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Was it common for relatives to move far away from their families? #lithuania #ukraine

Chloe Kogan
 

My question could be a very general one relating to the whole Pale of Settlement at any time pre-WWI, or, if the answer depends upon specific times and places, I would specify Lithuania and Ukraine around 1900.

Here's my question: Which scenario would have been more common?

  1. Relatives all live close to one another, in the same or neighboring communities (a day's walk at most from a central place).
  2. Relatives scattered to distant areas or other countries, needing to journey multiple days by railroad or cart to visit each other.
I've been wondering how far I should search for relatives from a town that I know was a primary home for a family. For example, a group of my Fisher ancestors lived in Utena, Lithuania, and they all remained there until emigrating to the Americas -- all except for one son who married a woman from Anyksciai and apparently moved to that town to start their family. Those two towns are roughly 35km apart, but, as I understand it, they were connected by a railroad line and so maybe they were considered "close" at the time? Should I broaden my search radius to 40km around Utena and expect that most if not all Fisher relatives would be captured within that boundary? Or is it likely that individual family members could move 50 km away, or 75km, or to the other side of the Pale even, for marriage or work or other reasons?

If family members tended to live within, say, 40km of a primary home town like Utena, then I would focus all my energy on Fishers inside that circle, rather than needlessly broadening my search to the entire country of Lithuania for little or no gain. On the other hand, if there were no rules as to where family members might move, then I would accept that I have to search the whole country and beyond to look for the needles in a much bigger haystack.

I hope this question makes sense! Thank you in advance for your thoughts and feedback.

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Chloë Kogan
Arizona, USA
Email: 802ben@...

Researching:
  • KOGAN & BERCOVICI: Romania (Iasi/Jassy), Moldova, Ukraine (Sekuryany, Akkerman)
  • FISHER / FISERIS & MARGOLIS: Lithuania (Anyksciai, Kupiskis, Skapiskis, Utena)
  • Many emigrated to Canada (Montreal) & the U.S. (Massachusetts)


Re: help reading Ukraine letter #translation #ukraine

mvayser@...
 

The response is that the vital records are not available for the 1869-1874 period.

Mike Vayser


Re: New York City Death Record Questions #general #records #usa

Barbara Ellman
 

The NYC Board of Health changed the length that the vital records could be held without being transferred to the archives.  For death certificates, it is now 75 years.  For birth records, 125 years.

There is no "special" arrangement for genealogy.
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Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ USA
HASSMAN, SONENTHAL, DAUERMAN, LUCHS - Drohobycz, Ukraine
HIRSCHHORN, GOLDSTEIN, BUCHWALD - Dolyna, Ukraine
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN - Minkovtsy, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS - Ulanow, Poland


help reading Ukraine letter #translation #ukraine

David Syner
 

received a Letter back from State Archives of Dnipropetrovsk Region. But for some reason this time. Google translate isn't able to let me know what it says in English.
Any help!?
 

David Syner
Los Angeles, CA

Dsyner@...

Family website
http://www.davidsyner.com/familytree/

Researching
SINER / ZINNER / ZINER New YorkBialystok

SCHMALTZ / SCHMALZ/SZMALZ New York, Luna, Grodno, Stoll, Rudman, Carbella ;Russia ( Grodno is now Hrodna, Belarus ) SCHULTZ TENN, AVES, Russia  POUSNER / POSNER, New York,Russia BERLIN Detroit BELENKY / BIELINKA / BELLINSKY Libau, Latvia , Mohilew  NEWMAN Detroit NEIMAN / NUONAW/ PENICA / PENITZ Krasosielc, Poland, Warshaw  MELTZERDetroit, Katrinslove or Poltavia or Gatrinslove (sp), Russia, or Yekahnislaw or Ekaterinoslau (Ekaterinoslav is now Dnipropetrovsk, Ukraine) DEITCH, Russia   RACHATAN/RACHIDSON /RUSICHAU / RUSICHAN / KrasechanDwinsk,Russia( Dwinsk is Daugavpils, Latvia) BELIAK/ BIELAK / BELAK Toronta, CanadaBreslaw, Slobotka,  Riga, Dwinsk


Re: Koschmin, Posen, Prussia, Germany-Is there a group or site that specializes in this town? #germany #poland

danbrockman@...
 

Yes there is. Look to a project on Geni that is for Krotoschin or Krotoszyn for more information. 

Dan Brockman
JewishGen member 50584
622 Shoreline Road
Barrington, IL
8473409456


Re: conscription #lithuania

tsherrod001@...
 

