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Use of the term "Color" in late 19th century and Early 20th century NYC Birth Records #records

sbloom@...
 

I have noticed the term "Color" used in Late 19th century and Early 20th Century birth records of New York City. Since I have only seen two such records up close for my relatives, I can't make general conclusions. For one of my cousins, George Schaffran, it gives "Color" as "White ." For another relative, William Bloom/Blum, who by dna tests I know was of Eastern European Jewish extraction, it says he was "Colored."  

In such records, is this term referring to what we commonly think of as "race" today?  If so, is "Colored" categorizing a person into what we would commonly think of as a "Person of Color" today, such as Black/African American. Afro-European, etc., Asian, Hispanic and others, or is the term meant to be more general?  Some of my relatives now are saying that since many people didn't consider Jews of that time  to be really White, they would have no problem calling them "Colored" on a birth record. I have my doubts about that.

I'd appreciate opinions on this, no to much on that last matter, but on whether NYC records of that time tended to call Jews "White", "Colored" or something else. 

Thank you for your insights,

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia, USA


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Stephen Katz
 

Yes, this is a problem. Early in my genealogy journey, I posted my family tree on geni.com. That turned out to be a big mistake. It was latched onto (hijacked) by other people who added individuals to whom I am very clearly not related. The numbers of wrong additions to my tree has grown and grown. When I contacted to Geni I was informed that, since other people had latched onto my tree, I could not remove the wrong entries. There was also no way I could delete my tree. My only option would have been to cancel my Geni account, which, however, would not have removed my tree.

Stephen Katz 


Baden Germany 1687-1730 R. Seligmann of Hüffenhardt Mohel Book Transcription #germany

Alex Calzareth
 

Those with ancestors from the Kraichgau region of Baden may be interested in a Mohel book that I recently came across on the website of the National Library of Israel at https://merhav.nli.org.il/permalink/f/ldj0th/NNL_ALEPH11340766590005171or also try https://www.nli.org.il/en/manuscripts/NNL_ALEPH997008553870105171/NLI#$FL135781875
 
This is not the original Mohel book, but instead is a German transcription prepared in the mid-1930s, by Sigmund Jeselsohn of Neckarbischofsheim. The original book recorded the circumcisions performed by Rabbi Seligmann from Hüffenhardt during the years 1687 to 1730.  An article from Jeseloshn wrote about the book in "Der Israelit" is reproduced at http://www.alemannia-judaica.de/hueffenhardt_synagoge.htm
 
There are about 1,200 entries in the book. The towns with the most entries are  Neckarbischofsheim - 68 entries, Odenheim - 42 entries, Neidenstein - 33, Heinsheim - 38, Ittlingen - 34, Eichtersheim - 34, Flehingen - 33, Weiler - 33,Steinsberg - 33, Stein am Kocher - 29, Mosbach - 31, Wimpfen am Neckar - 28, Rappenau -27, Michelfeld - 27, and Hirschhorn am Neckar - 24 .
 
I have started to extract some of the towns and you can see those entries on a spreadsheet at http://tinyurl.com/mohelbookindexsh . This is sorted by town and then by father's name. Although the Mohel was active in a particular town that does not mean that he was the only Mohel who families there would have used.
 
The second part of the book is a similar transcription of 636 entries from the Mohel book of Aron Kaufmann Baer of Neckarbischofsheim (and later Frankfurt) for 1836 to 1875.

Alex Calzareth
JewishGen Director of Research for Germany
alcalz@...
New York, NY
 


Re: marriage record for Heinrich GOLDNER from Militärseelsorge, Vienna, Austria #austria-czech #general

Stephen Katz
 

The Militärseelsorge is the military chaplain. It would appear from Andreas Schwab's post that they were married by a Jewish military chaplain.

Stephen Katz

Researching: KATZ (Novograd-Volinskiy, Ukraine); TEPPER (Rovno, Ukraine); KAPLAN (Stakliskes, Lithuania); VITKIN (Kaunas, Lihuania) 


Re: NYC Police Reports #records

manderlie@...
 

You may want to try the cemetery and funeral home. Jewish ones don't always keep more records but the non Jewish cemeteries and funeral homes usually do have information. I am guessing you hare checked death notices.  Why not try to locate their home address and if it is important to you it is possible a neighbour may still be there who would give you a clue.  

