Information on Maiden Names, Thank You #ukraine


On Thu, Feb 4, 1999 at 01:53 PM, "molly gordy" <mgordy@...> wrote:
RASKIN (Ekaterinaslav).
Have you found information about RASKIN in Ekaterinaslav.

salmo raskin

JGSLI Virtual meeting on Sunday April 25 at 2:00 PM Eastern – Randy Schoenberg #announcements #education #events

Bonnie Birns

Hello all! The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island is delighted to invite you to our April monthly meeting featuring our guest speaker, Randy Schoenberg.


JGSLI is extending the invitation to the broader genealogy community. We ask that you register in advance (see below). Please share with your friends!

Sunday, April 25th, 2:00 PM, via Zoom

Speaker: Randy Schoenberg
Topic: Woman in Gold

E. Randol Schoenberg is the lawyer who successfully sued the Austrian government for the return of Gustav Klimt's Woman in Gold to its rightful owner. He will tell the remarkable story of Maria Altmann's battle for five Klimt paintings that the Nazis seized from her Viennese family during World War II. Randy ultimately brought the case to the U.S. Supreme Court and prevailed. The legal battle was the subject of a successful Hollywood film starring Helen Mirren. Woman in Gold – a portrait of Maria’s aunt, Adele Bloch Bauer -- now hangs in the Neue Gallerie on Fifth Avenue.

An avid genealogist since he was 8, Randy maintains huge family trees on JewishGen and on Geni, where he is a curator. He founded the Jewish Genealogy Portal on Facebook, which has over 20,000 members. A board member of JewishGen, he is co-founder and director of its Austria-Czech Research Division.

There are two ways to join our meeting:
Register for our Zoom meeting: this will allow you to join in so you can chat with others before and after the meeting (this will be limited to the first 100 people to join)


When: Apr 25, 2021 2:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

Register in advance for this meeting:

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the meeting.


Our meeting will be livestreamed on our YouTube channel. Please visit at the meeting start time and the meeting's video should be listed. No YouTube or other login is required, but if you are signed in you can ask questions in writing via the comment section under the video.


This webinar is free and open to the public.


I look forward to "seeing" you all then!


Bonnie Birns


President, Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island
Jericho, Long Island, NY researcher #59766

Re: Elin #belarus


Hi Neal
I found it very interesting your information on  that;
Re surname Elin, saw web reference some time ago (and now maddeningly unable
to find) linking surname Elin to village/shtetl of Elna (spelling variants
Yelna, Jelna
Because my great grand father was born in village/shtetl of Elna,, and I found adoçamento of the family saying ELIN. and I thought it was related to patronymic,,,,!,,
Could you please tell me where did you get this important information from?
Looking forward to hear from you,
Salmo Raskin
email s.raskin@...

Re: Does DNA prove that Jews are a race? #dna

Lee Jaffe

I found this question more disturbing than I anticipated.  I don't mean to imply anything about the author or her intentions – they could be entirely  innocent – but her question touches on some of the most sensitive and fraught points about Jewish identity I've come across.  Skirting the earlier points about race being a social and/or artificial construct, which should provide a baseline understanding for our discussion, I want to highlight the particularly thorny question of Jewish identity.  By Jewish law, tradition and practice, a Jew is a Jew is a Jew, whether their nearer relations lived in Ethiopia or China or Brooklyn or Aleppo.  We are all one people (Yes, there are distinctions, divisions, biases and social advantages / disadvantages within the Jewish world but for our purposes I'm just addressing whether someone is or isn't a Jew.) 

The notion that Ashkenazi Jews might be a race, and therefore distinct from the rest of the Jewish people is dismaying, to say the least.  And I think that notion goes along with a trend where other people try to determine what defines a Jew.  As already mentioned, these efforts haven't gone that well for us.   Further, I can't think of a time where defining Jews as a race has resulted in any protections: yes, as religious adherents, an ethnic group, a nationality, we have sometimes been considered part of a protected class where those identities could not be used to deny us access to housing, education, employment ...   

