
 

My husband's family had members that chose "Grobel" and others "Grabel".  The European spelling had an umlaut over the first vowel which affected the pronunciation. So different branches chose different spellings to try to approximate the original pronounciation.

Linda Schildkraut
Bayside, NY


Different spellings of surnames #germany #names

Eva Lawrence
 

Some people care about spelling, some people don't. At least two of my father's direct ancestors  clearly cared a lot. One, David Gimbel, couldn't even write very well.  His daughter Amalie was so enchanted with the only (I assume) letter she received from him, that I still have it, passed down through  four generations. It was obviously written for him by a scribe, who had put the signature Dein Vater, David Gimpel, but besides signing it  David Jacob, his Jewish name, in wobbly Hebrew characters David has crossed out the p and written in a b. That's understandable, as Gimpel is the local word for simpleton.
The letter is addressed to Amalie's husband, Abraham Ney, but here David wasn't so particular, because the scribe has written Abraham Neu. Most of the officials who recorded the family vital events during the 1800s also used the spelling Neu.  It sounded the same in the Pfalz dialect, but my ancestor Joseph Ney of Niederkirchen was very particular about the y. The first person to use the surname, he aways  signed with an emphatic y , as did his son, Abraham. In 1901 Joseph took the trouble to enshrine the y in law, with an Amtsgericht asserting that he had been using it before the 1808 Napoleonic Edict.   
My mother's ancestors weren't so pedantic, and seem to have moved from Ungar to Unger for a reason I can't fathom, though it may just be the transcription that changed, as the two spellings are hard to distinguish in manuscript.
 
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Eva Lawrence. 
St Albans, UK.


Help with tracing the Trezwik/Shavick family. from Leczna, Poland #poland

Nancy Shavick
 

I am researching my husband's family from the province of Leczna in Poland.  His father was Jankel (Jacob /Jack) Shavick who came to the UK about 1914.  The name became Shavick when the family came to the UK, in Poland Shavick was Trzewik.  His grandfather was Pejsach Trezwik.   According to the information I have been given by other family members Pejsach was born 15 April 1863 in Karczew, Lodzkie.  Apparently he died before 1920.  Pesach was married to Idesa Zylbersztajn. Idesa was born in 1866 and also died before 1920.  Their children were Baruch, Devora, Baila, Chaia, Icek, Tauba, Samuel and Jankel (Jacob, Jack).  Samuel was the first of the Shavicks to come over to the UK and Jankel came over to join him and to escape conscription into the Russian army,

I would be very grateful for any information which might help me with my research. Thank you, Nancy Shavick


BLAGUCHIN from Babruysk #belarus #names

Barbara Freedman
 

My husband’s grandfather was known as Bennie METTER in Toronto. Family legend is that METTER is a cousin’s name he adopted. His surname was actually BLAGUSHIN or BLAGUCHIN in Babruysk where he was born in 1890. 

Does anyone know the name BLAGUCHIN? It is unusual and I wonder about its origin. 
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Barbara Cohen Freedman
Raleigh North Carolina
CAPLAN YASKIN ABELOVE from ROGACHEV ZHLOBIN BELARUS
SCHWARTZ from BUCAREST ROMANIA
COHEN from RUSSIA
PHILADELPHIA


Re: Proposed Day to Devote to Holocaust Survivors #holocaust

relly800@...
 

Well said.  As the Talmud teaches: kol hamosif gorea -  less is more.
Relly Coleman


Re: Looking for advice how to find any information on my HOROVITZ family #hungary #holocaust

