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Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Odeda Zlotnick
 

 this is why you never copy from someone else! Often these people just seem to want to brag about how many people are in their tree. One person posts unverified data in their tree and 100 others copy these mistakes into their trees and the mistake snowballs. Don't be one of those people.
Precisely.  

We should all try to distinguish between:
  1. "My tree" - the tree which I trust, edit and share  with people whom I choose to share with.
  2. "Public Tree": A tree out there on an internet site.
  3. "Collaborated tree" A tree on which I collaborate only with people trust and those who trust me

We should also realize the the sites offering "Smart Matches" and "Links" are dangling baits for users to cough up and pay subscripion money.  One should never ever accept them blindly. Sometime, they add great info. Sometimes they don't - buyer beware.

I have had even Geni curators merge profiles and mess up the tree I consider my public tree - and I have had them correct the mess when I sent them documentation.

I have had "merge" requests on Geni, that I simply ignore - and I have had disagreements with collaborators, which we agreed to leave as documented comments concerning that person or name.

As noted by Pieter Hoekstra: Some people honestly think and feel that the larger their tree, the better things are. Others value validity.  Those of us who value validity can't fight / or try convince those who believe in "this is a public party and the more the merrier". We can and should tend our garden to the best of our ability - 

And always remember the following comic:
xkcd: Duty Calls
Duty Calls











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Odeda Zlotnick 
Jerusalem, Israel.


passports for non-naturalized residents london, canada and the usa? #records

arnold friedman
 

i have a morris/maurice/maures/max jacobs/jackson who was born in
poland abt 1851, he was living as a boarder in london in 1871,
married in 1877, went to canada around 1907 and came to the US in
1924, died in 1929.

Do non-citizens residents get something like a government passport
prior to traveling to a new country, and if so, is it called a
passport or some other document, and where might i find it for England
or Canada.

Based on my research so far, i believe that it was unlikely that he
ever became a naturalized citizen of uk, canada or usa

i am trying to figure out what city in poland he came from and/or both
his parents names. I have wedding record from uk gov and the great
synagogue, us boarder crossing, death record, lots of census records
for morris, but nothing that provides fuller information like
naturalization records or possibly passport application (a passport
photo of him would be nice)

So appreciate advice on non citizen resident gov records like might be
available in that timeframe especially in london or toronto canada.

thank you

arnold friedman
redwood city, ca usa

MORRIS/MAURICE/MAURES/MAX JACOBS/JACKSON
with Wife Marianna Green and Father Israel.
I have not identified any siblings for Morris.


Looking for information/documents on Abuliak and Ber families #records #bessarabia #ukraine #romania

Alberto Kremnitzer
 

Dear friends.
I'm looking for any information, birth, marriage, death or other certificate, record or cemetery information on the following ancestors.
Searched by name and cemetery records on Jewishgen with no success.
Any information on how to find information or documents on them will be deeply appreciated:

Isaac(Yitschak) Ber and Lea Ber who lived in Khotin/Hotin c. 1870 to 1930, then Romania, now Ukraine.
Their sons Wolf Ber b. 16 Sept. 1906 and Ionda(Jonda) b. 15 June 1903, both migrated to Brazil 1929/30.

Moricis Abuliac (Abulhk, Abuliak) e Rifca(Rivca) Abuliac.who lived in Briceni c. 1870 to 1930, then Romania, now Moldova.
Their daughter Perl b. 01 Feb. 1918, migrated to Brazil and got married to Wolf Ber.
Thank you.
Alberto Kremnitzer  ID#: 38830
 
 


Re: Free Webinars with Dr Janette Silverman, Eastern European Genealogy expert 5/1 #events

Vivs
 

People seem to be having trouble with understanding the facebook event for some reason, 
https://occgs.com/mtg_event/speakers/bio_silverman.html is an alternative way to register for the event
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Vivs Laliberte
www.theOCGG.com

Orange County, Calfiornia


Re: NYC Police Reports #records

Sherri Bobish
 

Carl,

If they married in NYC you can use this free search to find her husband's full name:
NYC Marriage License Index 1950-1995
https://stevemorse.org/vital/nymarriages-rec.html

If they married in NYC before 1950 you can try this database on Ancestry, or if you have access to Ancestry just try this one since it covers more years:
NYC Marriage Licenses 1907-1995
https://stevemorse.org/vital/nymarriages-anc.html?range=1

You can also use these databases to see if her husband re-married.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Immigration via Hoboken? #usa

A. E. Jordan
 




-----Original Message-----
From: laurie.budgar@...