And therein lies my main point, that Jewish identity as understood by Jews does not fit neatly into any category(ies) understood by others.  And Jews as a race is the pigeonhole we should avoid most vigorously.  I think this is important to keep in mind at a time when Nazis (nothing "neo" about them) march with signs "Jews won't replace us," and progressive organizations ban "white Jews" from their boards because they see us a privileged, and even some Jewish organizations begin to internalize that view, worrying whether we are diverse enough.  (Representing 1% of the world's people, I bring diversity with me wherever I go.)    We are all one people, sharing a single origin and tradition and I think that's a perspective we need to assert at every turn.  Just because history has forced us into exile for thousands of years, living in every corner of world, where we've taken on different languages, dress, food, customs and even physical characteristics, we shouldn't forget that we are one people.

To put this in the genealogical context, looking at what my family has undergone over the past 2 to 3 centuries, what they have done to survive, hunkering down through oppression and taking enormous risks to escape to a better life – sometimes successfully, sometimes not – and, even after reaching "the land of the free," finding ourselves barred from jobs, housing, education until my generation, I don't and won't accept being relegated to some arbitrary label by someone with a limited understanding of what being Jewish means.


Lee David Jaffe

Surnames / Towns:  Jaffe / Suchowola, Poland ; Stein (Sztejnsapir) / Bialystok and Rajgrod, Poland ; Joroff (Jaroff, Zarov) / Chernigov, Ukraine ; Schwartz (Schwarzman?, Schwarzstein?) / ? ;  Rappoport / ? ; Braun / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland,  Ludwinowski / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland


Moving Frequently Among Ukraine Towns #ukraine

Herbert Lazerow

   Some Jews in that part of Galicia were shenkers.  They ran inns or taverns and, under lease from the local noble, had a monopoly of the making and selling of alcoholic beverages. It was common for these leases to be for the calendar year. The shenker might choose to move to another town because he received better lease terms there, or because the noble refused to renew the lease. Given what the weather was like at that time of year, there was a strong disincentive to move in the 19th century, that was often overcome by either opportunity or necessity.
Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110 U.S.A.
(619)260-4597 office, (858)453-2388 cell, lazer@...
Author: Mastering Art Law (2d ed. Carolina Academic Press 2020)

Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110
Author: Mastering Art Law (Carolina Academic Press, 2d ed. 2020)

Re: Rabbis in Belarus #belarus


Could you please search for my great grand grandfather Naftali Gertz Raskin, who lived between 1840-1920 in Hotimsk, mogilev?

salmo raskin

Bessarabia New project - immigration to South America #bessarabia


My ancestors came from Ekaterinoslav and Teleshti to Brazil, through JCA.
is it possible to search for their names in the archives?

Salmo Raskin

What language are these two letters, posted on ViewMate written in? #translation


Please let me know what language these letters are written in. If you are able to translate them, I would be incredibly thankful!

page one

page two


Rachel Park

KESSLER - Starokonstantinov, LURIE - Buckah, Belarus, Latvia, Vilnius, Minsk; 

ALPERT - Minsk, Vilnius; SACHS - Odessa; DUBNICK - Minsk

KEILES - Vilnius, Lodz; NAGIN(SKY) - Poltava; DUBIN(SKY) - Poltava; TSIGAR - Vilnius; Giguzin - Vilnius; 


ViewMate translation request - YIDISH #belarus


Subj: ViewMate translation request - YIDISH

I've posted a vital record in YDISH for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.


Salmo Raskin

Understanding Lithuanian Revision Lists #lithuania

Steven Granek

I am viewing a record of the All Lithuanian Revision List which contains my Orum family in Rokiskis. The The revision list is dated 1908. And there is a second instance of what looks like the same list but with an additional person (looks to be the female spouse of one of the brothers). For anyone that wants to see the record I simply searched for surname Orum and one of the things that came up was the LitvakSIG All Lithuanian Revision Database with 56 names. My family is the one with first person listed at Perets David Orum (and my grandmother Leah is listed last in the first instance and next to last in the 2nd instance).

I have marriage records from Lodz for one of the people listed - Freyda Orum - and the marriage took place in 1898. And I know she stayed in Pabianice as my Grandmother Leah joined her there (right around 1907 or 1908 - which means Leah was also probably not living is Rokiskis by the time of this ‘1908’ list). I have lots of corroborating evidence for this wedding and that it is the same person.

Additionally, I am ALMOST sure (less sure than about the marriage) thet another of the people had already come to the US in 1906

Given those two things, can someone please help understand the 1908 revision list, what it is (it doesn’t seem it can be a census given what I know).

