Copying Hebrew text from a PDF into a Translation tool - OCR (Optical Character Recognition) Help Request #general

Paul Silverstone

This discussion has been of great interest to me.  When I was in Israel a few years ago, I copied with my Iphone over 150 pages of documents at various archives.
They are mostly in Hebrew, typewritten.   To my dismay I found that it was very difficult to convert the JPG to text that could be put into a translating service
such as Google translate.   The closest I got was garbage.   I will try some of the suggestions offered.  Thank you for the discussion.
Paul Silverstone 

Re: New York City Death Record Questions #general #records #usa

Adam Cherson

I beleive the current law for making NYC death certificates public is 70 years. The public archives seem to be stuck in 1948, when 1949 and 1950 should be available.  The covid shutdown should be making more time available for this processing, no?
Adam Cherson

Re: Are "Muni" and "Munya" nicknames? For what name? #names


I also had a female first 2X cousin Muna Neger from Dynow. I am not aware of Muna being a nickname for another name. Sadly she was shot by a Nazi holding her twin baby girls, also killed.
Brooklyn, NY

NEGER, SPINRAD (Dynow, Poland)
TOLPEN (Suchostaw, Poland/Sukhostav, Ukraine)
DISTENFELD, ADLER, WILDER (Kamionka Strumilowa, Poland/Kamianka-Buzka, Ukraine)

Meeting announcement: Comparing Jewish Resources on the Genealogy Giants #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Marilyn Golden

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Re: Was it common for relatives to move far away from their families? #lithuania #ukraine

Jill Whitehead

Hi Chloe, it depends on the time and place. All my great grandparents came from the Suwalki Lomza gubernias in NE Poland (now partly in Lithuania) to the UK between 1865 and 1875. They had all lived within 20 miles of each other - which made it easy to look for their shtetls when I went to the ancestral area in 2000.  At the time they were not allowed by the Tsar to travel outside the immediate area in their part of the Pale. Partly this was due to the Tsar's crackdown following the 1863 Polish Uprising, so it depended on the situation at the time, as well as shifting borders. As my ancestors were close to the border with East Prussia/Konigsberg, a lot of people smuggling went on to get out (a lot to escape the Tsar's draft into the army). But the situation may well have been different say 20 years later, and under a different Tsar. At one time the major Polish landowners in the North of the Pale (Poland and Lithuania) were encouraging Jews to move south to their lands in modern Belarus or Galicia (now Ukraine), but you would need to check when this was, to see if it is worth looking further afield.  

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Copying Hebrew text from a PDF into a Translation tool - OCR (Optical Character Recognition) Help Request #general

Joyaa Antares

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 09:35 AM, Alicia Weiss wrote:
I am assuming that when you attempted this using the paid version of Adobe Acrobat, you first set the language to Hebrew.

Second and likely final update:
Alicia Weiss - many thanks very much for your suggestions.  I am not certain that I set the language to Hebrew in Adobe Acrobat full version, but I think I did.   Re. ABBYY: I was also contacted offlist by Noach, who very kindly trialled testing one of the documents using this tool and it worked.  :-)
I have since downloaded ABBYY "convert 100 pages for free" trial version successfully to convert over 75% of the material I want converted into readable, copyable text.  I have also discovered that after copying the text into a Word document, MS Word has a good translation tool too.  
Henoch Duboff - thanks for pointing out the 'document' option in Google Translate.  Unfortunately, it didn't result in anything other than a blank page once again.
My thanks to all for your great suggestions.
Joyaa Antares, 

Gold Coast, QLD, Australia

Re: Copying Hebrew text from a PDF into a Translation tool - OCR (Optical Character Recognition) Help Request #general

David Lewin

For a restricted number of lsnguges is far superior to the  google tranlation
David Lewin

At 15:41 08/04/2021, H Duboff wrote:

Have you tried uploading it to Google Translate?

Toward the top there is a choice of text or document.  You may be able to upload the PDF.

Mequon, Wisconsin

Re: New York City Death Record Questions #general #records #usa

Banai Lynn Feldstein

Support Reclaim the Records. They're trying to get NYC Death Certificates released covering those years and more.

Banai Lynn Feldstein
Professional Genealogist
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Question about Unfindable Holocaust Victims #galicia #records #holocaust

David Lewin

At 01:56 08/04/2021, David Levine wrote:
Two of my relatives - sister of mother's grandmother - were likely killed in the Stanislawow area in the initial Holocaust by bullets or later in 1942, transported to an extermination camp
They appear in the Stanislawow 1939 Census on here.

However, I have not been able to find any record of them.
I've looked at Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Museum, the Arolsen Archives.

I am new to researching Holocaust victims. Is this unfindability the case for some percentage of victims?
Because they were killed in the Holocaust of Bullets, out in the woods, there are no records?

Thanks for any thoughts

We al know the number "6 million".      Yad Vashem does not have 6 million records.   It may well be that the NIERLER are missing at Yad Vashem

I suggest you write to Yad Vashem and send then what you have got,

David Lewin

Search & Unite attempt to help locate people who, despite the passage of so many years since World War II, may still exist "out there".
We also assist in the process of re-possession of property in the Czech Republic and Israel.
See our Web pages at

Re: Why Did Jews Marry Christians? #general


Oscar de Lubicz-Milosz's mother was Rosa or Rozalia Rosenthal, a student at Warsaw University. Her father was a teacher in Warsaw. Oscar was born in 1877, but baptized only in 1886 in the church Saint-Alexander in Warsaw. Even if it is not as romantic as Jules tells, I agree with him we cannot underestimate the role of Cupid! 