My name is Tim Sherrod.
 
My father, John Sherrod (aka Jake Schatz) had seven uncles. They all changed
their names and one was Kotler.
 They all came from Postov (Pastavy). Please see the attached family history
for more information.
 
Feel free to contact me. We are probably cousins.

I can be reached by phone at 970-420-2415 or email at tsherrod001@....


Headstone Translation #translation

Laurie Sosna
 

I'm hoping someone can help with a translation for the Hebrew on this gravestone.

Thank you,
Laurie Sosna
San Francisco, CA


Re: Why Did Jews Marry Christians? #general

Jules Levin
 

Eros


On 4/8/2021 12:41 PM, Sarah L Meyer wrote:
In the 19th century Jews married Christians either for marriage or to
protect their family from antisemitism or for economic reasons - to
get a "good" job, enter college, etc.

A granduncle born in St. Petersburg c. 1880, married an Irish girl in
Chicago around 1902.  The family was devastated.  But they were
consoled by a little bundle of joy arriving about 6 or 7 months after
the wedding.  (This was found by researchers thru Jewishgen; the
generations of my family coming after that date never knew about it.) 
  Another example: *Oscar Venceslas De Lubicz-Milosz*, 1877–1939),
French poet, mystical writer, and diplomat. Milosz, who was born in
Chereya, Belorussia to a Lithuanian nobleman and the baptized daughter
of a Warsaw Hebrew tIeacher....
In the introduction to his poetry in Lithuanian I read that his father a
Polish cavalry officer in the Russian service, rode through  a village,
and his eyes met the eyes of a beautiful Jewish maiden. He swept her off
her feet and rode off with her.  Let us not forget eros as a motivation
for intermarriage!

Jules Levin

Los Angeles



Re: Replying in private - no need to publish your email #guidelines

jbonline1111@...
 

If I think anything I say may have wider usefulness, I will continue to share publicly.  I'm sure moderators can determine if I am mistaken.
--
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Assistance Needed to translate the Hebrew on Family Gravestones #translation

Aimee Smythe
 

I am interested in getting your  help to  translate the Hebrew on these family gravestones . Ancestors  are thought to be from Lemberg, Austria emigrating to US in 1880s, buried in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Thank you,
Amelia Bartel Smythe
Tucson, Arizona


Looking for Family of Rut Sokol - Brooklyn NY #usa

Steven Granek
 

I am trying to locate relatives of a Rut (Ruth?) Sokol who lived (by her Yad Vashem testimonies) in Brooklyn NY in 1993. Rut is/was my newly discovered 2nd cousin from a part of my family whose existence I am just uncovering. Her father was Daniel Ecksztajn and grandmother Freyda Eksztajn (nee Orum), the latter my Great Aunt (who no one ever had told me about). While Damiel and Freyda apparently dies in the Holocaust, Rut apparently made it to the US and was married. And I believe she had children who are my relatives. All help appreciated.

Steve Granek
Columbia, MD USA


Re: Are "Muni" and "Munya" nicknames? For what name? #names

Chana Bonn
 

The only Munya I ever knew was also an Emanuel. 

Chana Bonn, Philadelphia 


Re: Viewmate translation Russian - surname for bride, no surname for groom? #lithuania #records

mvayser@...
 

Michele,
the name is listed as Yankel Efroimovich, which might mean either "Yankel son Efroim" or "Yankel Efroimovich" (as in someone's last name).  In this case, I think they didn't list his patronymic, just like record #14 - Toder Freynk (а 73 y.o., who married a 43 y.o. and gave 300 (!) rubles, as opposed to others on the same page, who only gave 42 or 84 rubles)
Shulke's father's name is Eliash.

Here is a twofer for you :)
Her brother is listed in the record above, #16 - a widower, Abram son of Eliash Ordman, but I can't make out name of his bride.  It starts with letters "RA", her father's name is Meyer.

Mike Vayser


Re: Why Did Jews Marry Christians? #general

Janet Furba
 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 11:55 AM, Cliff Karchmer wrote:
The intermarriages were not forbidden. But one of the two had to change his or her confession because there were then only religious marriages recognized by the State.
Janet Furba, Germany


Re: Why Did Jews Marry Christians? #general

Sarah L Meyer
 

In the 19th century Jews married Christians either for marriage or to protect their family from antisemitism or for economic reasons - to get a "good" job, enter college, etc.

