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BREUERS of Lucenec (Thanks) #hungary

Alyson Breuer
 

Dear Genners:

I am so touched and heartened by the gracious gestures of assistance
extended in response to the recent postings regarding the search for
my BREUER family in Lucenec, Slovakia and want to thank everyone for
their suggestions and for sharing knowledge about =E2=80=9Ctheir=E2=80=9D B=
REUERS.

Given the paucity of available records outside Slovakia, it is there
that I must therefore concentrate my energies initially and hope that
any information gleaned will later lead to wider contact with some of
you. If the moderators permit, I will update researchers on any
positive developments but it will be months, if not years before this
project reaches any firm definition, so bear with me.

The genealogical community worldwide is full of kind researchers
anxious and willing to offer help -- a most reassuring advantage to
one who is undertaking a real research challenge. I would like to
single out Nancy Holden most particularly in keeping the research flag
flying with suggestions and support.

A peripheral benefit has been contact with a previously unknown
descendant of another family branch =E2=80=93 the SAMEL family of Teplice =
=E2=80=93
and I urge you all to scan the names listed by other Genners because
there may be an amazing potential encounter in the offing for you,
too!

Many thanks to you all and please keep your fingers crossed; I have my
work cut out in furthering this endeavor!

Regards,

Alyson BREUER, Northbrook, IL

Researching BREUER, PAUNCZ, SCHLESINGER, STOSSEL, BRAUN and GROSZ in
Lucenec, Slovakia and
RINDSKOPF, RIETHOF, SAMEL, HAUSER, ADLER, BECHERT, HOLLAENDER, KOHN,
OESTERREICHER, PERUTZ, ROUBITSCHEK and HELLER in Teplice and Prague,
Czech Republic


FRIEDMAN family arrival assistance #hungary

Jay Gilbert
 

I have received a number of responses to my recent request for assistance to
this list, and I want to report complete success with the location of the
arrival information for the specific members of my FRIEDMAN family that I
sought, which on my own I have not been able to find for many years. I have
thanked everyone who responded to me; I am grateful for their prompt and
accurate assistance. I would also like to publicly thank the members of
this list, who always seem to be willing to share their knowledge, to make
valuable suggestions, and to be so generous with their time.

Jay Gilbert
Hastings on Hudson, NY

Researching GELBERT (any) in Hungary; FRIEDMAN in Ungvar/Uzhhorod; GUTTMAN
in Homonna/Humenne, Slovakia; BRUCHOWSKI in Gac/Lomza Poland; WAJSENFELD in
Lomza, Poland.


Hungary SIG #Hungary BREUERS of Lucenec (Thanks) #hungary

Alyson Breuer
 

Dear Genners:

I am so touched and heartened by the gracious gestures of assistance
extended in response to the recent postings regarding the search for
my BREUER family in Lucenec, Slovakia and want to thank everyone for
their suggestions and for sharing knowledge about =E2=80=9Ctheir=E2=80=9D B=
REUERS.

Given the paucity of available records outside Slovakia, it is there
that I must therefore concentrate my energies initially and hope that
any information gleaned will later lead to wider contact with some of
you. If the moderators permit, I will update researchers on any
positive developments but it will be months, if not years before this
project reaches any firm definition, so bear with me.

The genealogical community worldwide is full of kind researchers
anxious and willing to offer help -- a most reassuring advantage to
one who is undertaking a real research challenge. I would like to
single out Nancy Holden most particularly in keeping the research flag
flying with suggestions and support.

A peripheral benefit has been contact with a previously unknown
descendant of another family branch =E2=80=93 the SAMEL family of Teplice =
=E2=80=93
and I urge you all to scan the names listed by other Genners because
there may be an amazing potential encounter in the offing for you,
too!

Many thanks to you all and please keep your fingers crossed; I have my
work cut out in furthering this endeavor!

