Re: Can Animals Commit a Murder? #translation #germany #names

Ralph Baer

So far everyone who has replied has stated that "ermordert" (ermordet in current German) should be translated in this case as killed. That is, the oxen killed Scheier GRÜNEBAUM. Thanks again.

I did receive a reply stating that until the eighteenth century in Europe animals were sometimes tried in court. This was a bit later, 1823, but I doubt that the oxen were actually tried. A Wikipedia article was quoted, but not by name. 
Ralph N. Baer        RalphNBaer@...       Washington, DC

Re: Can Animals Commit a Murder? #translation #germany #names


Actually, there have been animals convicted of crimes historically.
Tema Frank
Edmonton, Canada

Re: Can Animals Commit a Murder? #translation #germany #names


On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 08:04 AM, Ralph Baer wrote:

My German not being what it once was, I quickly googled the words ermordert and ermordet. (The former could be a misspelling, btw.)  In addition to murder, other translations include slay and wasted. I suspect that the language has not changed so much in 200 years that these words could not be reasonably used rather than murdered.

Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: Arolsen Archives #holocaust #records

Jan Meisels Allen

Sally said she never received a response from Arolsen. When I wrote to them years ago they replied they had nothing. Now that their materials are online a cousin found 28 pages of documents that broke several brick walls including learning that my mgm had 3 sisters not 2 and their names, including one's married name, and her son who immigrated to Israel  in 1947.  It’s always worth looking again especially since the materials are online at no cost.


Jan Meisels Allen

Agoura Hills, CA, USA


REICH, WALD, ZUPNIK, Presov, Mestiszko, Szivdnik; Salgo, Sebes Kellemes,Slovakia (formerly Hungary)


 KLAJNMAN, MICHELBERG, SYK, SZLANG, TYKULSKIER Sochaczew, Chorzele, and Zakroczym Poland



 GUTFARB --Zambrow, Poland ASZ, Nasielsk, Poland  ELION, Suwalki Lithuania



Re: Late birth registrations #poland #records

David Levine


Was your ancestor born in Galicia?
Austria made it very difficult for Jews to register marriages and births. There was a tax involved in the hopes that less Jews would marry and reproduce.

Therefore, Jewish records were kept by the community far more than the official state authorities in Galicia.

When they needed to transact something that involved the state - say an inheritance - they would register with the result being these much-later-after-the-fact records.


Best Regards,
David Levine
San Francisco, CA, USA
Weinstein -> Solotwina, Galicia | Frisch, Hilman, Jungerman, Schindler -> Rozniatow, Galicia | Golanski, Kramerofsky/Kromerovsky -> Kiev | Lefkowitz -> Petrikov, Belarus | Shub, Rosen Hlusk, Belarus | Levine, Weiner, Zamoshkin -> Slutsk, Belarus 

ViewMate Translation request -Hebrew #translation

Alan Klein

I request a translation of the Hebrew text on a Gravestone. It is on ViewMate at the following address

Please respond using the online ViewMate form.

Thank you so much,

Alan Klein



Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Alan Klein

Re: Looking for a Jewish Genealogy DNA Book #dna

JoAnne Goldberg

For people who understand the basics of DNA testing, especially as it relates to our particular endogamous population, and want to take a deep dive into figuring out mysteries in their own family, Israel's book is a must-read. It is not for beginners though! And to try to replicate his techniques, you will need to talk as many known relatives as possible into DNA testing. 

I second the recommendation for Lara Diamond's blog, and Kitty Cooper is also great -- --  and her most recent post is particularly relevant to those getting started. 


JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535


Families BARTMANN and SCHAPIRA in Russia and Poland #poland


Does anyone have any information on Ignaz Schewach BARTMANN, born in 19th century Russia and died young in Poland, or his wife Rosalia SCHAPIRA, born in 19th century Austria and died young in Poland in 1918, or anyone in the BARTMANN or SCHAPIRA families?   
From Barry Bartman

Re: Arolsen Archives #holocaust #records


contacted Arolsen archives several years ago and never received a reply
Sally Steiner Mann

Re: Can anyone help me figure out these names? #names #records #ukraine


Looking at the names of the witnesses, I think Spandau is a better intrpertation.  Spandau is a suburb of Berlin.

David Rosen
Boston, Massachusetts, USA.

On 3/29/2021 9:28 AM, Mike Coleman via wrote:
I'm glad that Sherri Bobish disregarded "MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately".

This is how Family Search interprets it :

Mike Coleman   London U.K.

Re: Looking for a Jewish Genealogy DNA Book #dna

Richard Werbin

The book is available free at Amazon if you have a KindleUnlimited subscription.
19 Reviews: 4.5 / 5

But, following review suggests it is for beginners only. Israel Pickholtz book is detailed and very advanced.

Reviewed in the United States on December 19, 2019
Verified Purchase
I was excited when this book arrived. But it was a disappointment, the Author is not a specialist in genealogy, he is just a guy who did his own DNA test and writes about it. There are a few charts from other sources, but many of them were illegible. You can learn more from Wikipedia.
Richard Werbin    New York, New York     JGSNY Membership Vice President

ViewMate Translation Request - Yiddish #yiddish #translation

Robert Mandelbaum

I have posted to ViewMate the back of a postcard sent from Poland. I would very much appreciate a translation of the Yiddish writing. The file can be found at the following address:

Please respond using the form provided in the ViewMate application or to me directly at rmandelbau@....

