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One topic common to many Yizkor books is a description of the town’s market day. Market days were a vital part of the economy on which people depended for the earnings that would carry them through the week and beyond. They were also raucous affairs where people socialized and drank, Jews mixed with gentile traders and customers, and the shouts of goods being hawked and haggling over prices filled the jammed marketplace.
In one sense, you can say if you’ve seen or read about one market day, you’ve seen and read them all. But what is always appealing about these accounts, however similar, is that each has its own unique cast of characters who are vividly described. Each has different ways of recounting the “art of the deal.” Descriptions of the foods are delights. But more than all of that, market day was a microcosm of Jewish life in the shtetls, and chapters like these seem to capture all of it.
“At the Market: A Jewish Town's Struggle for Bread” is from the Yizkor book of Kolbuszowa, Poland, although this particular translation comes from a well-known anthology of Yizkor book chapters titled "From a Ruined Garden."
I think I can give you a little taste of this chapter without spoiling it, just so you know what I mean. Here’s a favorite passage of mine:
“The first rays of God's sun meet with signs of preparation for a busy day. Shutters open. Jews with their tefilin bags under their arms hurry home from early services. The Biale vegetable growers, who had arrived the previous night in order to secure their accustomed spots, creep out from underneath the wagons where they've spent the night, and begin to sort out their produce. The ‘Bialer goyim’ are well-acquainted with the things Jews need for their Sabbath table. Onions for fish, parsley for soup, little cucumbers with dill for pickling, and carrots for tsimes. A growing human stream, together with containers and merchandise, pours forth from all of the back streets, Jews bearing crates, poles, and boards get ready to build their ‘pavilions’ at the Great Weekly Exhibition.”
Silver Spring, MD
Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel
Dr. Ruth Leiserowitz
I think, this is Brześć Kujawski
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The Friederich der grosse landed in the Port of New York on 23 August. It took about 10 days for the sailing. It is unlikely that it returned to Europe and made it back to the U.S. by 12 Sep 1898. If a passenger was traveling steerage, they would have gone through Ellis Island, whether their ship docked at New York or Hoboken. After clearing the various check-ups on Ellis Island, they would have taken the ferry back to either New York or Hoboken. There's a great article from 2014 at http://hmag.com/port-entry-continent/
Phoenix, AZ and Salt Lake City, UT
I took a Holland-America student ship from Hoboken when I went to Europe in my ‘20s. The year would have been 1962.
I have a stack of letters between my grandparents in the 30s that I'm trying to get translated. I've attached a few here - any help will be greatly appreciated.
this is why you never copy from someone else! Often these people just seem to want to brag about how many people are in their tree. One person posts unverified data in their tree and 100 others copy these mistakes into their trees and the mistake snowballs. Don't be one of those people.Precisely.
We should all try to distinguish between:
We should also realize the the sites offering "Smart Matches" and "Links" are dangling baits for users to cough up and pay subscripion money. One should never ever accept them blindly. Sometime, they add great info. Sometimes they don't - buyer beware.
I have had even Geni curators merge profiles and mess up the tree I consider my public tree - and I have had them correct the mess when I sent them documentation.
I have had "merge" requests on Geni, that I simply ignore - and I have had disagreements with collaborators, which we agreed to leave as documented comments concerning that person or name.
As noted by Pieter Hoekstra: Some people honestly think and feel that the larger their tree, the better things are. Others value validity. Those of us who value validity can't fight / or try convince those who believe in "this is a public party and the more the merrier". We can and should tend our garden to the best of our ability -
And always remember the following comic:
xkcd: Duty Calls
passports for non-naturalized residents london, canada and the usa? #records
i have a morris/maurice/maures/max jacobs/jackson who was born in
poland abt 1851, he was living as a boarder in london in 1871,
married in 1877, went to canada around 1907 and came to the US in
1924, died in 1929.
Do non-citizens residents get something like a government passport
prior to traveling to a new country, and if so, is it called a
passport or some other document, and where might i find it for England
Based on my research so far, i believe that it was unlikely that he
ever became a naturalized citizen of uk, canada or usa
i am trying to figure out what city in poland he came from and/or both
his parents names. I have wedding record from uk gov and the great
synagogue, us boarder crossing, death record, lots of census records
for morris, but nothing that provides fuller information like
naturalization records or possibly passport application (a passport
photo of him would be nice)
So appreciate advice on non citizen resident gov records like might be
available in that timeframe especially in london or toronto canada.
redwood city, ca usa
with Wife Marianna Green and Father Israel.
I have not identified any siblings for Morris.
I'm looking for any information, birth, marriage, death or other certificate, record or cemetery information on the following ancestors.
Searched by name and cemetery records on Jewishgen with no success.
Any information on how to find information or documents on them will be deeply appreciated:
Isaac(Yitschak) Ber and Lea Ber who lived in Khotin/Hotin c. 1870 to 1930, then Romania, now Ukraine.
Their sons Wolf Ber b. 16 Sept. 1906 and Ionda(Jonda) b. 15 June 1903, both migrated to Brazil 1929/30.
Moricis Abuliac (Abulhk, Abuliak) e Rifca(Rivca) Abuliac.who lived in Briceni c. 1870 to 1930, then Romania, now Moldova.
Their daughter Perl b. 01 Feb. 1918, migrated to Brazil and got married to Wolf Ber.