Regards,

Alyson BREUER, Northbrook, IL

Researching BREUER, PAUNCZ, SCHLESINGER, STOSSEL, BRAUN and GROSZ in
Lucenec, Slovakia and
RINDSKOPF, RIETHOF, SAMEL, HAUSER, ADLER, BECHERT, HOLLAENDER, KOHN,
OESTERREICHER, PERUTZ, ROUBITSCHEK and HELLER in Teplice and Prague,
Czech Republic


Hungary SIG #Hungary FRIEDMAN family arrival assistance #hungary

Jay Gilbert
 

I have received a number of responses to my recent request for assistance to
this list, and I want to report complete success with the location of the
arrival information for the specific members of my FRIEDMAN family that I
sought, which on my own I have not been able to find for many years. I have
thanked everyone who responded to me; I am grateful for their prompt and
accurate assistance. I would also like to publicly thank the members of
this list, who always seem to be willing to share their knowledge, to make
valuable suggestions, and to be so generous with their time.

Jay Gilbert
Hastings on Hudson, NY

Researching GELBERT (any) in Hungary; FRIEDMAN in Ungvar/Uzhhorod; GUTTMAN
in Homonna/Humenne, Slovakia; BRUCHOWSKI in Gac/Lomza Poland; WAJSENFELD in
Lomza, Poland.


All Galicia Database: new records added for Lemberg/Lwow and various towns #austria-czech

Pamela Weisberger
 

The following new data-sets have been recently added to the All
Galicia Database:

http://search.geshergalicia.org

- Lviv Birth, Marriage and Death records added (08/27/2015)
- Monasterzyska birth and death records added (08/26/2015)
- Horodenka birth records (1851-1867, 1886-1914) (added 07/25/2015)
- Various towns Jewish birth, marriage and death records added.
(added 07/21/15)
- Zurow Landowners (1848) (added 07/21/15)
- Podwoloczyska Death records (1877-1939) (added 07/21/15)

A few notes on the Lwow data:

Jewish vital records for Lemberg/Lwow/Lvov/Lviv are located in
archives in both Warsaw, Poland and Lviv, Ukraine. As a general rule,
JRI-Poland is indexing the Warsaw-held records and Gesher Galicia is
indexing Lviv Historical Archive-held records. To do a thorough
search for your family you need to consult both databases as there
currently is no overlap between the two.
Even if you don't know of any connections to Lwow, keep in mind that
many Galician families had relatives living there and often those in
more distant shtetls passed through Lwow, often staying for months or
years before heading elsewhere. Families >from the Pale of Settlement,
Vienna or elsewhere might have also spent time in Lemberg. You may be
surprised by what you find.

Gesher Galicia's Lwow indexing team, lead by Eric Bloch, has done an
extraordinary work with these challenging records, indexing all the
fields including profession, house number, congregational (family)
number, women's maiden names, notes on different spellings,
legitimacy, etc. These new vital records cover 1839-1861, with
additional corrections and/or notations for later years.

You may get duplicate results for the same person. Why? Each set is
found on different microfilms taken >from different books of the same
event. (Often there were duplicates kept.) Eric's team has found
enough variations in these duplicates that they feel they should all
remain. For example, some are written in Kurrent script, but the
duplicate is in Latin script. Spellings are different, and sometimes
the notations found with the records are different, or may not even
exist in one but found in the other. Including the duplicates allows
the researcher the option of viewing different records for the same
event. So if you find repeat results for your name you have the
opportunity to examine both records.

Here are a few examples on the kinds of information found in the
"notes" or "comments" section that these indexing teams have included:

- Surnames of child and father may be spelled differently; father's
surname RETTEL and mother's maiden name DORF/DAALE/DARLEIN ('IN'
probably a female suffix in DARLEIN) in other records]

- According to Lemberg magistrate >from 14 Jan 1929 CZYSZ is the
correct surname spelling

- Surnames of child and father spelled differently; SCHEITEL may be
child's middle name rather than her surname.

- DUBIENSKI recorded following the surname CZACZKES but crossed out;
reference to 28? May 1884 and DUBIENSKI in a notation following
record. (This >from a 20 year old record.)