Sue Diamond, Canada


ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation

Corey Brand
 

Hi,

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation. I would like to know the bride and groom’s ages and the names of their parents. It is on ViewMate at the following address ... https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM93331

Thank you very much,
Corey Brand
South Florida, USA
Researching:
MARKOWSKI in Kalisz & Kolo (MARKEL in NYC)
WALTER in Kalisz, Kolo, & Konin
NELKEN in Kalisz
SZTAJER in Kalisz & Stawiszyn 
BRENER in Kalisz
ENGELMAN in Wieruszow & Kalisz


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Alan Ehrlich
 

Peter wrote: "Geni  has the big advantage over Ancestry or MyHeritage  for Jewish families, in being accessible  to anyone, and potentially being corrected and added to by any other user, and certainly by a Curator."

Sadly, it's absolutely not my experience (not at all) that errors or misinformation on Geni are 'accessible to anyone for corrections'. And, as for the curators, I'm happy to accept that Peter stands as the exception amongst them; however, years-long (yes, "years-long") reiterated messages to many Geni curators concerning the same errors when they replied at all were limited to apologies for not having gotten around yet to making the appropriate corrections, plus each time a new cry of 'personal circumstances' as to why not. In fact, never, ever have I seen a correction made (not one!) following a notification which I submitted to the curators.

This problem is compounded by the fact that - at least as concerns Geni's overlap with my own family research - 70% of what's to be found enshrined on Geni at best is outdated and at worst represents pure fantasy, which then proliferates endlessly across the internet.... Notably being gobbled up into trees on MyHeritage and Ancestry when those users don't carry out their own due diligence regarding sources (or the lack there of).

Kind regards,
Alan Ehrlich
Geneva, Switzerland


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

mandy.molava@...
 

I have one who has taken part of my tree and made their own version of events afterwards. I also of my relatives are my HALF relative on throughlines on Ancestry, because somebody has popped the wrong Father on their tree. I wrote to Ancestry, they said there is nothing they can do, but I 'should reach out to them and let them know' when it falls on deaf ears there is nothing you can do. I think personally I feel more frustrated, because others may skip OUR trees thinking ours our wrong and then important links or people may then be added to the wrong trees. 

Love Marcel's answer!
Mandy Molava 
Researching Brest Belarus Russia Galcia


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

mpipik
 

Thanks to everyone who replied to my question. 
It seems that ultimately there is little that can be done to make corrections if the tree creator doesn't want to.

Jessica Schein


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

mpipik
 

USA.  Ancestry basically says it won't show living people, but I didn't see anything about people who died recently let alone 30 years ago.

Jessica Schein 


Stephen P. Morse - Free Virtual Programs #announcements #jgs-iajgs

bgephart@...
 

The Northeast Indiana Jewish Genealogy Society is excited to welcome genealogist, Stephen P. Morse, for two free virtual programs on Sunday, May 2nd, beginning at 1:00 p.m.   At 1:00 p.m. he will present “One-Step Website – a Potpourri of Genealogical Search Tools,” and at 2:30 p.m. he will cover “Searching the 1950 Census with and without a Name Index.”

Born in Brooklyn, New York, Morse received degrees in electrical engineering from the City College of New York, the Polytechnic institute of Brooklyn, and New York University.  In later life, he turned his attention to genealogy, creating his “One Step Website” with dozens of search tools used by genealogists around the world.   In 2006, he received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS) and his website has been acknowledged for years by leading genealogy magazines.  

Registration is required to attend this free virtual program.  The link can be found at the NEIJGS website at www.NEIndianaJGS.org/upcoming-events/.  Additional information about the NEIJGS can be found on our website at www.NEIndianaJGS.org, or our Facebook Page, https://www.facebook.com/NEIndianaJGS/.   Contact Betsy Gephart at vp@... for more information.

Sincerely,

Betsy Thal Gephart

 


Re: Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

In Russian:

 

ПАСПОРТ

Выдан из Ракишской Мещанской Управы

 

Left side:

1. Вероисповедание:  Иудейского

2. Время рождения и возвраст: Родился 19 сентября 1887 года

3. Род занятий:

4. Состоит или состоял в браке: Холост

5. Находятся при нем:

6. Отношение к отбыванию воинской повинности:

Подлежит призыву к (не ясно) в 1907 году.

Подпись (владельца паспорта): Неграмотный

При неграмотности предъявителя обозначаются его приметы:

Рост: Ниже среднего

Цвет волос: Темнорусый

Особые приметы: Нет

 

In the middle:

#376

 

On the right side:

сп #434

На гербе с двухглавым орлом:

БЕСПЛАТНО

На срок не более одного года

 

Предъявитель сего Александровского уезда, Ракишский мещанин Янкель-Мордух Мовшев Орум

Уволен в разные города и селения Российской Империи от нижезапосанного числа по 31 августа 1906 года.