--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Viewmate translation Russian - surname for bride, no surname for groom? #lithuania #records

Michele Lock
 

On Jewishgen, I found the probable 1854 marriage record for the brother of my great great grandfather Aron Lak, from the town of Telsiai, Lithuania. The brother's name is Jankel Lak, son of Efroim, according to his own gravestone. From his family's Hamburg ship passenger list, his wife's name was Shula (short for Shulamit, I imagine).

The Jewishgen record is for a Jankel son of Efroim, but there is no groom's surname indexed. For the bride, she is listed as Shulke Ordman; this corresponds to a US birth record, where her maiden surname was given as Ortman. 

For the original image below on Viewmate (Record #17), I'd like a translation from the Russian to confirm there is nothing written for the groom's surname, and to confirm her surname and father's name. Anything else of note about the either person would also be of interest. For some unknown reason, the Hebrew side of the record was not filled out.

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM93101

Has anyone come across this type of situation before, where no groom's surname was given? I suspect this Jankel Lak did not have his birth recorded, so when he married, they had a problem with how to write the marriage record.
--
Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai and in Plunge/Telsiai, Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


Re: Why Did Jews Marry Christians? #general

Sherri Bobish
 

Hi Cliff,

I found you question interesting, and while searching for some info on the subject I found this book (I have not read it.)
Confessions of the Shtetl. Converts from Judaism in Imperial Russia, 1817-1906 by Ellie R. Schainker
This site has a detailed commentary on the book, which on its own is interesting.
https://www.europenowjournal.org/2017/08/01/confessions-of-the-shtetl-converts-from-judaism-in-imperial-russia-1817-1906/

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish


Searching for relatives of Harold Goel LERNER and Rosalie (FINE) LERNER #general #names #usa

finejeffy@...
 

I am searching for relatives of Harold Goel Lerner and Rosalie (Fine) Lerner who I believe are related to me. They are both buried alongside other Fine relatives of mine in the Mount Lebanon Cemetery in Queens, NY.

They lived in Ft. Lee, NJ. Children: Joseph and Susan.

Harold Goel Lerner was born in Providence, RI (5 Jun 1926) and died NJ (19 Jun 2006)
Rosalie (Fine) Lerner was born in NYC, (19 Jun 1926) and died NJ (14 Sep 1998)

I believe Harold and Rosalie were married in the Bronx in 1954.

Thanks,

Jeff Fine
Montclair, NJ, USA
finejeffy@...


Galician Military Records #galicia

Barbara Ellman
 

I came across this posting from American Ancestors regarding military records for Galicia (1865-1918):

https://vitabrevis.americanancestors.org/2021/03/galician-military-records/?utm_campaign=The%20Weekly%20Genealogist%20&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=119944155&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9woQUty-mTLT26SkGHxPSGRrS9sigcBNkIH-1AySX4MaOFTlasbO54FMvd46-Cj55ipTZcXDOAd5Kq8ZS0jHR7F6CdRg&utm_content=119944155&utm_source=hs_email

This is the first such record that I've seen.  Looks like a local researcher would be required.

--
Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ USA
HASSMAN, SONENTHAL, DAUERMAN, LUCHS - Drohobycz, Ukraine
HIRSCHHORN, GOLDSTEIN, BUCHWALD - Dolyna, Ukraine
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN - Minkovtsy, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS - Ulanow, Poland


New York City Death Record Questions #general #records #usa

finejeffy@...
 

I am trying to request the death certificates for some likely distant cousins, Julius Fine and Samuel H. Fine, who are buried near other of my Fine relatives in the Mount Lebanon Cemetery in Queens. They died in the 1954 and 1956.
Currently NYC Death records after 1949 are available only from the Department of Health and only to certain relatives:
  1. The following relations to the deceased may request both a death certificate and the confidential cause of death medical report: Spouse, Domestic partner, Parent, Child, Sibling. Grandparent, Grandchild, Informant listed on the certificate, Person in control of disposition.
  2. The following relations may only request a death certificate, not the cause of death: Niece/Nephew, Aunt/Uncle, Great grandchild and great-great grandchildGrandniece/Grandnephew
1. It seems like there are specific exceptions to the specific relatives listed above for specific legal purposes. Are there any exceptions for genealogical purposes? 
2. I have read in previous posts that after 50 years, the records move to the "genealogical" group. Is that correct? We are already 72 years past 1949.
Thanks,
Jeff Fine
Montclair, NJ, USA
finejeffy@...

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