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Re: Travel from Grajewo or Augustowo Poland to the Port of Rotterdam May 1917 #general

Jill Whitehead
 

Hi Esther,

Grajewo (in Lomza gubernia) and Augustow (in Suwalki gubernia) were right on the border with Konigsberg in East Prussia, a major Baltic port. A lot of people smuggling took place in the last quarter of the 19th century in this way. In WW1 this area was overrun by the German Army and it was part of the WW1 front line (same in WW2 as well). So it is likely your ancestor found their way to Konigsberg Port.

All my great grandparents came from this area to UK between 1865 and 1875.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


Re: Preferred naming conventions/approaches for family trees #records #general

Kenneth Ryesky
 

Never mind marriages!  In my family tree I have name changes by adoption.  But never mind them, either; I also have court-approved gender changes in my family tree (judges are not necessarily biologists, and do not necessarily conform to biological laws).
--
Ken Ryesky,  Petach Tikva, Israel     kenneth.ryesky@... 

Researching:
RAISKY/REISKY, ARONOV, SHKOLNIK(OV), AEROV; Gomel, Belarus
GERTZIG, BRODSKY; Yelizavetgrad, Ukraine
BRODSKY, VASILESKY; Odessa, Ukraine
IZRAELSON, ARSHENOV; Yevpatoriya, Ukraine (Crimea)


JGS Libraries Birds of a Feather Session #jgs-iajgs

Michelle Sandler
 

Last year I led a Birds of a Feather session at the IAJGS Convention
on JGS Libraries. Does anyone want the session to be repeated this
year? If so is anyone willing to help moderate the session and help
come up with an agenda for the session. I do not want to be the only
person running this session. It is too stressful for me.

Michelle Sandler MLS
Orange County California Jewish Genealogy Society
Librarian
Westminster, California


Re: Preferred naming conventions/approaches for family trees #records #general

Michael Herzlich
 

For Q2: How do you deal with name changes and alternate/variant spellings in family trees?
 
For both Family Tree Maker and Ancestry you can specify more than one name.  You just "add fact"-Name then either specify which one is "preferred" or default to let it remain with the previous preferred name.

There is also another Fact you can add for both, "Also Known As".  I like to use this for Family Tree Maker as this name is listed in the Names Index on the left part of the screen making it easy to visually see both the Preferred Name and the AKA Name.  Alternate names do not show up in the index. 

If you do not see AKA in the main view of Family Tree Maker, open Options, select the Names/Dates/Places tab and add the check mark to "Use AKA if available as an additional entry"  You can then use the "Customize View" button on the the bottom right of the main screen to organize where AKA is displayed.

In Ancestry the Alternate names are not displayed unless you expand the names field.
In Ancestry the AKA name is displayed towards the bottom of the Facts Tab.
--
Michael Herzlich
Delray Beach, Florida USA

Belarus - EPSTEIN, HELFAND, POLLACK
Galicia (Poland, Ukraine) - HERZLICH, TREIBER


Zloczow (Zolochive) Yizkor Book #yizkorbooks

Nehama and Moshe Kutten
 

Dear coordinator,

 

The following is a note for the Jewishgen discussion group newsletter

Thank you

Moshe Kutten

 

 

 

I am translating the Zloczow (Zolochiv) Yizkor Book to English for the Jewishgen site. Page 127 / 128 is missing on the digital copy of the book located on  the New York Library website. I would appreciate if I can receive a copy of the page from anybody who owns the original Hebrew book

 

Moshe Kutten


Re: What was the purpose of this document issued in Czarist Russia? #russia

jbonline1111@...
 

I have a copy of a Russian passport from the 1890s, when my paternal great grandfather traveled to the USA with some of his minor children.  The children's names are included on it.  Because it is written in Russian, French and English, I always assumed it was an international passport. Now I wonder. 
--
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


List of Victims of Babi Yar? #ukraine #holocaust

David Levine
 

Hi everyone

I've been searching for lists of victims killed at Babi Yar but have not been successful. Does this exist? 
In general, it has been hard to find names of my family members who died by the holocaust by bullets as far less records were kept of these mass murders.
Thanks

--
Best Regards,
David Levine
San Francisco, CA, USA
davidelevine@...
Researching: 
Weinstein -> Solotwina, Galicia | Frisch, Hilman, Jungerman, Schindler -> Rozniatow, Galicia | Golanski, Kramerofsky/Kromerovsky -> Kiev | Lefkowitz -> Petrikov, Belarus | Shub, Rosen Hlusk, Belarus | Levine, Weiner, Zamoshkin -> Slutsk, Belarus 
 


Travel from Grajewo or Augustowo Poland to the Port of Rotterdam May 1917 #general

Esther Brill
 

Has any been able to discover how, in 1917,    someone  would  travel from Graewo or Augostowo  to the Port of Rotterdam to board s ship to NYC

 

Similarly, in 1911 to travel from GraJewo Poland to Bremen Germany to board a ship there.