Thanks in advance for any insights-

Steve Granek

Re: NYC Cemeteries - Offering Mt Hebron #photographs #usa

Jay Paul

You asked if Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn was safe to visit.
I have not been there for a number of years (since 2012), but I certainly found it safe to visit back then.
It is quite cluttered with gravestones, and not always easy to navigate. As it turned out, the office did not have records indicating all the family members who were actually buried in a plot together — I was happily surprised when I got there.
All the best,
Jay Paul
San Francisco, CA 94117
Researching: SUMBERG (Pilvishok/Pilviskiai, Lithuania), LANGERT (Pilviskiai & elsewhere in Suwalki gubernia); KAHN (Ranstadt, Germany), GOTTLIEB (Grebenau, Germany), PAVLOVSKIY / PAVLOVSKY (Mala Antonivka, Bila Tserkiv, Vasyl’kiv, Kyiv gubernia, Ukraine), LEVITSKIY / LEVITZSKY (Yasnohorodka, Vasyl’kiv, Kyiv gubernia), KOTLER (Vistytis, Suwalki gubernia, Lithuania; Traby, Belarus), LEIBSON (Lithuania), WOLF, SCHWARZ and STERN (presumed from Austro-Hungary).

Jay Paul, PhD
San Francisco CA 94117
Researching: SUMBERG (Pilvishok/Pilviskiai, Lithuania), LANGERT (Pilviskiai & elsewhere in Suwalki gubernia); KAHN (Ranstadt, Germany), GOTTLIEB (Grebenau, Germany), PAVLOVSKIY / PAVLOVSKY (Mala Antonivka, Bila Tserkiv, Vasyl’kiv, Kyiv gubernia, Ukraine), LEVITSKIY / LEVITZSKY (Yasnohorodka, Vasyl’kiv, Kyiv gubernia), KOTLER (Vistytis, Suwalki gubernia), WOLF (Austro-Hungary).

Re: One Man's Story of being Fostered in Friesland during WW2 - For readers of Dutch #holocaust


There is an option to read the article in English when you click on the link.  
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: NYC Cemeteries - Offering Mt Hebron #photographs #usa


Yes Washington Cemetery is safe. I visited a few months ago. You can drive or take subway. It is also walking distance to Schreiber’s kosher bakery (excellent rugelach and black and white cookies).
Liba Casson-Nudell
Minneapolis, MN

Viewmate VM93014 & VM93015 - translation of handwritten captions in Yiddish #translation

Paul Silverstone

Subj: ViewMate translation request 

I've posted in two windows a series of photographs with captions probably in Yiddish, for which I need a translation. They are on ViewMate at the following address ...
and similarly for VM 93015.
These pictures appear to have been taken in Makow Mazowiecki showing a burial of several people at the end of the war.   A Polish soldier is visible so I assume this is after the
Germans left.

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

Paul Silverstone
West Vancouver, BC  

Suggestion when using generations mother, grandmother ... #general

Dahn Cukier

I suggest that people add year of birth when mentioning an ancestor.
Then if you are 20 or 40 or 70, people will know when you write "mother",
the time frame. My mother was born in 1920s, my sisters 12 year old
grandson's mother in 1980s.
If known, use the exact year, but if not known use an estimate.
Dahn Zukrowicz
When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas

Searching LECHNER Cousins #ukraine


Hello my maternal grandparents and great grandparents were Brechers, Mayer and Rachel (Schwartz) Brecher. They lived in a shetl on the outskirts of Chernovitz called Givozits . Our surname and geography are similar.
          Saul J David

Running into a dead end #galicia


I have been researching my maternal grandparents and great grandparents. I have been successful in learning where they lived (Givozits,in Galicia) and what their names were ( Meyer Brecher, Rachel( Schwartz)Brecher and Reuben Lattner and Jetti (Schwimmer) Lattner.)
MY Mother had told me of other old family surnames including Reiter,Sobel and Sabbat(h). I am a subscriber to Gesher Galicia. When I input any of these surnames into their search data base along with the location of Gwozdziec (Hvizdets) Ukraine,there they are ! In one case all three surnames appear in one entry.  My question now is where do I go with this. Is there a way I can dig deeper trying to determine how all these surnames fit together. Thank you.
                                                Saul Joseph David  ( Researching Brecher, Lattner, Schwimmer, Reiter, Sobel, Sabbath )