Thank you very much,
Robert Mandelbaum
New York, New York

Re: ViewMate translation request - Russian #holocaust #romania #translation




Over 45















Not born

Remember the relatives of those killed in the SHOA

Comment:  All text in Russian in follow-up order, except numbers and Hebrew words.

Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Columbus, OH

Re: Can anyone help me figure out these names? #names #records #ukraine

Mike Coleman

I'm glad that Sherri Bobish disregarded "MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately".

This is how Family Search interprets it :

Mike Coleman   London U.K.

Re: Child of holocaust survivors seeks to obtain Polish citizenship #general #poland

David Cherson

I had enough trouble trying to understand why Jews seek German citizenship (yes my late wife was a child of German Jews), but seeking Polish citizenship just boggles my mind.  I can at least credit Germany for trying to combat their anti-semitism and racism but I can find nothing good to say about Poland, particularly the government that is in power and a good portion of it's population.  Oh I understand the principle, her parents had a right to citizenship and it was taken away, etc.  But it really disappoints me that there isn't an equal desire to make aliyah and gain Israeli citizenship.  Just because you might not like the government and the society doesn't fit your desired mold is no reason.  By becoming a citizen you can help change those things more than you can from the outside.

David Cherson

“Legacies of European Jewry: The Second Generation and Beyond” — April 6, 2021 #galicia #poland #announcements

Gesher Galicia SIG

Please join us for this year’s program of Yom HaShoah commemoration, co-sponsored by Gesher Galicia. The Center for Judaic Studies and Contemporary Jewish Life at the University of Connecticut, Stamford Campus will host a panel discussion on the legacies of the European Jewish experience. The event is open to the public.

Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021
Time: 7:00 p.m.–8:30 p.m. EDT

To attend via Zoom, please register below:

Dr. Frederick Roden, Professor of English and Coordinator of the UConn Stamford Center for Judaic Studies and Contemporary Jewish Life.

Panelists will include:
Dr. Andrew Zalewski, vice president of Gesher Galicia, an organization dedicated to the history of Jewish Galicia, and author of two books on Austrian Galicia.

Leora Tec, founder of Bridge to Poland that promotes dialogue between 
contemporary Poles and American Jews.

Ralph Berger, an editor of his parents' writings as members of the 
Bielski partisans who survived Nazism in the Belorussian forests, the subject of Nechama Tec's book Defiance and its film adaptation.

Dr. Andrew Zalewski
Gesher Galicia, Vice President
Public Education, subsection
Send all inquiries to info@...

Bergier/porcelan/nudel/cukier/ #poland

ירוחם צבי קינסטליך mother born in bilgoraj poland .her parents from bilgoraj poland  were BERGIER Benjamin Zajnwelh(holocaust victim) married  NUDEL Chaja Sura.    
  benjamin parents were   Moszek BERGIER and       Ajdla Golda PORCELAN.                                       
  chaja sura parents were  jba Josef NUDEL  and    Necha CUKIER.
bergier and nudel for sure from bilgoraj the others in the area i dont know more and for my old mommy i need to know who were their parents of what i mentioned mybe even more...
thanks a lot for any details.


JGSIG April Meeting, Tues 4/13/21 10-11:30 am on Zoom - RSVP #announcements #education

Arthur Sissman

JGSIG April Meeting, Tues 4/13/21 10-11:30 am on Zoom - RSVP

Hi Jgenners,


The April meeting will feature this topic:

Multi-Website Searches - Streamlining Your Research - Tips & Tricks


The general idea of this topic is to have the ability to search multiple genealogy websites using the same data starting from one site.


That is what this interactive presentation is all about.

The attendees will receive a pdf file & Zoom link before the meeting.

The pdf will allow you to get set up for the meeting - 

  • Download a Chrome extension to use.
  • Find the Genealogy Dashboard for use.
  • Discover the wonders of SteveMorse.
  • Several articles and videos on how to set up your device(s) in Windows 10 and MacOS and various tablets to use Split Screen or 2 monitors.
  • Prep or don’t prep!

I hope to see you on Tues 4/13/at 10 am.

If you prep and develop some questions or comments on the topic, send them to me.


The presentation will go about 1 hour, leaving 30 min for your questions.


Hit the return arrow below and reserve you spot now - you will receive more info about the group!!



Arthur Sissman
Jewish Genealogy SIG of Naples/Collier Co FL

brackets on records #records


Would anyone have any experience in brackets on records, please?

I have read that '(MALE) or (FEMALE) accompanied by surname' on birth records indicates a baby that might have passed and so no name given. Is this also possible with adoption? This is 1930's UK.

Thanks in advance
Mandy Molava
Researching Brest Belarus Russia Galacia and much more.

Yiddish Translation request #translation

Hazel Finn

Subj: ViewMate translation request - Yiddish

I've posted a vital record in Yiddish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

Hazel Finn

London, UK


5421 - 5440 of 662632