- This regarding an 1853 birth: reference to 24 Nov 1911, 15 Mar 1912,
26 Mar 1912, 27 Mar 1912 and change of child's surname >from KORKES to
GOLDSTEIN in notation following record.

- Name corrected >from Sara v. Sosie OSTERSEZER to Sara OSTERSETZER 21
Jul 1880 (This relates to an 1860 marriage.)

And you wonder why Galician genealogical research can be so complicated!

So take the plunge and try searching these new records to see what you
can discover. You can check the box on the AGD to only search the
newer uploads.

Feel free to share any discoveries (or questions) with respect to the
Lwow records with Gesher Galicia/

Pamela Weisberger
Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@gmail.com
www.geshergalicia.org
http://search.geshergalicia.org


ViewMate translation request - German #austria-czech

Pierre HAHN
 

I've posted the back of a photograph for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41972

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

--
Pierre M Hahn, San Francisco


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech All Galicia Database: new records added for Lemberg/Lwow and various towns #austria-czech

Pamela Weisberger
 

The following new data-sets have been recently added to the All
Galicia Database:

http://search.geshergalicia.org

- Lviv Birth, Marriage and Death records added (08/27/2015)
- Monasterzyska birth and death records added (08/26/2015)
- Horodenka birth records (1851-1867, 1886-1914) (added 07/25/2015)
- Various towns Jewish birth, marriage and death records added.
(added 07/21/15)
- Zurow Landowners (1848) (added 07/21/15)
- Podwoloczyska Death records (1877-1939) (added 07/21/15)

A few notes on the Lwow data:

Jewish vital records for Lemberg/Lwow/Lvov/Lviv are located in
archives in both Warsaw, Poland and Lviv, Ukraine. As a general rule,
JRI-Poland is indexing the Warsaw-held records and Gesher Galicia is
indexing Lviv Historical Archive-held records. To do a thorough
search for your family you need to consult both databases as there
currently is no overlap between the two.
Even if you don't know of any connections to Lwow, keep in mind that
many Galician families had relatives living there and often those in
more distant shtetls passed through Lwow, often staying for months or
years before heading elsewhere. Families >from the Pale of Settlement,
Vienna or elsewhere might have also spent time in Lemberg. You may be
surprised by what you find.

Gesher Galicia's Lwow indexing team, lead by Eric Bloch, has done an
extraordinary work with these challenging records, indexing all the
fields including profession, house number, congregational (family)
number, women's maiden names, notes on different spellings,
legitimacy, etc. These new vital records cover 1839-1861, with
additional corrections and/or notations for later years.

You may get duplicate results for the same person. Why? Each set is
found on different microfilms taken >from different books of the same
event. (Often there were duplicates kept.) Eric's team has found
enough variations in these duplicates that they feel they should all
remain. For example, some are written in Kurrent script, but the
duplicate is in Latin script. Spellings are different, and sometimes
the notations found with the records are different, or may not even
exist in one but found in the other. Including the duplicates allows
the researcher the option of viewing different records for the same
event. So if you find repeat results for your name you have the
opportunity to examine both records.

Here are a few examples on the kinds of information found in the
"notes" or "comments" section that these indexing teams have included:

- Surnames of child and father may be spelled differently; father's
surname RETTEL and mother's maiden name DORF/DAALE/DARLEIN ('IN'
probably a female suffix in DARLEIN) in other records]

- According to Lemberg magistrate >from 14 Jan 1929 CZYSZ is the
correct surname spelling

- Surnames of child and father spelled differently; SCHEITEL may be
child's middle name rather than her surname.

- DUBIENSKI recorded following the surname CZACZKES but crossed out;
reference to 28? May 1884 and DUBIENSKI in a notation following
record. (This >from a 20 year old record.)

- This regarding an 1853 birth: reference to 24 Nov 1911, 15 Mar 1912,
26 Mar 1912, 27 Mar 1912 and change of child's surname >from KORKES to
GOLDSTEIN in notation following record.