michele shari
 

Did you try the Arolson Archives? These are the records from the Holocaust as well as resettlement records from the ITS/International Tracing Service that was tasked with relocations and processing of survivors and others. I have found a lot of valuable information there although it is tedious sorting through it all as many categories are missing information and you have to open each person's file to find more info but some of it does have parents' information, children's information and even addresses, education, former addresses and pictures. For one of my Farkas relatives I found information on when his parents died and where they were buried and from there I found his mother's grave. And it had his signature, wife's name/maiden name and their children's info. 
Also, my Horowitz relatives spelled their names originally as Gurevitz/Gurevich/Gurevits and it was even spelled that way on some of their immigration papers. Horovitz can also be spelled Horvitz, Horvits, Horowich, Horovits and maybe some other spellings I have not thought of. On JG the alternate spelling should come up but on other databases you may have to type in each different spelling. It is worth a try. According to what I have read, there are 10,000 volunteers working to translate the Arolson records and bring them online so keep checking. 
I am also trying to find the 2 young children of my great uncle (Josef Maier Stauber) and have had no success. More records are coming on all the time. The more funds we donate to these causes the more records we can get. 
Also, did you do DNA? You never know when something will pop with that.
Michele Farkas
Boynton Beach, FL
Researching Farkas, Izsak, Rosenfeld, Taussig, Weiszhausz (Hungary and Transylvania), Stauber, Teszler, Herstik, Davidovici, Ganz, Malik, Fischman (Viseu, Romania and surrounding towns)


Re: Need copy of record located at LDS library - KLEPFISZ #poland #records

Mark Shapiro
 

Does the LDS FHC allow people to access their WiFi from outside their premises when they are closed?

Mark Shapiro
New York, NY


Re: SUMMARY OF RESPONSES AND HAPPY RESULTS! We believe we are related, but DNA doesn't show connection... ??? KLEPFISZ #poland #warsaw #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

Unfortunately FTDNA counts segments as small as 1 cM, while MyHeritage only counts from 6 cMs up.  Both overstate the true identical by descent cMs (the others are Identical by State).  The standard is 7 cM minimum where the chance of IBD=IBS.  Below 7 it is more likely to be IBS than IBD and over 7 the IBDs are much more likely. I have a similar disappointment in that my grandmother's father's descendants and I (where we should be 1/2 2C) come out as distant (and with my sister as well, on FTDNA and Ancestry).  I regretfully have come to the conclusion that my grandmother's father was indeed her step-father and that we do not know who her father was.
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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Request for ViewMate translation from Russian #translation

N. Summers
 

I'd love to have a translation for  a brief note on the back of a family
photo, c1909. I believe the handwriting is Russian.  I've had the photo
for some time, but just learned that a cousin has the original, which
has a note on it. I'm so excited, because I think it will help me figure
out who's in the photo. I believe it is my ggparents and gparents
(Finkelstein) and my gggm with her mother and sister (Sukenik).
Also, if you have any guesses about who might be able to afford a family
portrait like this--was it expensive in the early 1900s in Russia/Poland?

Thanks so very much

The link is here
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM92805
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Nancy(Finkelstein) Summers
Maryland

*FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKENIK, LUSMAN, GOLDINER*_Radziwillow,
_Russia _>Radzyliv_, Wolyn, Ukraine; _Ostroh_, Rivne, Poland>_Ostrog_,
Rovno, Ukraine; _Wolinsky_, Russia> _Volyn_, Ukraine;)
*SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (*(_Radziwillow_, Belarus/Ukraine; _Tel Aviv_,
Palestine/Israel)
*LISS > ALPER*(_Motol_, _Pinsk_,_Minsk, _Russia/Belarus)
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Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA

 

FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine)

LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)

LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)


Re: Different Spellings of Surnames by Siblings #names

Judith Singer
 

At least those different spellings of surnames in your family all sound the same, so they're easily explained. In my family I have great-uncles surnamed Charney and Chernoff and earlier transliterations in the JewishGen records are even more varied.

You don't mention how and when your father-in-law's family arrived in the U.S., but because of the different spellings, my guess is that each one with a different spelling arrived separately. Living in Latvia, they primarily spoke Yiddish and Russian, the first written in the Hebrew alphabet and the second in the Cyrillic alphabet. When they gave their names to the steamship company's agent when purchasing tickets or to the company's officer when being listed on the shippping company's manifest before boarding the ship, that person wrote down his best guess at how the name should be written in the alphabet we use. That was the first time anyone would have written the name in this alphabet. Since there were no definitive rules about how to represent a sound from a different alphabet in English, a little variation by different ship's agents or employees is not unusual. 

When they came to the U.S., the brothers probably continued to use whatever spelling was on their ticket.

It's also possible that they arrived at the same time with the same spelling but due to a cultural history of not caring much about surnames plus lack of familiarity with English and its alphabet, the brothers wrote the name differently after arrival. My grandfather used the spellings Wolf, Woolf, and Wolfe on different U.S. census reports. It didn't matter. Spellings of names after arrival in the U.S. often didn't become consistent year after year until the person filed a petition for naturalization or signed some other official document such as a draft registration card. 