I just received my great-granduncle's naturalization records. They indicate he immigrated through the port of Hoboken on 12 Sep 1898 on the ship Frederick der Grosse. I've never heard of immigrating through this port, 




Hoboken NJ is part of the port complex of New York in the eyes of the immigration folks and the passenger lists are in the NYC records. Immigrants would still go through Ellis Island or the Barge office depending on time or processed on the dock when they were traveling in the higher classes of the ship. Ships going to New York and New Jersey all came through the same route called The Narrows and they would stop at the the immigration point for clearances.

Hoboken is on the west side of the Hudson River so the ship made a left coming north on the river instead of turning right to Manhattan or Brooklyn.

The German shipping companies used the docks in Hoboken and Brooklyn for many years and Holland-America Line went to Hoboken till the 1960s. (If you ever see the movie On the Waterfront, that is the Hoboken docks and a Holland America liner from the 1950s is in some of the scenes.)

Allan Jordan
(a maritime historian as well as a genealogist)
New York


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

JoAnne Goldberg
 

The "wrong people" issue is a longstanding problem. For me, the value of
sharing information outweighs the downside, so I try to be zen about the
mistakes I so often run across. (Like the guy who seems to believe that
my great-grandfather was age 8 when he had his first child.)

About the unresponsiveness on places like Ancestry: I am guessing some
people test, or upload a tree using a burner email, and never come back
to check messages.

It would be helpful if Ancestry had more sophisticated data validation.
But they are apparently are making enough money without offering too
many bells and whistles, and they only (grudgingly) make enhancements
when they can no longer ignore demand.  MyHeritage has been more useful
for trying to locate connections, but it's still early days for this
industry.

I'm sad to see that people are keeping trees private. I understand the
desire for record integrity, but that can be achieved via a tree that's
maintained offline. We don't own our ancestors' info, and if my public
tree can help someone else with a breakthrough, well, isn't that part of
the reason we do this?

JoAnne
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JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN,  DANIEL  -- Rhineland, Germany

 


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Scott D. Groll
 

Unfortunately, even JewishGen is not immune to this issue. I have had someone go in and hand transcribe a large portion of my tree from the FTJP into their own tree on Ancestry, and then proceed to change things to fit their methodology. This person was not even a blood relative! No amount of pleading with him would make him budge or change anything. :(

Scott Groll
Ventura County, CA


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

KAREN SAUNDERS
 

I would like to throw into the mix, the thought/intention that some copying of data from others may be purely that people are hopeful that a new piece of information may lead to somewhere meaningful. Obviously, there should be a caveat on the accuracy and one would hope that if incorrect data becomes apparent that each would communicate such and rectify.
Karen Saunders


On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 10:11, Alan Ehrlich <alan.ehrlich@...> wrote:

Randy wrote: "There is so much misinformation about Geni from people who don’t really use it. The critic Alan Ehrlich, for example, has added just 34 profiles..."

It's my sincere 'hope' that Randy's incorrect statement above is solely because he was misinformed. However, since he so often unflinchingly disses anybody who's critical in any manner about Geni, well I don't know... Anyway, for information, allow me to set the record straight:

Even before Geni's official launch, while Geni still was in beta test mode, I uploaded an initial gedcom file which by then documented circa 3'000 ancestors and relatives... plus further updated that on several occasions during the following year and months. Oh yes, since then my family database gradually grew to include 20'000+ persons... which many of you know first hand as I've always been eager to share with others all the information it contains.