- Name corrected >from Sara v. Sosie OSTERSEZER to Sara OSTERSETZER 21
Jul 1880 (This relates to an 1860 marriage.)

And you wonder why Galician genealogical research can be so complicated!

So take the plunge and try searching these new records to see what you
can discover. You can check the box on the AGD to only search the
newer uploads.

Feel free to share any discoveries (or questions) with respect to the
Lwow records with Gesher Galicia/

Pamela Weisberger
Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@gmail.com
www.geshergalicia.org
http://search.geshergalicia.org


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech ViewMate translation request - German #austria-czech

Pierre HAHN
 

I've posted the back of a photograph for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41972

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

--
Pierre M Hahn, San Francisco


BREUERS of Lucenec (Thanks) #austria-czech

Alyson Breuer
 

Dear Genners:

I am so touched and heartened by the gracious gestures of assistance
extended in response to the recent postings regarding the search for
my BREUER family in Lucenec, Slovakia and want to thank everyone for
their suggestions and for sharing knowledge about their BREUERS.

Given the paucity of available records outside Slovakia, it is there
that I must therefore concentrate my energies initially and hope that
any information gleaned will later lead to wider contact with some of
you. If the moderators permit, I will update researchers on any
positive developments but it will be months, if not years before this
project reaches any firm definition, so bear with me.

The genealogical community worldwide is full of kind researchers
anxious and willing to offer help -- a most reassuring advantage to
one who is undertaking a real research challenge. I would like to
single out Nancy Holden most particularly in keeping the research flag
flying with suggestions and support.

A peripheral benefit has been contact with a previously unknown
descendant of another family branch the SAMEL family of Teplice
and I urge you all to scan the names listed by other Genners because
there may be an amazing potential encounter in the offing for you,
too!

Many thanks to you all and please keep your fingers crossed; I have my
work cut out in furthering this endeavor!

Regards,

Alyson BREUER, Northbrook, IL

Researching BREUER, PAUNCZ, SCHLESINGER, STOSSEL, BRAUN and GROSZ in
Lucenec, Slovakia and
RINDSKOPF, RIETHOF, SAMEL, HAUSER, ADLER, BECHERT, HOLLAENDER, KOHN,
OESTERREICHER, PERUTZ, ROUBITSCHEK and HELLER in Teplice and Prague,
Czech Republic


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech BREUERS of Lucenec (Thanks) #austria-czech

Alyson Breuer
 

Dear Genners:

I am so touched and heartened by the gracious gestures of assistance
extended in response to the recent postings regarding the search for
my BREUER family in Lucenec, Slovakia and want to thank everyone for
their suggestions and for sharing knowledge about their BREUERS.

Given the paucity of available records outside Slovakia, it is there
that I must therefore concentrate my energies initially and hope that
any information gleaned will later lead to wider contact with some of
you. If the moderators permit, I will update researchers on any
positive developments but it will be months, if not years before this
project reaches any firm definition, so bear with me.

The genealogical community worldwide is full of kind researchers
anxious and willing to offer help -- a most reassuring advantage to
one who is undertaking a real research challenge. I would like to
single out Nancy Holden most particularly in keeping the research flag
flying with suggestions and support.

A peripheral benefit has been contact with a previously unknown
descendant of another family branch the SAMEL family of Teplice
and I urge you all to scan the names listed by other Genners because
there may be an amazing potential encounter in the offing for you,
too!

Many thanks to you all and please keep your fingers crossed; I have my
work cut out in furthering this endeavor!

Regards,

Alyson BREUER, Northbrook, IL

Researching BREUER, PAUNCZ, SCHLESINGER, STOSSEL, BRAUN and GROSZ in
Lucenec, Slovakia and
RINDSKOPF, RIETHOF, SAMEL, HAUSER, ADLER, BECHERT, HOLLAENDER, KOHN,
OESTERREICHER, PERUTZ, ROUBITSCHEK and HELLER in Teplice and Prague,
Czech Republic


Vienna records #austria-czech

sonapplepie@...
 

