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Zhitomir name #ukraine

Molly Staub
 

 

 

Dear Genners, I've been searching for my maternal great grandmother's maiden name for decades, with no results. She was known in the family as Riva the Booba (meaning midwife). She married my ggf Yishea/Ovshiy Berensohn and they then lived in Krasnoye, Podolia Gubernia. Their son, my gf Shmuel/Sam Berenson, was born there in 1880. I know she delivered Harry Loigman(1892), Ida Loigman (1893), and Victor Loigman (1904) in Krasnoye. Now, there was a large group in Philadelphia, the Gershman family, who attended all our family functions. I never knew how we were related. They came from Zhitomir and the farthest back I've gotten was Leib Gershman. In Pennsylvania, my aunt Rive/Rebecca Berenson was born in 1915, so I assume she was named after my ggm Riva --who presumably died between 1905 (when an older sibling was born) and my aunt's birth. Does anyone who is researching Zhitomir find any of this familiar?
Many thanks, Molly Arost Staub 

Searching
BERENSON (Krasnoye, Ukraine)
GROFFMAN/GRAFFMAN (Ukraine)
AROST/HARAST/JAROST (Bessarabia)
SHTOFMAN (Bessarabia)

 

 

Molly Arost Staub

Boca Raton, FL

E-mail staubmolly@...

 


Re: descendants of Cecilia SOLOMON (or SLOMAN) #unitedkingdom #general

Sherri Bobish
 

David,

Have you seen Cecilia SOLOMON / SOLOMAN on the 1881 UK census?
Born 1871 in London.
Parents: Morris Joseph Soloman &
Lucy Soloman
Siblings:  Lucy, Morris, Charles Joseph, George, Ada.
Brother-in-law living with them:  Frederick ELLIOTT

You may want to do further research to prove / disprove if this is the Lucy SOLOMON that you seek.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Request Info on Chevra Anshei Shalom Khaidenev #usa

Sherri Bobish
 

Jeff,

"Khaidenev" (Koidenav in Yiddish) = Dzyarzhynsk, Belarus

See:
https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/dzyarzhynsk/overview.html
"Traditional/Orthodox Chevrah Anshe Sholom Koidonov (1920-5) at 33 Jefferson Street "

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


The surname RAPPEL #poland

Peter Pichler
 

My grandmother, born in 1864, came from Rzeszow in (now) Poland.  Her maiden name was RAPPEL.  Does anyone know the origin of the surname?

 

Peter Pichler

 

 


Discounts on DNA tests thru Mother's Day #dna

Erica Fox Zabusky
 

Last month I attended a webinar about DNA testing, and we learned that many companies would be offering a discount for National DNA Day on April 25th. I missed that deadline, but learned that companies offer a Mother's Day discount through Sunday, May 9th. The companies I found with offers are: 
1. Ancestry - $60 (down from $100); 
2. Family Tree DNA - $60 (down from $80), with option to add mtDNA for $140 (down from $160); and 
3. My Heritage - $60 (down from $80). 
 
It was suggested we get 2 tests done - one with Ancestry and one with 23andMe, as they don't allow transfer of data between the two. I'm curious about Family Tree, as they are affiliated with JewishGen, but have a much smaller database (with likely a higher percentage of Jews in it than the others), and My Heritage, which is a newer company. Should I spring for 2 tests, one with Ancestry and another one? Or just start Ancestry and wait for the next holiday discount to purchase another test?
 

Erica Fox Zabusky

FRYDMAN - Sochaczew

GELBSTEIN – Sochaczew, New York

ZABUSKI – Bedzin, Czestochowa, Sochaczew

BRAUN, PANKOWSKI - Czestochowa

FIKSEL - Slavuta, Izyaslav / Zaslav, Kharkov

RUDMAN - Slavuta, Izyaslav / Zaslav, Odessa

FOX (FIKSEL) – Boston, St. Louis
 
>>>>>
 
Erica Fox Zabusky
5871 Aylesboro Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15217
cell: 267.258.6640



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Erica Fox Zabusky
ZABUSKI - Czestochowa, Sochaczew
FRYDMANN - Sochaczew
BRAUN, PANKOWSKI - Czestochowa
FIKSEL, RUDMAN - Izaslav, Slavuta, Odessa, Kharkov
POLISZUK, GOLDMAN - Izaslav, Slavuta


UJGS Meeting - Monday May 10th #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Banai Lynn Feldstein
 

The next UJGS Meeting is on Monday, May 10th, at 6:30pm MDT.

We will have Angie Bush speaking about "Endogamy and Your DNA Matches".

All are welcome to join.

https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/1595915151811868171

If you find value in our webinars, and attend many, consider joining
our society to help support it. https://ujgs.org/blog/join/


Banai Lynn Feldstein
Utah JGS Webmaster
webmaster@...
http://ujgs.org/
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Banai Lynn Feldstein
Professional Genealogist
Salt Lake City, Utah
http://idogenealogy.com/
http://geneasearch.net/


Re: Denenberg, Norway #scandinavia

Peter Lobbenberg
 

Seth, the context of your posting is unclear - entering Denenberg in the search box gives no hits.  Can you explain?  And what is "his story" to which you refer?