Perhaps 'food-for-thought' on Geni's behalf, rather than reflexively responding 'ad hominem', perhaps offer remedies to the serious short-comings we are pointing out.

Kind regards,
Alan Ehrlich
Geneva, Switzerland


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Hello. I would like to join to research info about my 4 x g grandfather Abraham ben Gedaliah Tiktin 1764 - 1820. With thx.


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Alan Ehrlich
 

Randy wrote: "There is so much misinformation about Geni from people who don’t really use it. The critic Alan Ehrlich, for example, has added just 34 profiles..."

It's my sincere 'hope' that Randy's incorrect statement above is solely because he was misinformed. However, since he so often unflinchingly disses anybody who's critical in any manner about Geni, well I don't know... Anyway, for information, allow me to set the record straight:

Even before Geni's official launch, while Geni still was in beta test mode, I uploaded an initial gedcom file which by then documented circa 3'000 ancestors and relatives... plus further updated that on several occasions during the following year and months. Oh yes, since then my family database gradually grew to include 20'000+ persons... which many of you know first hand as I've always been eager to share with others all the information it contains.


Perhaps 'food-for-thought' on Geni's behalf, rather than reflexively responding 'ad hominem', perhaps offer remedies to the serious short-comings we are pointing out.

Kind regards,
Alan Ehrlich
Geneva, Switzerland


Re: DNA matches with descendants of enslaved African Americans. #usa #general

Brad Fanta
 

Thank you Deborah, Mike, and Rachel for all of the links and recommendations.  Coming to The Table, Enslaved.org and The Beyond Kin Project all look like a fabulous organizations and resources. You all have given me a good starting point. Where this will take me, I do not know, but the import of this type of research has never been clearer.   

Brad Fanta
Austin, Texas

Researching
Ingwiller, France: HAAS, UHRY 
Wattwiller, France: WEILL
Cernay, France: GENSBURGER
Westphalia (greater Warburg), Germany:  DANNENBAUM, ROSENBAUM, LEWY/LEVI, MEYERFELD, ROTHSCHILD, SIEBENHAUER
Osterberg/Fellheim, Germany: LAUPHEIMER, SCHWAB
Poznan, Poland:  BLY/BLEY, LEWY/LEVY, MARCUS, KOTTWITZ, KAISER
Grudziadz:  BRASH
Jihlava, Czechia:  POKORNY, EPSTEIN, KRASSNY,
Budapest, Hungary: SINGER


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Pieter Hoekstra
 

Jessica, this is why you never copy from someone else! Often these people just seem to want to brag about how many people are in their tree. One person posts unverified data in their tree and 100 others copy these mistakes into their trees and the mistake snowballs. Don't be one of those people.

Don't concern yourself about what someone else has in their tree, just worry about your own. If worried then make your tree private. Do your own research and prove the source of each of your entries.

--
Pieter Hoekstra  <sold@...>
Moss / Moses, De Costa - London and Brighton
Barnett, Da Costa, Lazarus, Joseph, Judah, Solomon - London


Orange County California JGS Meeting on Sunday With Ellen Kowitt talking about Research in Jewish Ukraine #announcements

Michelle Sandler
 

Sunday at 10:00 am PDT the Orange County California Jewish Genealogy
Society is having their next meeting on Zoom. The speaker is Ellen
Kowitt talking about doing Jewish Genealogical Research in the
Ukraine. Registration is required at www.ocjgs.org. Registration is
free to OCJGS members and $5 for non members. All fees can be paid
for at our website www.ocjgs.org.