Re: Moving Frequently Among Ukraine Towns #ukraine


The Wandering Jew is more than an attractive plant and the practice of "wandering" was not unique to Ukraine.  It happened throughout the old country.  Contributing factors could include:

1.  traditionally large families...a numbers game, as a descendant was bound to leave the original parental shtetl eventually.
2.  economic necessity...many of our ancestors were poor/impoverished and they pursued a better living standard.
3.  marital considerations...this often resulted in clusters of the extended family appearing in surrounding shtetls, with movement back and forth over generations.  The larger the family relative to the size of the homestead shtetl, the more likely this was to happen.
4.  anti-Semitism...was there a safer place to live?
5.  education and training...if it was not sufficiently available in the homestead shtetl.  Skilled trade apprentice or rabbinical training are examples.
6. of the old country had frequent conflicts, which prompted civilian movement.
7.  death of the patriarch...a subset of economic necessity, where the widow and children might move.
8.  Russian May Laws...its hard to conscript a Jewish male for two decades of cannon fodder, if you cannot find him.  (This sometimes accompanied a surname change.)

Ken Domeshek.  Houston, TX.

Re: Does DNA prove that Jews are a race? #dna

Adam Cherson

A few more comments on this important topic, if I may.

Genetic Determinism and Social Darwinism were popular concepts among National Socialists in Germany and elsewhere, including the United States. One result of this perverse thinking was the genocide of European Jewry. The concept that human intelligence is primarily a product of genetic determination should be dismissed whole cloth, especially by Jews, who should know better.
This is not intended to diminish Jewish pride in the slightest, which is legitimate and deserved, but only to highlight the fine line between ethnic pride and invidious discrimination, propelled by supremacists of any ilk.

The brain is not like the nose or the legs. It is a 'plastic' organ capable of being molded by environmental and cultural factors. What we think of today as the Ashkenazic identity is both genetic and cultural in origin, the product of genetic isolation (i.e., endogamy), and of a cultural/intellectual evolution defined by many centuries of life in exile and persecution.

I believe the root causes of the exile, isolation, and persecution are ethnically based and go back to the socio-political history of certain Semitic tribes in the Near East, pre-dating even the formation of the Hebrew People. Genetic differences are I believe the underlying cause for the exile and persecution of Ashkenazim, which in turns has driven the development of certain cultural and intellectual features, adaptive to survival in this harsh environment, and magnified by genetic isolation. Having these demonstrable genetic and cultural characteristics makes it reasonable and, in a society which is governed by identity politics, necessary to consider Ashkenazim as a distinct ethnic group, having Semitic origins. Much as one might say Jamaican is a distinct ethnic group having West African (Bantu?) origins.

I prefer the use of the term ethnicity to race because ethnicity includes a cultural component with mere race does not. Categories such as white, black, asian, hispanic, semitic, etc., are meaninglessly reductionist and over-inclusive. In the future, perhaps only a sci-fi future, multi-cultural societies will I hope define their constituents in terms of genetic admixture and haplogroup rather than by these monolithic misnomers.

Richard Dawkins, a biologist raised in the Church of England, now an avowed atheist (cf. his book "The God Delusion"), is also known for his use of the term 'meme' which refers to cultural evolution, rather than genetic evolution. Stephen Jay Gould, a Jewish biologist, wrote a book called the Mismeasure of Man (which should perhaps be re-titled the Mismeasure of Our Species), in which he traces the history of and proceeds to debunk genetic determinism. E.O. Wilson, a biologist raised in the Southern Baptist tradition, proposes that the social gene is a more evolved and powerful determinant of species survival than the selfish gene.

Thanks for your attention.

Adam Cherson

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 07:07 PM, Eva Lawrence wrote:
The configuration of the brain isn't as easily studied as the length of ones legs or ones nose, but clearly is also inherited in the same way.

Adam Cherson

Re: NYC Cemeteries - Offering Mt Hebron #photographs #usa


Allan or anyone who lives close to this cemetery:

Do you consider Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn safe to visit?

Kind regards,
David Passman
Dallas, Texas

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