Re: Georges Szlamowicz, Records from the 1920s, Paris #france #records


I too have been searching for SZLAMOWICZ family in Paris. I have photos but no names. May I post the photos here? David: do you have photos?
Ruth Chernia
Toronto, Canada
searching for
TSCHERNIA of Copenhagen, Denmark, & Genichesk, Kherson Oblast, Ukraine
SHLAMOWITZ/SZLAMOWICZ/BIRENCWEIG of London, England; Lodz & Jezow, Poland
SEIDLER/ZAJDLER/LANDAU of Lodz & Sulejow, Poland
ROSENFELD of Raków, Kielce, Poland
SHKOLNIK/TICK[ER] of Ladyzhyn & Bershad, Vinnytsia, Ukraine

Re: Esther Swimmer Naturalization Search in Chester, Delaware County, Pennsylvania, USA #usa #records

Charles Zar

Added his PA Death Certificate to the Find a Grave page.  Click on "Photos" to view because it's not on the main page.

Charles Zar
Rockledge, Pennsylvania

Re: Charmatz family from Lithuania #lithuania

Robert Weinberg

I thought I'd sent this message earlier. 

Ilse Ikenberg moved 24 Apr 1922 as student to Paderborn, worked as saleslady there,

 and returned to Altenbeken 5 Sep 1924. She moved  31 Dec 1936 to Solingen, then to jobs in

various towns, returned 30 Apr 1939 to Altenbeken  and was deported 10 Dec 1941 via

Bielefeld to Riga, survived, met Codek Charmacz in Bergen-Belsen and married Codek/Charles

Charmacz/Charmatz, born 4 Jun 1910; in Vilna, Lithuania.  They emigrated with daughter Minna-Sara to the

U.S. arriving 16 Oct 1949 in New York;  they lived in New Haven, CT later in Brooklyn, NY.

He died in Brooklyn 1 Jul 1984; Elsa/Else Charmatz died 1 Apr 1984 in Brooklyn.

Best wishes, Bob Weinberg weinberg@...

Re: Charmatz family from Lithuania #lithuania

Jack Jacobson

Ellen,  I have taken the Ancestry DNA test (Jack Jacobson or jackorbon) and 23andme (Jack Jacobson).   I am also on gedmatch (A855125).

I don't have Itte or Itta Charmatz on my tree but I am sure there are people missing.   Let me know if you find a dna match or if we can cooperate to find more Ancestors.    
Jack Jacobson
Milwaukee, WI

American family mostly from the Boston, MA area

Re: Viewmate request - meaning of annotation on manifest in name column - not the Certificate of arrival annotation - ROCHKES, KRAWCZYK #records


The annotation "E.I. Reg 47062 11/21/41" translates to "Ellis Island Registry case 47062 connected to this passenger list record on Nov 21, 1941."

The annotation tells us something about this immigrant's path to citizenship, which was longer and more complicated than most.  When he tried to naturalize the passenger list record did not match the information he was providing later, so no certificate of arrival could be issued.  Without a certificate of arrival, he could not proceed to naturalization.

However, if he arrived prior to 1921 (later 1924), and was "not otherwise inadmissible," he could have a new arrival record created which could then be used as the basis for a certificate of arrival.  The procedure to create this new record (back-dated to the day he actually or probably physically arrived in the US) was called Registry.  They began to call it "Lawful Entry" proceedings in/after 1941, but the annotations often still say "Reg."

So this immigrant underwent Registry proceedings to clarify and document the discrepancies between his arrival record and his naturalization applications.  Those records will survive, but because it is unclear when exactly this immigrant naturalized (assuming he did), I have to point to two or three possible locations:

--If he naturalized prior to 4/1/1944, the Registry records should remain in his Registry File in the holdings of USCIS (request via their Genealogy Program  Do NOT request the file using the number in the annotation (the New York number), that is never the actual Registry File (Wash DC) number.
--If he naturalized after 3/31/1944 but before 4/1/1956, the Registry documents SHOULD be in his USCIS Certificate File (C-file), available also from USCIS Genealogy Program.
--If he did not naturalize until after 3/31/1956, the Registry documents should have been moved into an A-file.

Note I use the word "should," because the old Registry File often did not get "moved up" to a different file upon naturalization.  If it is not in the C-file (or later A-file), then the records remain in the old Registry File set.  It is so unfortunate to have to try to navigate all this confusion when every step in the process of elimination costs another $65 in USCIS Genealogy fees :-(

Marian Smith

Re: ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation


In Russian:


Город Ново-Минск

Состоялось в городе Ново-Минске 15-го (27) ноября 1894-го года в 5 часов дня.  Явился Йосеф-Хаим Суховольский, торговец, 32-х лет, житель города Ново-Минска, в присутствии свидетелей Шмуля Бергера 60-и лет и Нахмана Аронзона, 49-и лет, религиозных служащих, жителей города Ново-Минска и предъявили нам младенца девочку, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Ново-Минске 5-го (17) Июля 1893-го года в 4 часа дня от его законной жены Естеры, урожденной Тейблюм, 31-го года.  Младенцу этому при рождении дано имя Мириам-Тоби.  Акт сей своевременно не заявлен по оплошности истца.  Акт сей объявляющим и свидетелям прочитан, ими и нами подписан. 

