Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Marcel Apsel

Hi Laurie,


I completely agree with you, when putting trees on internet (geni, myheritage etc …) there are plenty of people who think they are smart in adding anything in order to get a huge, but mostly fabricated, tree.  I have my family tree privately build and once a cousin asked me to forward him my gedcom file; I send it to him with the explicit demand not to put it on internet.  This ‘idiot’ did it without my permission (I had to respect privacy matters with some family members) and at the long run my tree became a mess with shulent, kigel and kishke mixed.  I was really furious on that cousin and decided that I never again will give a gedcom format to any one, only a PDF descendant format tree to family members.  It does not mean that geni and myheritage have not positive effects in researching.  I do researching through this channels, but try to be very careful with the information on it.  Most of the information is more or less correct, but with experience you might find mistakes and completely invented pieces, like a son who is born 30 years after the death of his mother, as well as putting wrong information through different trees and mixing them together.

It is important to keep track of correct records; for example I found yesterday somebody who stated that her grandfather was born in London, what was absolutely impossible; but she did not know and supposed that what she decided was correct … and this information will on the long run be kept as correct.

My conclusion is : you can research all kind of records anywhere, but keep it in mind that any record where ever you find it can be right or wrong, not only geni/myheritage, but also civil records anywhere.  Use common sense and then you will be able to detect most mistakes.


Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Marcel Apsel

Luckily there are some people like you; if not we will have to ‘accept’ that each rabbi would have between 50 children or more ……!!!!!


Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium


Re: Needing help in deciphering the name of a place #poland #lodz

Krzysztof Witaszek

The place is Brześć Kujawski located 8 km west of  Włocławek 

Krzysztof Witaszek

Re: Requesting translations from German #germany #translation

Dr. Ruth Leiserowitz

Most of the texts are in Dutch, only small parts in German.

Ruth Leiserowitz

Berlin / Warsaw

This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #poland

Bruce Drake

One topic common to many Yizkor books is a description of the town’s market day. Market days were a vital part of the economy on which people depended for the earnings that would carry them through the week and beyond. They were also raucous affairs where people socialized and drank, Jews mixed with gentile traders and customers, and the shouts of goods being hawked and haggling over prices filled the jammed marketplace.
In one sense, you can say if you’ve seen or read about one market day, you’ve seen and read them all. But what is always appealing about these accounts, however similar, is that each has its own unique cast of characters who are vividly described. Each has different ways of recounting the “art of the deal.” Descriptions of the foods are delights. But more than all of that, market day was a microcosm of Jewish life in the shtetls, and chapters like these seem to capture all of it.
“At the Market: A Jewish Town's Struggle for Bread” is from the Yizkor book of Kolbuszowa, Poland, although this particular translation comes from a well-known anthology of Yizkor book chapters titled "From a Ruined Garden."
I think I can give you a little taste of this chapter without spoiling it, just so you know what I mean. Here’s a favorite passage of mine:
“The first rays of God's sun meet with signs of preparation for a busy day. Shutters open. Jews with their tefilin bags under their arms hurry home from early services. The Biale vegetable growers, who had arrived the previous night in order to secure their accustomed spots, creep out from underneath the wagons where they've spent the night, and begin to sort out their produce. The ‘Bialer goyim’ are well-acquainted with the things Jews need for their Sabbath table. Onions for fish, parsley for soup, little cucumbers with dill for pickling, and carrots for tsimes. A growing human stream, together with containers and merchandise, pours forth from all of the back streets, Jews bearing crates, poles, and boards get ready to build their ‘pavilions’ at the Great Weekly Exhibition.”

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel

Re: Needing help in deciphering the name of a place #poland #lodz

Dr. Ruth Leiserowitz

I think, this is Brześć Kujawski 
Coordinates: 52°36′18″N 18°53′53″E

Ruth Leiserowitz
Berlin / Warsaw

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Re: Immigration via Hoboken? #usa

Janette Silverman

The Friederich der grosse landed in the Port of New York on 23 August. It took about 10 days for the sailing. It is unlikely that it returned to Europe and made it back to the U.S. by 12 Sep 1898. If a passenger was traveling steerage, they would have gone through Ellis Island, whether their ship docked at New York or Hoboken. After clearing the various check-ups on Ellis Island, they would have taken the ferry back to either New York or Hoboken. There's a great article from 2014  at
Janette Silverman
Phoenix, AZ and Salt Lake City, UT


Re: Immigration via Hoboken? #usa

Judy Floam

I took a Holland-America student ship from Hoboken when I went to Europe in my ‘20s.   The year would have been 1962.