Alberto Kremnitzer ID#: 38830
Re: Free Webinars with Dr Janette Silverman, Eastern European Genealogy expert 5/1 #events
People seem to be having trouble with understanding the facebook event for some reason,
https://occgs.com/mtg_event/speakers/bio_silverman.html is an alternative way to register for the event
Orange County, Calfiornia
Re: NYC Police Reports #records
If they married in NYC you can use this free search to find her husband's full name:
NYC Marriage License Index 1950-1995
If they married in NYC before 1950 you can try this database on Ancestry, or if you have access to Ancestry just try this one since it covers more years:
NYC Marriage Licenses 1907-1995
You can also use these databases to see if her husband re-married.
Good luck in your search,
A. E. Jordan
I just received my great-granduncle's naturalization records. They indicate he immigrated through the port of Hoboken on 12 Sep 1898 on the ship Frederick der Grosse. I've never heard of immigrating through this port,
Hoboken NJ is part of the port complex of New York in the eyes of the immigration folks and the passenger lists are in the NYC records. Immigrants would still go through Ellis Island or the Barge office depending on time or processed on the dock when they were traveling in the higher classes of the ship. Ships going to New York and New Jersey all came through the same route called The Narrows and they would stop at the the immigration point for clearances.
Hoboken is on the west side of the Hudson River so the ship made a left coming north on the river instead of turning right to Manhattan or Brooklyn.
The German shipping companies used the docks in Hoboken and Brooklyn for many years and Holland-America Line went to Hoboken till the 1960s. (If you ever see the movie On the Waterfront, that is the Hoboken docks and a Holland America liner from the 1950s is in some of the scenes.)
(a maritime historian as well as a genealogist)
The "wrong people" issue is a longstanding problem. For me, the value of
sharing information outweighs the downside, so I try to be zen about the
mistakes I so often run across. (Like the guy who seems to believe that
my great-grandfather was age 8 when he had his first child.)
About the unresponsiveness on places like Ancestry: I am guessing some
people test, or upload a tree using a burner email, and never come back
to check messages.
It would be helpful if Ancestry had more sophisticated data validation.
But they are apparently are making enough money without offering too
many bells and whistles, and they only (grudgingly) make enhancements
when they can no longer ignore demand. MyHeritage has been more useful
for trying to locate connections, but it's still early days for this
I'm sad to see that people are keeping trees private. I understand the
desire for record integrity, but that can be achieved via a tree that's
maintained offline. We don't own our ancestors' info, and if my public
tree can help someone else with a breakthrough, well, isn't that part of
the reason we do this?
JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN, DANIEL -- Rhineland, Germany
Scott D. Groll
Unfortunately, even JewishGen is not immune to this issue. I have had someone go in and hand transcribe a large portion of my tree from the FTJP into their own tree on Ancestry, and then proceed to change things to fit their methodology. This person was not even a blood relative! No amount of pleading with him would make him budge or change anything. :(
Ventura County, CA
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I would like to throw into the mix, the thought/intention that some copying of data from others may be purely that people are hopeful that a new piece of information may lead to somewhere meaningful. Obviously, there should be a caveat on the accuracy and one would hope that if incorrect data becomes apparent that each would communicate such and rectify.
On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 10:11, Alan Ehrlich <alan.ehrlich@...> wrote:
Hello. I would like to join to research info about my 4 x g grandfather Abraham ben Gedaliah Tiktin 1764 - 1820. With thx.
Randy wrote: "There is so much misinformation about Geni from people who don’t really use it. The critic Alan Ehrlich, for example, has added just 34 profiles..."
Even before Geni's official launch, while Geni still was in beta test mode, I uploaded an initial gedcom file which by then documented circa 3'000 ancestors and relatives... plus further updated that on several occasions during the following year and months. Oh yes, since then my family database gradually grew to include 20'000+ persons... which many of you know first hand as I've always been eager to share with others all the information it contains.
Thank you Deborah, Mike, and Rachel for all of the links and recommendations. Coming to The Table, Enslaved.org and The Beyond Kin Project all look like a fabulous organizations and resources. You all have given me a good starting point. Where this will take me, I do not know, but the import of this type of research has never been clearer.
Ingwiller, France: HAAS, UHRY
Wattwiller, France: WEILL
Cernay, France: GENSBURGER
Westphalia (greater Warburg), Germany: DANNENBAUM, ROSENBAUM, LEWY/LEVI, MEYERFELD, ROTHSCHILD, SIEBENHAUER
Osterberg/Fellheim, Germany: LAUPHEIMER, SCHWAB
Poznan, Poland: BLY/BLEY, LEWY/LEVY, MARCUS, KOTTWITZ, KAISER
Jihlava, Czechia: POKORNY, EPSTEIN, KRASSNY,
Budapest, Hungary: SINGER
Jessica, this is why you never copy from someone else! Often these people just seem to want to brag about how many people are in their tree. One person posts unverified data in their tree and 100 others copy these mistakes into their trees and the mistake snowballs. Don't be one of those people.
Don't concern yourself about what someone else has in their tree, just worry about your own. If worried then make your tree private. Do your own research and prove the source of each of your entries.
Pieter Hoekstra <sold@...>
Moss / Moses, De Costa - London and Brighton
Barnett, Da Costa, Lazarus, Joseph, Judah, Solomon - London
Orange County California JGS Meeting on Sunday With Ellen Kowitt talking about Research in Jewish Ukraine #announcements
Sunday at 10:00 am PDT the Orange County California Jewish Genealogy
Society is having their next meeting on Zoom. The speaker is Ellen
Kowitt talking about doing Jewish Genealogical Research in the
Ukraine. Registration is required at www.ocjgs.org. Registration is
free to OCJGS members and $5 for non members. All fees can be paid
for at our website www.ocjgs.org.
Michelle Sandler MLS