Шмуль Бергер

Нахман Аронзон

Содержащий акты гражданского состояния       Подпись


Translated into English:

# 190

Novo-Minsk city

It took place in the city of Novo-Minsk on November 15 (27), 1894 at 5 o'clock in the afternoon. Yosef-Khaim Sukhovolsky, a merchant, 32 years old, a resident of the city of Novo-Minsk, appeared in the presence of witnesses Shmul Berger 60 years old and Nakhman Aronzon, 49 years old, religious workers, residents of the city of Novo-Minsk and presented us with a baby girl, announcing that she was born in the city of Novo-Minsk on July 5 (17), 1893 at 4 pm from his legal wife Estera, nee Teiblyum, 31 years old. This baby was given the name Miriam-Tobi at birth. This act was not timely declared due to the plaintiff's oversight. This act has been read to those who announce and to witnesses, they and we have signed it.

Shmul Berger

Nachman Aronzon

Containing acts of civil status Signature

Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Boynton Beach, FL

Re: Published Jewish Family Histories #general

Jill Whitehead

In the UK, Jewish family histories can be round in Shemot, the Journal of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain and there are also links to communities on the JGSGB website.  In addition self -published histories can be found in individual libraries and archives for specific towns and cities in Britain, including the JGSGB's own library. The UK National Archives also highlight important families in articles, whilst BMD and Census data can be found on Findmypast and   Scotlands People websites. There are also individual websites such as Cemetery Scribes.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Nowy Wisnicz prison death cemetery #general #poland

Olaf Schirm

I need help in finding the burial place of relative Leo LINDEMANN (born 10.4.1902 in Starogard) who died as jewish prisoner in Nowy Wisnicz (near Krakow) on 08.05.1946.

The jewish cemetery of Nowy Wisnicz had been closed for new burials in 1945. So where did the corpses of jewish deceased in 1946 went to?

No archival information could be found yet.

Thank you for clarifying

Olaf Schirm


Re: Georges Szlamowicz, Records from the 1920s, Paris #france #records

David Choukroun

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 06:02 AM, David Seldner wrote:
Feb 8, 1924
Dear David, 

The research into the Paris archives is easy (I hope) : Accueil - Archives de Paris

From your inputs, there were 2 possibles arrondissements of Paris to check (each adresses)
Then the decennale tables are giving your the right one and the right date

They were married the 07 fev 1928 @ Paris 03ieme

kind regards



Re: What is the name "Katty" short for? #names


My gtgt Hungarian aunt was known as Kati or Katinka. However I have never found a more correct version of her name and these names could be just family nicknames.
Karolyn Avery  
 Newcastle Australia

Re: Georges Szlamowicz, Records from the 1920s, Paris #france #records

Christine Lassiege

Dear David

I contacted the consistoire of Paris this morning They can only issue a wedding certificate (Ketouba) which will not contain any other information than what you already have. It is not free. 

However, I looked in the archives in Paris and found your great-uncle's marriage certificate. Files attached


-        Wedding Table look top right : (7 feb 1924 Paris 75003, on the line below wedding of Chaya le 17 july 1925 Paris 75003

-        Wedding certificate from Jerichen et Rebeca 1924

-        Wedding certificate  from Chaya Szlamovitch 1925

Do not hesitate to contact me again if you would like a translation or additional help
Best regards


Christine LASSIEGE

Context for Lodz Court determination in 1949 of a husband's death in Sarny in 1946 #poland #lodz

Michael Wilson

I have three questions relating to this quote from a Lodz Court’s determination of her husband’s death following an application by his wife:


‘’On 1 July 1949 the Local Court in Lodz 2nd Civil Department represented by Judge E. Staglinski in the presence of the clerk of the court A. Slawikowa upon examining [his wife’s] application on 1 June 1949 to determine the death of [her husband] based on Article 88 of the Rule on acts of civil status /Statute Jownal No 43/45. pos. 272/ at1. 1, 2 par. 1, 9.16 and 13 of the Decree of29 August 1945 /Statute Journal No 40 pos. 26/ and Article 1, 6, 31 and 32 Procedure Code, determines that [her husband] died on 20 April 1946 in Sarny.’’