Michelle Sandler MLS
President OCJGS
Westminster, California


Re: Immigration via Hoboken? #usa

Joel Weintraub
 

I sent a short message to Laurie about the “port” of Hoboken.  Hoboken had docks for the Hamburg-America Line, and perhaps berthed other ships as well.  The port however should be the Port of New York... that is, Ellis Island.  The important part of the message is that the arrival was shown on the naturalization papers to be 1898.  She should check for the ship arrivals page at stevemorse.org to see if it actually did arrive on Sept. 12th, 1898.  Any arrival information before 1905, when immigration authorities had to certify ship arrival information on the Certificate of Arrival during the naturalization process  should be considered suspect.  I suggested to Laurie that she throw away her assumptions about the arrival information, and concentrate on Ellis Island arrivals.  However, if the person came on first or second class, those manifests from 1897 to 1902 are missing from Ellis Island.
Joel Weintraub
Dana Point, CA



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Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Lee Jaffe
 

I  find Geni's accessibility to be two-edged sword, causing potentially more damage than it has benefits.  I've just found someone added 3 half-siblings – no names, no gender, not vital data – to my immediate tree.  It seems that their tree had me and my two brothers as my father's children but didn't have my mother's identity, so Geni registered them as different people.  It's too easy to add the wrong information and much harder to find and correct such mistakes.
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Lee David Jaffe

Surnames / Towns:  Jaffe / Suchowola, Poland ; Stein (Sztejnsapir) / Bialystok and Rajgrod, Poland ; Joroff (Jaroff, Zarov) / Chernigov, Ukraine ; Schwartz (Schwarzman?, Schwarzstein?) / ? ;  Koshkin / Snovsk, Ukraine ; Rappoport / ? ; Braun / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland,  Ludwinowski / Wizajny, Suwalki, Poland

 


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Adam Turner
 


It also retains history of changes, which is invaluable for sorting out errors, and ensuring a high level of accuracy.
This is all great as an aspirational goal for Geni curators, but as applied to 98% of actually existing Geni trees, it's risible. The vast majority of Geni users are unaware of/uninterested in how to do cleanup on others' Geni trees, and errors that are theoretically correctable end up persisting on the site forever, getting copied over and over into other people's trees on other sites, etc. While there are certainly a few large, well-manicured Geni trees out there, there is also a gigantic "long tail" of Geni trees (which includes most of the ones I routinely come across via search engines) that receive none of this curatorial attention, and it shows. Saying the equivalent of "stop telling people not to use Geni then, if lots more people use it it will get much more accurate!" comes off as...very wishful thinking at best.

Since kvetching about Geni has been done to death in this forum, I'll instead diss FindAGrave, which has even higher practical barriers to corrections than Geni. As far as I can tell, only the person who has claimed a FindAGrave memorial page can edit it - and there are some users who have claimed hundreds of thousands of them for the purpose of uploading all the photos of the stones they photograph. The part that drives me up the wall is that frequently, these FindAGrave power users contribute their own error-filled "research" to the memorial pages; by "research," I mean they appear to have spent about 5 seconds pasting the results of a search on Ancestry or FamilySearch into the memorial, without doing any double-checking whatsoever to be sure they've correctly matched these records with the grave they photographed. Then when you point out their obvious errors to them, half the time they snippily demand that you provide rigorous citations for your correction before they will apply it!

My point here is that it's very easy for sites reliant on user-generated content to slip into an eye-rolling equilibrium: one where the power users do virtually zero due diligence of their own to propagate very long-lasting errors, and then set the norms that everyone else, not they, 1) are the ones who should be responsible for performing the labor of cleaning up the mess they made; 2) also need to be held to a far higher data quality standard than they themselves used to originally make that mess.

Adam Turner


Re: Baden Germany 1687-1730 R. Seligmann of Hüffenhardt Mohel Book Transcription #germany

Alex Calzareth
 

As a correction to my earlier post, the transcription was prepared  in 1932/33 by Samuel Jeselsohn, not his son Sigmund. Additionally, Samuel Jeselsohn had a  copy of the Neckarbischofsheim Jewish vital records for 1811 - 1870 prepared which can be viewed at https://www.nli.org.il/en/manuscripts/NNL_ALEPH997007685352605171/NLI#$FL135956650 . Although other copies of these records exist, this copy is typewritten and therefore easier to use.