Judith Singer
researching CHARNEY and variations in Lithuania, SORTMAN and variations in Lithuania

 


Adoption files in Poland #poland #lodz

wenglenski virginie
 

Hello,
I was wondering if there were any adoption files in the Jewish community of Lodz between 1900 and 1915.
My grandfather was born of an unknown father but he immigrated at the age of 2 with his mother and another man who eventually became his father in the naturalization application papers in France.
Could they have had an adoption document to go from Lodz to Paris without too much trouble?
Thank you for your precious answers.

Virginie Wenglenski


Fuksman, Shteinberg, Reicher from Chernihiv, Zhytomyr and Radomysl #ukraine

Kmicklin@...
 

Shmuel Hersch (Tsvi) Fuksman, son of Shlomo, born about 1856, had 4 brothers and 2 sisters, married Brindel/ Bryna. He was a dairy farmer in Chernihiv and had 6 daughters. Shmuel Hersch died Mar. 9, 1900. His sister Lasia married Layb Shteinberg. Lasia died about 1895. Shmuel Hersch’s widow, Brindel, married Layb Shteinberg about 1900 and they had twin daughters. Brindel’s daughter, Etta, married Layb’s son Fishel. There were multiple marriages within the family group to the Reicher family and they all appear to go back and forth between Chernihiv and Zhytomyr. A few of Shmuel Hersch’s nieces (his brothers’ daughters) were born in Radomysl. So many daughters in this family! Any help finding this group would be very appreciated!

Kathleen Micklin kmicklin@...


Re: surname adoption in Czernigow #ukraine #names #russia

mvayser@...
 

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 01:27 AM, Family and DNA wrote:
Jews did not originally live in Czernigow or Poltava
There was a Jewish community in Chernigov in the 11th century.  The city was destroyed in the following century.  Jewish population started moving into the city again in the early 1600's.
As far as Poltava, there were Jewish residents in the area in the 17th century, but the communities were destroyed during the Khmelnitsky revolt.  After the partition of Poland, Jewish population started growing again in the area.

All Jews in that area were required to have a last name by the early 19th century.

Mike Vayser


Re: Recommend a book on the origins of the Hungarian Jews? #hungary #general

stephen@...
 

The Jews of Hungary: History, Culture, Psychology, by Raphael Patai

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Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne, Australia
stephen@...


Re: How to display details of documents on the Danzig database #danzig #records

r.peeters
 

Hi Logan, 

It's been some time that we have been in contact over the Gall documents on Hirsch Lewin PERLBACH. The many letters offered a lot of information about the descendants of Jacob LEVIN, children, grand-children, great-grandchildren. The Kurrent-style script didnot make it easy to read and translate them (many only partly) but I managed to find the towns where they lived and who they were married to.
I will gladly take a stab at the documents I mentioned and when I get more and more experienced to read Kurrent see what I can do with others in the collecion of the Danzig database.
Regards,
Ron Peeters (NL)


Re: Translation of document help #germany #translation

d.mayer@...
 

Hi Sebastian,

For argument's sake, and to extend Rodney's response, there is one line in this page that could correspond to what you're looking for.
In the left column corresponding to indexed page 676, the name reads : Yett'che bat yts'chaq (read 'ch' as in german 'machen') meaning "Yett'che daughter of Isaac". I am not totally sure of the firstname actually so if anyone can confirm that would be good, but it sounds like a possible match to Henriette.

Just to clarify, as you probably know, jews only took on official family names around 1807/8 or even later depending on location. Prior to this name taking event, their names were in the shape of <first name> daughter of <first name of father> . In your case this could suggest that Henriette's father's name was Isaac (Itzig is a variant, and in hebrew Isaac is spelled yts'chaq (again pronouncing 'ch' as in 'machen'). So getting back to this document, Yett'che bat Yts'chaq could be your Henriette. This is just one possible scenario.

Also, please note that the hebrew equivalent of Elizabeth would be Elisheva, starting with an aleph (first letter of the hebrew alphabet), so probably in the first few pages of the document you are referring to.

If you want to contact me by email and share more details I will be glad to do a bit of digging for you.