I shall be grateful if you can help with suggestions to resolve the following:


1 – The husband and wife had been deported from Brest (Brzesc nad Bugiem) to Nizny Tagil during the war where their daughter was born in 1940.  After the war, the wife and daughter settled in Lodz.  Given the precision of the determined place and date of death on 20 April 1946, is it possible to find evidence that …

- the wife witnessed the death but no official record was made or found, or

- there was another witness to the event, or

- the wife was not there but some wider ‘çatastrophic’ event took place in Sarny on that day?


2 – How can I find a copy of the affidavit submitted by the wife and perhaps others to the court?


3 – Any other suggestions re this search on behalf of their daughter will be much appreciated.


Thank you in anticipation, Mike Wilson

Published Jewish Family Histories #general

Susan Edel

You should be able to find any published Family Histories printed in Israel at the National Library in Jerusalem.  I have sent them 2 copies of the Feuchtwanger Stammbaum (Family Tree)..
Good luck in your search

Susan EDEL, Petach Tikva, Israel

Viewmate request - meaning of annotation on manifest in name column - not the Certificate of arrival annotation - ROCHKES, KRAWCZYK #records


I've posted a clip of a 1912 US manifest with the annotation E. I. Reg - followed by a number and date. The annotation is in the surname column. The manifest is for my grandfather who traveled under the name Seidel ROCHKES. His name is actually Isidore KRAFTCHICK/KRAWCZYK and his naturalization papers show that he did travel on the ship on the date specified but the papers do not note that he traveled under this different name.  There is an additional CA annotation also on the manifest and it says "no C/A" with a number and date.

Does anyone know the significance or meaning of the E I Reg annotation, or how to search for further info using the date perhaps?
Also, does anyone have information on the family he traveled with: wife/mother Riwe ROCHKES, Blume ROCHKES , father Elias ROCHKES arrived earlier in 1912.  I have found no further information about this family under this name, however ROCHKES is a family name.

It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Bobbi Kraftchick Hoyt

ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation

Julia Levin

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much for all your help!
With much appreciation,
Julia Levin

Surname (maybe from Hungary, a place called Kishvarda) #hungary #general


Anyone from Hungary that new people with the Surname " C'SIRE" this is my great grandma's last name. Some of her family was captured and sent to camps (she never knew which ones).. she made her way to America with one child. Then once here married a man (also from Hungary.  Frank Kovach (other spellings) Kovacks, Kovacz. We have never been able to find a link to the C'Sire part of our family in America. Maybe, in Hungary, or surrounding areas.
Thank you,

Re: Published Jewish Family Histories #general


Check out the Center for Jewish History,  The partner organizations under that umbrella are the American Jewish Historical Society (AJHS), the Leo Baeck Institute (LBI) for German speaking Jeiwsh  peoples, YIVO, for Eastern European Jewry, and the American Sephardi Federation.  I believe there are family histories in their archival collections.

Aaron Rosenberg

Looking for Family of Sam Zigler #ukraine #unitedkingdom

I'm looking for information about the family of origin of my maternal grandfather, Sam ZIGLER (or maybe ZIGLIN or ZIGLINE), born 1885 in Königsberg, Prussia (now Kaliningrad, Russia). He married my grandmother, Rose Kabakoff, somewhere near Kiev, Ukraine, and they emigrated to the U.S. in 1923. Family lore has it that Sam had a brother who emigrated to England, but I have never found another Zigler/Ziglin/Zigline anywhere.
Toby Troffkin
Lexington, Kentucky

DNA matches with descendants of enslaved African Americans. #usa #general

Brad Fanta

Has anyone with antebellum Southern Jewish ancestry encountered DNA matches with descendants of enslaved African Americans?  I have, and I suspect I am not alone. 


The fact that these matches occur in both lines of my family who had been slave holders (never more than 2 or 3 enslaved people at a time) is sobering and brings the brutality of this institution into greater light. My Southern Jewish ancestors were no different than others at that time:  they immigrated to the US in the 1840/50s and found access to economic and social freedom unknown to them in Europe. They were merchants and some held enslaved African Americans, a mark of middle class establishment at the time. Many of these men and their descendants became pillars of society. Only because of recent events has the Southern Jewish Historical Society finally decided to focus on systematic racism and how southern Jews fit into the larger racial landscape. However, the hagiography of southern Jewish lives, coupled with the Lost Cause narratives  and Southern Pride, continues to buttress a wall of silence around this issue and obscure the evidence that southern Jews were also perpetrators of the worst violence agains African Americans. At the very least, I would like to break this silence.  


Just knowing who is out there with similar discoveries will be helpful.  


Brad Fanta

Austin, Texas


Slave-holding ancestors:

LOUPE (originally LAUPHEIMER) in Dover and Yell counties, Arkansas

HAAS in St. Landry and Avoyelles Parish, Louisiana 

ViewMate translation request - Polish #poland #translation

David Rosenbaum

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much,
David Rosenbaum

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