Alex Calzareth


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Laurie Sosna
 

The issue I have with genealogical cross-pollination is when trees contain some information that i know to be correct, but much of it is wrong and that gets repeated across hundreds of trees. This isn't just confined to one site.

I have worked hard for 30 years to be diligent, accurate and documented. I started a private tree on Ancestry which only contains names of people I can document. There are no names with “no sources” or only with hints from other trees. I know who every person is, how they connect to me. I’ve always taken care to make sure the documents I attach are the correct person. If I’m not sure, I’ll add it to my notes to research more. Ancestry has helped me immeasurably to locate documents that I would not have been able to find on my own.

I decided to make my tree public, in the hope that people might contact me with new information. Then I started getting hints to trees with completely incorrect documents: naturalization records from a state where the person never lived; grave records in a state the person never lived; incorrect birthplace; children’s names with no sources, parent’s names I know to be wrong.  Those trees also contained link to my tree.

Those incorrect trees then became the source for other trees that propagate the incorrect information. Just because someone has thousands of names in their tree does not make them more reliable than someone who has several hundred. People don’t link at the tree with the most sources, or even look to see what those sources are.  When you have a very common last name, it is even easier to get things wrong.

I made my tree private again. Unfortunately, the barn door of misinformation has been blown off the hinges and it can’t be fixed. I can’t reasonably be expected to contact each tree owner and fix the cascade of incorrect information.

It hurts me very deeply to see my work mixed in with those who just seem to be collecting names. Every name in my tree is precious, every document I find helps them come alive. Each document chronicles that they lived in that place at that time, what they did, how they lived. My family is full of tailors, plumbers, shoemakers, shopkeepers. They sold insurance, owned gas stations and delis. They weren’t famous, though some of their descendants are. Documenting their lives connects me to an experience that I cannot live myself but I can reconstruct to honor them.

Laurie Sosna
San Francisco, CA
SOSNA: Ivonivka (near Yampil), Mogilev
GOIKHMAN: Rascov, Mogilev
LEVIN: Vilna, Dnipro
GOLDBLOOM: Ostroweic, Radom, Poland
KOBB: Ukmerge
FRIEDSON: Ukmerge


LAPL is looking for an expert to present a beginning Jewish genealogy session (online) #education

Julie Huffman <jhuffman@...>
 

Hi, there,

I'm the genealogy librarian at the Los Angeles Public Library, and I've been asked time and again to facilitate a presentation on beginning Jewish genealogy (the challenges, the resources, etc.).  So, I'm reaching out to the JewishGen community to see if anyone might be interested!
 
I have a monthly genealogy program called Genealogy Garage that has been very well attended ever since I switched to the online format (LAPL broadcasts it live on its Facebook and YouTube channels).  Here is a link to our Armenian Genealogy program that took place last Saturday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qgRhtKTrO0
 
It normally occurs on the third Saturday of the month, but I'm happy to reschedule for Friday (or any other day) due to the Sabbath.  Ideally, I'm looking for someone who might be able to do it in July or August.  Our sessions are usually 1 - 1.5 hours long, with questions & answers from the audience.  I'd love to be able to keep the recorded version of the presentation live on our website for future referrals.
 
Oh, and, I don't have any money to pay our presenters--but the exposure is dynamite!  ☺
 
Thanks for any consideration, and feel free to respond to me directly at jhuffman@....
 
Cheers,
 
Julie Huffman, Genealogy Librarian
Los Angeles Public Library
630 W. Fifth St., Los Angeles, CA 90071
213-228-7413
jhuffman@...


Needing help in deciphering the name of a place #poland #lodz

relly800@...
 

Need help deciphering name of a place my mother z"l mentioned as an area that my FELD family were from. 
It sounds like Brest Kuyav and might be in the Wloclawek/Dobrzyn nad Wisla area.
Any ideas as to which place this might be? 
Help would be appreciated,
Relly Coleman
FELD Dobrzyn nad Wisla, Zakroczym
WARSZAWSKI

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