Best Regards,
Daniel Mayer
d.mayer@...





Re: Barysaw Belarus Jewish Records #belarus #records

David Gordon
 

I would also be interested depending on the extent and nature of the records that exist that are not already published elsewhere, like Belarus SIG.
David Gordon


Re: surname adoption in Czernigow #ukraine #names #russia

Family and DNA
 

Thanks to Harry for this interesting & helpful response. I’d guess that the name BENIN was based on a past Benjamin in the family, but I doubt we will ever know – especially since there are very few records left from Chernihiv. I’ve heard the story from various people that one brother chose the name, & since there were no other marriages or rifts, I figure Berland was chosen pretty much at random.

 

I have a question about timing – is there a consensus on when folks from that area of “Russia” would have taken a surname? If I understand correctly, Jews did not originally live in Czernigow or Poltava, but would have emigrated there some time after the partitions of Poland. My GG GF Abraham Yitchak was born around 1860, if we could ever find his birth info would that have a surname? What about the birth of his father Pinkus, would he have a surname at birth, or some time afterwards?

 

Regards,
Juliana Berland (France)

 

 

From: main@... <main@...> On Behalf Of Henry Carrey Boston,MA . Carey/Kirzhner/Berestyaner , Belous , Isenberg - Lutsk ; Postolov/Herman/Kolovsky-Zhitomir
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 11:31 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] surname translation #russia #yiddish #ukraine #names

 

I replied to this the other day and for some reason , it never took . 

FYI the word for " bee" in Yiddish is " der bin"  . A beekeeper is a " Biner " .  "bril-YAHNT"  is one way of saying diamond in Yiddish  ( cognate of brilliant in English ) and could be the origin of the name Berland . You would have to dig into family lore to find out why they changed it to Berland . Sometimes,  people thought that families they married into had more prestigious names or sometimes there was a rift in the family or a second or third marriage . 

It is probable that as Mr. Jacobson says , it is a variant of " Benjamin , or given that it is another word with an "in" ending as is common in Russian surnames ( still could be from Benjamin,)  or could have a Hebrew derivation of some kind , or possibly could have a complicated derivation from a biblical reference to bees ( highly unlikely ) . I include the last possibility only because of Rose's recollection that it had something to do with bees.  It is more likely that the name was pronounced something like " Binin " and people thought it sounded like "Binen - bees " and came up with a " folk etymology " which is what Rose remembered . Of course , you can't overlook the possibility that Abe tinkered with the name to make it sound more Hebrew (??? ) 

I caution you against assuming that the surname has anything to do with a profession that someone had in the late 19th and early 20th centuries . First  of all , most Eastern European Jews did not take surnames until the beginning of the 19th century and and only some of them were related to professions . The fact the someone was a " painter" in the US and and a "tradesman" in Romny would not be connected to the surname their grandfathers would have taken on about a hundred years earlier . 

In sum , it is highly unlikely that the name has any connection to the profession of beekeeper and slightly less unlikely that it could have a remote biblical connection to bees just because "binen" means bees in Yiddish . 

Hope this helps . 
 
--
Henry H. Carrey

 


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Recommend a book on the origins of the Hungarian Jews? #hungary #general

Michael
 

Hi:

Can anyone recommend a book in English on the origins of the Hungarian Jews - from the various waves from the Rhine Palatinate, Moravia, Poland. Ukraine, Northern Italy, Spain, the Ottomans, etc. - that is the period of the middle ages through to about 1848?

Much appreciated,

Michael Warman (Wahrmann)


Re: Barysaw Belarus Jewish Records #belarus #records

dgleave1948@...
 

Yes, I am interested. By coincidence I just wrote to Yuri last week to do some research on my grandfather who was from Pinsk. However, I have just discovered that my grandmother Chana Goldie Shifrin may have been from Borisov. I also just learned that Barysaw is the name for same town. Yuri has done research for me in the past and he was able to dig up facts about my Breslin relatives from Tolochin, Belarus. I would really like to know if my grandmother Chana Golde Shifrin was from Borisov. I have seen the name Shifrin in the records of cemetery burials for Borisov and the 1879 Cheder school listing for Borisov. I am anxious to find out more information on Chana and would be happy to share the cost of further research. Diana Gleave dgleave1948@...

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