Judy Floam

Baltimore, MD


Requesting translations from German #germany #translation


I have a stack of letters between my grandparents in the 30s that I'm trying to get translated. I've attached a few here - any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you, 
Edith Goldman

Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Odeda Zlotnick

 this is why you never copy from someone else! Often these people just seem to want to brag about how many people are in their tree. One person posts unverified data in their tree and 100 others copy these mistakes into their trees and the mistake snowballs. Don't be one of those people.

We should all try to distinguish between:
  1. "My tree" - the tree which I trust, edit and share  with people whom I choose to share with.
  2. "Public Tree": A tree out there on an internet site.
  3. "Collaborated tree" A tree on which I collaborate only with people trust and those who trust me

We should also realize the the sites offering "Smart Matches" and "Links" are dangling baits for users to cough up and pay subscripion money.  One should never ever accept them blindly. Sometime, they add great info. Sometimes they don't - buyer beware.

I have had even Geni curators merge profiles and mess up the tree I consider my public tree - and I have had them correct the mess when I sent them documentation.

I have had "merge" requests on Geni, that I simply ignore - and I have had disagreements with collaborators, which we agreed to leave as documented comments concerning that person or name.

As noted by Pieter Hoekstra: Some people honestly think and feel that the larger their tree, the better things are. Others value validity.  Those of us who value validity can't fight / or try convince those who believe in "this is a public party and the more the merrier". We can and should tend our garden to the best of our ability - 

And always remember the following comic:
xkcd: Duty Calls
Duty Calls

Odeda Zlotnick 
Jerusalem, Israel.

passports for non-naturalized residents london, canada and the usa? #records

arnold friedman <afriedman21@...>

i have a morris/maurice/maures/max jacobs/jackson who was born in
poland abt 1851, he was living as a boarder in london in 1871,
married in 1877, went to canada around 1907 and came to the US in
1924, died in 1929.

Do non-citizens residents get something like a government passport
prior to traveling to a new country, and if so, is it called a
passport or some other document, and where might i find it for England
or Canada.

Based on my research so far, i believe that it was unlikely that he
ever became a naturalized citizen of uk, canada or usa

i am trying to figure out what city in poland he came from and/or both
his parents names. I have wedding record from uk gov and the great
synagogue, us boarder crossing, death record, lots of census records
for morris, but nothing that provides fuller information like
naturalization records or possibly passport application (a passport
photo of him would be nice)

So appreciate advice on non citizen resident gov records like might be
available in that timeframe especially in london or toronto canada.

thank you

arnold friedman
redwood city, ca usa

with Wife Marianna Green and Father Israel.
I have not identified any siblings for Morris.

Looking for information/documents on Abuliak and Ber families #records #bessarabia #ukraine #romania

Alberto Kremnitzer

Dear friends.
I'm looking for any information, birth, marriage, death or other certificate, record or cemetery information on the following ancestors.
Searched by name and cemetery records on Jewishgen with no success.
Any information on how to find information or documents on them will be deeply appreciated:

Isaac(Yitschak) Ber and Lea Ber who lived in Khotin/Hotin c. 1870 to 1930, then Romania, now Ukraine.
Their sons Wolf Ber b. 16 Sept. 1906 and Ionda(Jonda) b. 15 June 1903, both migrated to Brazil 1929/30.