Dear Peter,
I would very much like to know how you accessed the IKW database. Thanks so
much for your help.
Sonia Appell


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Vienna records #austria-czech

sonapplepie@...
 

Dear Peter,
I would very much like to know how you accessed the IKW database. Thanks so
much for your help.
Sonia Appell


Re: BREUERs born in Lucenec, Slovakia and on the move! #austria-czech

carolevogel51@...
 

Dear Alyson Breuer,

It is very possible that your Breuer family came >from Mattersdorf,
Hungary (now Mattersburg , Austria). To have the Breuer surname, one
presumably had a male ancestor who was a brewer or a male ancestor who
married a brewer's daughter (or the daughter of a male Breuer
descendant) and adopted the Breuer surname. It took a great deal of
money to buy the right >from the feudal lord to run a brewery. The only
Jewish brewery owners that I have come across in the Austria-Hungarian
empire is the Breuer family >from Mattersdorf who began operating a
brewery in Mattersdorf in the 1600s.

My colleague Yitzchok Stroh and I have tracked this family forward
from the 1600s to the present day and identified more than 6400 people
in 14 generations. Your family does not show up but it is possible
that if you can go back another generation or two I can place you in
this family. I would be very interested in knowing if there was
another Jewish brewery owner in the Austrian-Hungarian empire.


Carole Garbuny Vogel
Branchville, New Jersey, USA


meldezettel documents from Vienna #austria-czech

Milton Koch
 

I have a series of documents/records of my family indicating several
children at an address that I recognize. However, I do NOT recognize
some of the names- and have never seen them before.
Another document reflects a desire to move to Israel
in 1934 with a date in 1938 that seems to be the official acceptance date.
Much of this information is quite confusing.
I would appreciate any/all help in trying to make sense of much of this
confusion.
Please contact me privately.
Milton Koch
GINSBERG/BARBASCH/KOCH-Galicia, Vienna


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE:BREUERs born in Lucenec, Slovakia and on the move! #austria-czech

carolevogel51@...
 

Dear Alyson Breuer,

It is very possible that your Breuer family came >from Mattersdorf,
Hungary (now Mattersburg , Austria). To have the Breuer surname, one
presumably had a male ancestor who was a brewer or a male ancestor who
married a brewer's daughter (or the daughter of a male Breuer
descendant) and adopted the Breuer surname. It took a great deal of
money to buy the right >from the feudal lord to run a brewery. The only
Jewish brewery owners that I have come across in the Austria-Hungarian
empire is the Breuer family >from Mattersdorf who began operating a
brewery in Mattersdorf in the 1600s.

My colleague Yitzchok Stroh and I have tracked this family forward
from the 1600s to the present day and identified more than 6400 people
in 14 generations. Your family does not show up but it is possible
that if you can go back another generation or two I can place you in
this family. I would be very interested in knowing if there was
another Jewish brewery owner in the Austrian-Hungarian empire.


Carole Garbuny Vogel
Branchville, New Jersey, USA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech meldezettel documents from Vienna #austria-czech

Milton Koch
 

I have a series of documents/records of my family indicating several
children at an address that I recognize. However, I do NOT recognize
some of the names- and have never seen them before.
Another document reflects a desire to move to Israel
in 1934 with a date in 1938 that seems to be the official acceptance date.
Much of this information is quite confusing.
I would appreciate any/all help in trying to make sense of much of this
confusion.
Please contact me privately.
Milton Koch
GINSBERG/BARBASCH/KOCH-Galicia, Vienna


Trying to contact Edouard Mitelsbach re FILUT family #general

Alison Greengard
 

Hello,

Edouard Mitelsbach contacted me re: the JewishGen Family Finder,
but my reply to him bounced back.

I want to notify him that I do have FILUT relatives >from
Ciechanow, Plock, Poland.