Дан с приложением печати 1905 года, 31 августа

Лично Староста  Подпись  Печать

 

Translated into English:

 

PASSPORT

Issued from the Rakish Meshchansky Board

 

Left side:

1. Religion: Jewish

2. Time of birth and age: Born on September 19, 1887

3. Occupation:

4. Is or was married: Single

5. Are with him:

6. Attitude towards serving military service:

To be called for (not clear) in 1907.

Signature (passport holder): Illiterate

If the bearer is illiterate, his signs are indicated:

Height: Below average

Hair color: Dark brown

Special Features: No

 

In the middle:

# 376

 

On the right side:

bn # 434

On the coat of arms with a two-headed eagle:

FREE

For a period not exceeding one year

 

Bearer of this Alexandrovsky district, Rakish tradesman Yankel-Mordukh Movshev Orum

Dismissed to different cities and villages of the Russian Empire from the date below to August 31, 1906.

Dan with enclosed print 1905, August 31

Personally Headman   Signature   Stamp

Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Boynton Beach, FL


Re: NYC Police Reports #records

Avrohom Krauss
 

I have obtained police reports by first getting the death certificate. In unusual circumstances, there is a Medical Examiner report. The death certificate will have "M.E." and a number. Order the Medical Examiner Report from Dept. of Health with this number. In that report, you should find a copy of the police report.
Best of luck!
--
Avrohom Krauss
Kiryat Yearim (Telz-Stone) ISRAEL
kraussfig@...
Researching: KRAUS, GOTTFRIED, MONAT from PRZEMYSL (Galicia) Poland/ KINSTLICH, GREENBERG, SCHMIDT from Tarnobrzeg, Rozwadow, Ulanow (Galicia) Poland
KLOTZ from Telsiai, Lithuania/ ROGOZIN, KAPLOWITZ, from Vyazyn, Ilya, Vilyayka, Belarus /LAPIDUS, SOKOLSKY, ROGOZIN, Maladzyechna, Belarus


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Shlomo Katz
 

At one point, I received a "Smart Match" suggestion from Geni suggesting that my great-great-aunt, who was born in 1897, was married to someone who had died in 1571. The name was correct, but obviously the wrong person. Some people may be accepting those suggestions without understanding what they are.

Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring, MD


Vieemate translation request - Romanian #translation

asafeig@...
 

I've posted a Birth record in Romanian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.

Asaf Feig


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Peter Lowe
 

Geni  has the big advantage over Ancestry or MyHeritage  for Jewish families, in being accessible  to anyone, and potentially being corrected and added to by any other user, and certainly by a Curator (which I am). 

It also retains history of changes, which is invaluable for sorting out errors, and ensuring a high level of accuracy.  A great benefit is that corrections can be made without being the owner/creator of a particular profile, so that even if the original creator is no longer living, or a member of Geni, profiles can be corrected or added to. 

Marcel, if you can give me the link to the profile of "a woman died at the age of 20 and had a son 30 years later.", I can see if I can correct it.

Peter Lowe


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Joyaa Antares
 

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 04:31 PM, mpipik wrote:
that people who have been dead for under 30 years are still listed and that information could be used for identify theft of the descendants

Hi Jessica,
Please could you identify your country as it impacts on responses - well, mine at least! 
Thanks.
Joyaa ANTARES
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Dorann Cafaro
 

Jessica - One very easy thing to do is use the “comments” feature on ancestry.com. When in the tree with the incorrect person, go to the incorrect individual's profile click on “tools” top right then click on “view comments” and write your comment in the box. You can make it as long as you like or simply say "not the correct person" but it is helpful if you put the correct information in the comments.
Dorann Cafaro


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Marcel Apsel
 

I can tell you even a better story.  During a search on geni I found a woman died at the age of 20 and had a son 30 years later.  I didn’t know that IVF treatment existed already in the 18th century.  You try to reach the owner or an administrator, but it will be easier to get somebody on a phone when you want to have to get hold of somebody of any official administration, bank or complaint office.

 

 

 

Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium


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Vital records for Kojetin

Daniela Torsh
 

Richard Nohel  has asked where he can see vital records for the Czech town of Kojetin. The answer is to look in the Czech National Archives digital database. Go to the Archives website and find the link for badatelna.eu and also read the instructions for how to use the database. They are available in English.

Daniela Torsh

Sydney, Australia

 

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