Moricis Abuliac (Abulhk, Abuliak) e Rifca(Rivca) Abuliac.who lived in Briceni c. 1870 to 1930, then Romania, now Moldova.
Their daughter Perl b. 01 Feb. 1918, migrated to Brazil and got married to Wolf Ber.
Thank you.
Alberto Kremnitzer  ID#: 38830

Re: Free Webinars with Dr Janette Silverman, Eastern European Genealogy expert 5/1 #events


People seem to be having trouble with understanding the facebook event for some reason, is an alternative way to register for the event
Vivs Laliberte

Orange County, Calfiornia

Re: NYC Police Reports #records

Sherri Bobish


If they married in NYC you can use this free search to find her husband's full name:
NYC Marriage License Index 1950-1995

If they married in NYC before 1950 you can try this database on Ancestry, or if you have access to Ancestry just try this one since it covers more years:
NYC Marriage Licenses 1907-1995

You can also use these databases to see if her husband re-married.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Re: Immigration via Hoboken? #usa

A. E. Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: laurie.budgar@...

I just received my great-granduncle's naturalization records. They indicate he immigrated through the port of Hoboken on 12 Sep 1898 on the ship Frederick der Grosse. I've never heard of immigrating through this port, 

Hoboken NJ is part of the port complex of New York in the eyes of the immigration folks and the passenger lists are in the NYC records. Immigrants would still go through Ellis Island or the Barge office depending on time or processed on the dock when they were traveling in the higher classes of the ship. Ships going to New York and New Jersey all came through the same route called The Narrows and they would stop at the the immigration point for clearances.

Hoboken is on the west side of the Hudson River so the ship made a left coming north on the river instead of turning right to Manhattan or Brooklyn.

The German shipping companies used the docks in Hoboken and Brooklyn for many years and Holland-America Line went to Hoboken till the 1960s. (If you ever see the movie On the Waterfront, that is the Hoboken docks and a Holland America liner from the 1950s is in some of the scenes.)

Allan Jordan
(a maritime historian as well as a genealogist)
New York

Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

JoAnne Goldberg

The "wrong people" issue is a longstanding problem. For me, the value of
sharing information outweighs the downside, so I try to be zen about the
mistakes I so often run across. (Like the guy who seems to believe that
my great-grandfather was age 8 when he had his first child.)

About the unresponsiveness on places like Ancestry: I am guessing some
people test, or upload a tree using a burner email, and never come back
to check messages.

It would be helpful if Ancestry had more sophisticated data validation.
But they are apparently are making enough money without offering too
many bells and whistles, and they only (grudgingly) make enhancements
when they can no longer ignore demand.  MyHeritage has been more useful
for trying to locate connections, but it's still early days for this

I'm sad to see that people are keeping trees private. I understand the
desire for record integrity, but that can be achieved via a tree that's
maintained offline. We don't own our ancestors' info, and if my public
tree can help someone else with a breakthrough, well, isn't that part of
the reason we do this?

JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535


Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general

Scott D. Groll

Unfortunately, even JewishGen is not immune to this issue. I have had someone go in and hand transcribe a large portion of my tree from the FTJP into their own tree on Ancestry, and then proceed to change things to fit their methodology. This person was not even a blood relative! No amount of pleading with him would make him budge or change anything. :(

Scott Groll
Ventura County, CA

Re: Wrong people on family trees on genealogy sites #general


I would like to throw into the mix, the thought/intention that some copying of data from others may be purely that people are hopeful that a new piece of information may lead to somewhere meaningful. Obviously, there should be a caveat on the accuracy and one would hope that if incorrect data becomes apparent that each would communicate such and rectify.
Karen Saunders

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 10:11, Alan Ehrlich <alan.ehrlich@...> wrote:

Randy wrote: "There is so much misinformation about Geni from people who don’t really use it. The critic Alan Ehrlich, for example, has added just 34 profiles..."

It's my sincere 'hope' that Randy's incorrect statement above is solely because he was misinformed. However, since he so often unflinchingly disses anybody who's critical in any manner about Geni, well I don't know... Anyway, for information, allow me to set the record straight:

Even before Geni's official launch, while Geni still was in beta test mode, I uploaded an initial gedcom file which by then documented circa 3'000 ancestors and relatives... plus further updated that on several occasions during the following year and months. Oh yes, since then my family database gradually grew to include 20'000+ persons... which many of you know first hand as I've always been eager to share with others all the information it contains.

Perhaps 'food-for-thought' on Geni's behalf, rather than reflexively responding 'ad hominem', perhaps offer remedies to the serious short-comings we are pointing out.

Kind regards,
Alan Ehrlich
Geneva, Switzerland

Hello. I would like to join to research info about my 4 x g grandfather Abraham ben Gedaliah Tiktin 1764 - 1820. With thx.

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