Thank you

Esther Levine Brill

 

 

 


CORRECTION Re: Help deciphering a town name on passenger Manifest #records #ukraine

David Levine
 

I sent a screenshot of the wrong line item (these manifests are confusing!)
Correct: Line 19
(link below and upload are corrected)


I need some help figuring out the town name for this relative from a 1903 passenger manifest
The town is most likely somewhere south of Kiev
Below is a screenshot of the word
The entire sheet is attached to this email for viewing
Or, the link on Ancestry is here: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/7488/images/NYT715_326-0131?pId=4001809269
Date 1903 Mar 01 SS Pennsylvania sailing Hamburg -> New York
Row 19 of page 62 of 83
--
Best Regards,
David Levine
San Francisco, CA, USA
davidelevine@...
Researching: 
Weinstein -> Solotwina, Galicia | Frisch, Hilman, Jungerman, Schindler -> Rozniatow, Galicia | Golanski, Kramerofsky/Kromerovsky -> Kiev | Lefkowitz -> Petrikov, Belarus | Shub, Rosen Hlusk, Belarus | Levine, Weiner, Zamoshkin -> Slutsk, Belarus 


Re: Preferred naming conventions/approaches for family trees #records #general

Max Heffler
 

Geni has a maiden name field and the name shows up in parentheses. There is an “also known as” field and all variants in the maiden name and AKA field are found in searches. I normally use the surname field as the final name used, frequently on headstones.

 

Max Heffler

Houston, TX

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Sally Bruckheimer via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:59 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Preferred naming conventions/approaches for family trees #general #records

 

Women's name change with marriage, so generally the norm is to record a woman by her maiden name. Every online genealogy program, EXCEPT Geni, follows this. Since women often married 3 or 4 times in Europe (men too, but they didn't change their surname), I don't know how Geni handles that.

Spelling varied too. Schwartz and Szwarc are the same name - the Soundex systems try to account for this, but you can use wild cards and  'Starts with' option.
Vowels varied often, as immigrants changed their name's spelling to a different alphabet (Yiddish or Russian to English), so Birzon and Berzon are cousins.

Online searches can be easier, if you edit the surname to the one you want: if you want to find out what happened after she was married, used her married name in a search; if you want to find her as a girl with her parents use her maiden name.

The more you search, the more 'helps' you will discover.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


--

Max Heffler
Houston, TX
max@...
HEFFLER(Ukraine)/TIRAS(Poland)/WASSEMAN(Lithuania)/MOORE(Poland)/ZLOT(Lithuania)
GORENSTEIN(Ukraine)/FLEISCHMAN(Latvia)/GOLDEN(Lithuania)


Family name of Rabbi David ben Moshe of Kletzk-Rav of Novarodok 19th cent. #names #rabbinic

Richard Gilbert
 

Hi Yoni,

I too have family that came from Kletzk and finally took the bull by the horns and paid for a researcher to do some research in the Minsk archives. I would suggest you do the same. Despite myths circulating that records were destroyed my researcher found around 50 records or so relating to members of my family. That may be the only way you will find what you are looking for.

Kind regards,

Richard Gilbert
Hertfordshire, England


Help deciphering a town name on passenger Manifest #records #ukraine

David Levine
 

Hi everyone,

I need some help figuring out the town name for this relative from a 1903 passenger manifest
The town is most likely somewhere south of Kiev
Below is a screenshot of the word
The entire sheet is attached to this email for viewing
Or, the link on Ancestry is here: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/7488/images/NYT715_326-0131?pId=4001809269
Date 1903 Mar 01 SS Pennsylvania sailing Hamburg -> New York
Row 19 of page 62 of 83




Many thanks

--
Best Regards,
David Levine
San Francisco, CA, USA
davidelevine@...
Researching: 
Weinstein -> Solotwina, Galicia | Frisch, Hilman, Jungerman, Schindler -> Rozniatow, Galicia | Golanski, Kramerofsky/Kromerovsky -> Kiev | Lefkowitz -> Petrikov, Belarus | Shub, Rosen Hlusk, Belarus | Levine, Weiner, Zamoshkin -> Slutsk, Belarus 


Re: Preferred naming conventions/approaches for family trees #records #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

Women's name change with marriage, so generally the norm is to record a woman by her maiden name. Every online genealogy program, EXCEPT Geni, follows this. Since women often married 3 or 4 times in Europe (men too, but they didn't change their surname), I don't know how Geni handles that.

Spelling varied too. Schwartz and Szwarc are the same name - the Soundex systems try to account for this, but you can use wild cards and  'Starts with' option.
Vowels varied often, as immigrants changed their name's spelling to a different alphabet (Yiddish or Russian to English), so Birzon and Berzon are cousins.