If anyone has an alternate email address for Edouard, please
respond to me privately.

Thank you.

Alison Greengard
Lakewood, Colorado, USA

Researching:
GREENGARD - Virbalis, Lithuania; NEUMANN, Lissa (Leszno, Poland);
KOSMINSKI - Kempen (Kepno, Poland); WEBER - Kachau (Kosice,
Slovakia); HALPHEN - Metz, France; ARON - Phalsbourg, France;
KAPLAN - Slonim and Baranovichi, Belarus; ARON - Uzventis and
Sauliai, Lithuania; AARONS - Riga, Latvia; FILUT - Ciechanow,
Poland; WISZN - Ciechanow, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Trying to contact Edouard Mitelsbach re FILUT family #general

Alison Greengard
 

Hello,

Edouard Mitelsbach contacted me re: the JewishGen Family Finder,
but my reply to him bounced back.

I want to notify him that I do have FILUT relatives >from
Ciechanow, Plock, Poland.

If anyone has an alternate email address for Edouard, please
respond to me privately.

Thank you.

Alison Greengard
Lakewood, Colorado, USA

Researching:
GREENGARD - Virbalis, Lithuania; NEUMANN, Lissa (Leszno, Poland);
KOSMINSKI - Kempen (Kepno, Poland); WEBER - Kachau (Kosice,
Slovakia); HALPHEN - Metz, France; ARON - Phalsbourg, France;
KAPLAN - Slonim and Baranovichi, Belarus; ARON - Uzventis and
Sauliai, Lithuania; AARONS - Riga, Latvia; FILUT - Ciechanow,
Poland; WISZN - Ciechanow, Poland


One family member sent to Canada, 1937 #general

Genealogy BLW
 

I recently found the family of one of my grandmother's sisters.
Cerla Marja KAC, born 1896, who married Herszek MANDEL. They had 4
children in the years 1913 to 1924. It appears there was a break in
childbearing for World War I.

An archivist at Yad Vashem showed me a handwritten note indicating that
the parents perished in the holocaust, but I have no information about
the children yet.

However, I found an outgoing manifest >from Liverpool to Halifax, Canada
with the correct name and age of their oldest child, a daughter named
Hinda. It is dated 1937, so she would have been 24 years old.

I know that if a family could afford to send only one person, it was
usually a boy, with the plan that he could make enough money to send for
the rest of the family. Has anyone heard of a girl chosen for this
purpose? What else could they have been thinking?

At this point, I do not even know if this is the correct Hinda KAC.
I've had difficulties doing research in neighboring Canada (!)
and could use some help. I imagine she would either look up
relatives or seek out a synagogue for assistance.

Any ideas about the situation are welcome as are research tips to
find Hinda when she disembarked in Canada?

Many thanks,
Barbara Weintraub


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen One family member sent to Canada, 1937 #general

Genealogy BLW
 

I recently found the family of one of my grandmother's sisters.
Cerla Marja KAC, born 1896, who married Herszek MANDEL. They had 4
children in the years 1913 to 1924. It appears there was a break in
childbearing for World War I.

An archivist at Yad Vashem showed me a handwritten note indicating that
the parents perished in the holocaust, but I have no information about
the children yet.

However, I found an outgoing manifest >from Liverpool to Halifax, Canada
with the correct name and age of their oldest child, a daughter named
Hinda. It is dated 1937, so she would have been 24 years old.

I know that if a family could afford to send only one person, it was
usually a boy, with the plan that he could make enough money to send for
the rest of the family. Has anyone heard of a girl chosen for this
purpose? What else could they have been thinking?

At this point, I do not even know if this is the correct Hinda KAC.
I've had difficulties doing research in neighboring Canada (!)
and could use some help. I imagine she would either look up
relatives or seek out a synagogue for assistance.

Any ideas about the situation are welcome as are research tips to
find Hinda when she disembarked in Canada?

Many thanks,
Barbara Weintraub

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