Max Polonovski

Re: Arolsen Archives #holocaust #records


I continue to volunteer to digitize Buchenwald records through The ones they were asking for Auschwitz a few months back appear to be done. Anyone who wants more digitized records from Arolsen or other keepers of records should volunteer!

Marijke Bekken

Re: Child of holocaust survivors seeks to obtain Polish citizenship #general #poland


My kids would like to do this because their grandfather was the only one in his family to survive. He was born in Pruzhany when it was in polish hands. The problem is how to find a birth certificate. All I have is his attestation at the DP camp after the war. Any ideas on how one might locate a birth certificate for someone born in a small town when that town freely submitted all its Jews? He was never able to get one, nor any reparation for his family's house and mill.

Marijke Bekken

Re: Are "Muni" and "Munya" nicknames? For what name? #names

Rick Luftglass

From everyone’s responses here, it sounds like Muni and Munya were often males. Interesting that my Munya/Munia/Muni, was a female - my great aunt.  She was born in 1885 in Bogopol, in the Podolia region in today’s Ukraine, and moved to Montreal. Her formal first name was Anna.

But perhaps that was an anomaly. 

Rick Luftglass

Re: Why Did Jews Marry Christians? #general

Odeda Zlotnick

I would rephrase the question:
Could a Jewish woman in Lvov preserve wealthy family assets by marrying a Russian Orthodox man?
And I would research the subject by trying to learn about the relationship between females and their family assets in Galicia, and then to try focus on what this means for a Jewish female.

Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.

ViewMate translation request - Polish #translation

Terry Ashton

I believe the document I would like translated, contains information as to the death of my 3 times great grandfather, Meir Praszkier. I would like a full translation of the document please, and would like to know who his widow was and her maiden name if possible.

It is on ViewMate at the following address:

Please respond using the online ViewMate form.

Thank you very much,
Ms Terry Ashton, Australia

Searching for Herbert SILBERMANN born 1897 in Breslau and Helene GERSTL born 1917 #france

George Fogelson

Searching for Herbert SILBERMANN born June 28, 1897 in Breslau and Helene GERSTL born August 16, 1917 in Segesvar. They lived as common law husband and wife in Paris in the late 1930s and had a child then.
Both were arrested by the Vichy in 1940 and imprisoned. Herbert Silbermann survived the war and was a film producer. He died in 1957 in Freiburg im Bresisgauin. I do not know what happened to Helene GERSTL or if they ever married. 
I would like to connect with any living family members and find out what happened to their child. 
Redondo Beach, CA

Re: New York City Death Record Questions #general #records #usa

A. E. Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: finejeffy@...
I am trying to request the death certificates for some likely distant cousins, Julius Fine and Samuel H. Fine, who are buried near other of my Fine relatives in the Mount Lebanon Cemetery in Queens. They died in the 1954 and 1956.

Absolutely no exceptions to the rules and even sometimes if you fit the rues you have to argue with them, Genealogy is a dirty word to the NYC Health Department.

Try checking the newspaper, NY Times, to see if there are obits.

Try asking the cemetery for what they know about the people. Especially see if they know if the person died inside or outside NYC.

1950s is a long shot but you can also ask if they know the name of the funeral home as the homes keep recornds but 70 years is a long time.

When we get past the current pandemic restrictions you can try checking to see if there are probate records if you an figure out where the people lived.

Good luck

Allan Jordan

Was it common for relatives to move far away from their families? #lithuania #ukraine

Chloe Kogan

My question could be a very general one relating to the whole Pale of Settlement at any time pre-WWI, or, if the answer depends upon specific times and places, I would specify Lithuania and Ukraine around 1900.

Here's my question: Which scenario would have been more common?

  1. Relatives all live close to one another, in the same or neighboring communities (a day's walk at most from a central place).
  2. Relatives scattered to distant areas or other countries, needing to journey multiple days by railroad or cart to visit each other.
I've been wondering how far I should search for relatives from a town that I know was a primary home for a family. For example, a group of my Fisher ancestors lived in Utena, Lithuania, and they all remained there until emigrating to the Americas -- all except for one son who married a woman from Anyksciai and apparently moved to that town to start their family. Those two towns are roughly 35km apart, but, as I understand it, they were connected by a railroad line and so maybe they were considered "close" at the time? Should I broaden my search radius to 40km around Utena and expect that most if not all Fisher relatives would be captured within that boundary? Or is it likely that individual family members could move 50 km away, or 75km, or to the other side of the Pale even, for marriage or work or other reasons?

If family members tended to live within, say, 40km of a primary home town like Utena, then I would focus all my energy on Fishers inside that circle, rather than needlessly broadening my search to the entire country of Lithuania for little or no gain. On the other hand, if there were no rules as to where family members might move, then I would accept that I have to search the whole country and beyond to look for the needles in a much bigger haystack.

I hope this question makes sense! Thank you in advance for your thoughts and feedback.

Chloë Kogan
Arizona, USA
Email: 802ben@...

  • KOGAN & BERCOVICI: Romania (Iasi/Jassy), Moldova, Ukraine (Sekuryany, Akkerman)
  • FISHER / FISERIS & MARGOLIS: Lithuania (Anyksciai, Kupiskis, Skapiskis, Utena)
  • Many emigrated to Canada (Montreal) & the U.S. (Massachusetts)

Re: help reading Ukraine letter #translation #ukraine


The response is that the vital records are not available for the 1869-1874 period.

Mike Vayser

Re: New York City Death Record Questions #general #records #usa

Barbara Ellman

The NYC Board of Health changed the length that the vital records could be held without being transferred to the archives.  For death certificates, it is now 75 years.  For birth records, 125 years.

There is no "special" arrangement for genealogy.
Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ USA
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN - Minkovtsy, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS - Ulanow, Poland

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