Online searches can be easier, if you edit the surname to the one you want: if you want to find out what happened after she was married, used her married name in a search; if you want to find her as a girl with her parents use her maiden name.

The more you search, the more 'helps' you will discover.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Re: Searching for Oretsky family #belarus

hollysbears@...
 

Oh no, multiple Roses!  My great-great grandmother married Samuel Friedman and then moved to Philadelphia, PA. 

Holly Koppel


Re: "first name known, unknown last name in New Jersey"--Update #usa

Eva Lawrence
 

Phone numbers are easily lost, and emails disappear at the bottom of one's inbox.  If neither of these work, I'd try an good old-fashioned paper letter, with my address at the top.










--
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


ABRAMOWITZ of Novarodok-19th cent. #names

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

How would I go about finding jews in Novarodok by the name of
ABRAMOWITZ during the 19th cent. ?

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Family name of Rabbi David ben Moshe of Kletzk-Rav of Novarodok 19th cent. #names #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Searching for family name of Rabbi David, ben (son of) Moshe of
Kletzk. David was the Rav of Novarodok during most of the 19th
century. His son, Moshe, who died young (age 30) adopted the name
HOROWITZ as per his father-in-law's name (of Minsk). David's father
was not R' Moshe EISENSTAT of Kletzk.

The possibility that he didn't have a family name is strange since his
father's contempory, Moshe of Kletzk had a name-EISENSTAT and the
Rabbis of Novarodok before and after him did have.

I would also appreciate knowing about other children of his father (Moshe).

TIA

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Re: "first name known, unknown last name in New Jersey"--Update #usa

Marilyn Robinson
 

Hi All,
 In December 2020 I posted, in part, the following: 
 
"Several years ago, I found a September, 1963 letter addressed to my maternal grandmother, Gussie Levine SCHULTZ, signed by a nephew, "Peter". He referred to my grandmother as his "aunt". The letter was from West-Long Branch, NJ., but no street address was listed. It was signed as, "Peter & Elise & children (three of them)". One of the children's names mentioned, was "Roland"; no other names were included in the note...."
 
Several people from this SIG were so helpful with solving this mystery: The family's last name is/was GOLDBERG and some family members are still in West Long Branch. Peter's mother, Millie/Mildred LEVINE (Leurie) was an unknown sister of my maternal grandmother's.
 
One of Peter's sons was William.  (b. 1951)-I contacted him by phone (left a message) & his wife, Judith Scharf Goldberg (via Facebook)---neither of them responded back. I also contacted Robin Compoly, Judith's sister, who was on F/B & on Ancestry (creating a small Goldberg tree). She finally responded, saying that she was researching GOLDBERG on behalf of William and that she would forward my info. to him. And, if he had any interest he would contact me himself-- Never heard from William Goldberg, & it's now 4 months later---sooo frustrating!! I'm not sure what else I can do at this point--any ideas???
Marilyn Robinson (aka JewishGem)
Florida
Researching: UNTERBERGER (Krakow, Tarnow)


Preferred naming conventions/approaches for family trees #records #general

finejeffy@...
 

I’m wondering about the preferred naming conventions or approaches for family trees. I primarily work on Ancestry.com and Family Tree Maker. I guess the question is related to optimizing automatic search algorithms or making info easily accessible to searchers.

 

Q1. Married versus Maiden Name. Which makes most sense? Is there a best way to include both? If so, do they both go in the last name field? What about divorces?

When Ancestry searches for the married name as a maiden name, there are a lot of irrelevant results.

For example:

 

Pauline Weinberg (2nd marriage)

Pauline Shecter (1st marriage)

Ronia Ekeltzik (Belarusian passport)

 

Q2. How do you deal with name changes and alternate/variant spellings in family trees?

 

Julius Schiller (maybe original name S(w)erlin or Z(w)erlin)

 

Rebecca Schiller – maiden name Chanovitz (father’s last name is listed as Chasen. Various sibs/relatives are named Chasen, Chason, Chanovitt, Chanovitz.

Thanks,


Jeff Fine
Montclair, NJ, USA
finejeffy@...
Family names/towns
Sekuran, Bessarabia (Shecter, Eisenberg)
Igumen, Minsk, Belarus (Ekelchik, Sussman)
Minsk(?) (Fine, Z(w)erlin)
Poland, maybe Warsaw (Treistman)
Ulanow, Poland (Hassenfeld, Laufer, Reich, Ölbaum)


Re: What was the purpose of this document issued in Czarist Russia? #russia

Dr. Ruth Leiserowitz
 

Domestic passports were necessary in the tsarist empire if one left one's place of residence for longer than six months or to travel outside the home region. Numerous Jews left the tsardom only with a domestic passport. They crossed the border into Prussia illegally and then traveled on.  

Ruth Leiserowitz
Berlin / Warsaw

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