Meanwhile however, for what it's worth, I have found on findagrave.com a Sidney Dean or Denenberg, son of Lazarus Denenberg of Bialystok, who died on 5 July 1942 in Lørenskog in Norway aged 48 (born 21 May 1894) and lies buried in the local cemetery.

Best wishes
Peter Lobbenberg, London, UK


This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #JewishGenUpdates

Bruce Drake
 

“Letters from Dotnuva” in Lithuania is not a Yizkor book but is part of JewishGen’s Yizkor book collection. They provide a unique and very personal account of an extended family, some of whom remained in Dutnova, some who immigrated to New York and others that made Aliyah to Israel and recounted what they faced there.
The central character is Freida Shapira who went to live with a beloved aunt in Forest Hills, N.Y. in the mid-1930s. In 1998, after Freida's death in New-York, her son Norman Danzig found a collection of letters that had been sent to her; more than half were written in Yiddish and the rest in Hebrew. (If you follow the links on each letter, you will see photocopies of the originals). Most of the letters are from family members to Frieda, beseeching her to write more about how she is and what she’s doing, worrying about her health and grieving with her after her aunt died.
But I’ll start this excerpt with a letter Freida wrote two weeks after arriving with New York in 1935.
“Last Sunday we drove with our uncle many hours to see the city,” she wrote.” I lifted my head up to see the height of the tall buildings, but it's hard to see the end of them. There are long streets which belong to Rockefeller. One building, they say, has eighty stories. I started counting, but I couldn't hold my head up for so long.”
But she was also thinking of home and family.
“What about you? How do you feel? I can imagine you waking up at 5 in the morning where it's cold and dark, but what there is to do? Do you wear the warm coat? Do you have warm socks? What do you hear from the family at home? Write the truth to me about the home and family and everything that is happening to you. Oh how much I want to know about everything.”
 

--
Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


Re: Synagogue in Vienna #austria-czech #general

alexander.burstein@...
 

Hi Robert,

You are right, this synagogue in the Siebenbrunnengasse does not exist anymore. By chance, a friend of mine, of Jewish descent, lives in the house which was built instead on this ground. He did not know and only when doing research on Jewish roots in the 5th Viennese district he found this out. I have a book on the Jewish heritage of this district and will have a look. I let you know what I find out.

Best regards,

Alexander Burstein


Re: Contacting National Archives of Belarus? #belarus

mvayser@...
 

Brianna,
Archives in the former Soviet Union have a hierarchical 3-part identification of specific documents.  Fond might have hundreds or thousands of "opis".  Each opis might have hundreds or thousands of "delo" (the actual documents).  These documents in turn could be anywhere from a handful to thousands of pages.  When you request documents from the archives, you need to be precise in what you ask, if you expect to get a quick and exact turnaround.  This request is almost an equivalent of writing a letter to your city's central library and asking them "I understand that you have books that start with a letter M and someone once borrowed one of these books and translated it into another language.  How can I take a look at these books?"

If you found some lists online with the census information, most likely they will contain a reference to the actual archival documents and might look like "NHAB 2151-444-13".  They should also have a name of the archive, most often an acronym - NHAB (National Historical Archive of Belarus), or NHAB Grodno (National Historical Archive of Belarus at Grodno), or LVIA (Lithuanian State Historical Archive), etc.  Think of that name as a city, fond - street, opis - building number, delo - apartment or office.
From what I understand, Belarus archives will not send you the entire census/vital records book (unless you are onsite in their reading room), only scans of the specific pages, records, or families in the document.  You will need to specify who you are looking for in the document.

If you do not have exact ID of the document, try to be exact with what you are looking for and skip any information that is not going to be relevant to the archivist - it's not relevant to them what the relationships are, where these people lived after they left the area, etc. You will need to know their names as they used them in the old country, if the names changed after they came to the US, that's not going too be helpful to the archivist.  Specify that you looking for a person named X Y, who lived in town Z in years 18## to 18## and they were of Jewish faith.  You are looking for census and metrical (vital) records that might contain information about this person.  List other family members if necessary.  Having precise dates or at least a range of dates will help them look for the specifics or identify which records might be missing, that would have information about the person.

I have not dealt with Belarus archives myself, but from what I understand, they are easy to work with.

Mike Vayser

P.S. as far as I know, RAGAS is Russian-American Genealogical Archive Service.


Re: nad Dneper info for Belarus? #belarus #general

Diane Jacobs
 

Try Yad Vashem database for testimonies submitted a land list of those murdered or sent to other places in the Soviet Union .

I found there which of my great grandfathers siblings and descendants either emigrated,
survived, or were murdered this way.

Diane  Jacobs


On May 7, 2021, at 2:23 AM, brianna.knoppow@... wrote:

Thank you - yes - I have his surname from his marriage certificate from a Belarus database. Alas, I have not found him on any other sources and I think likely he did not immigrate. The marriage certificate also lists his father's name. I'm trying to find out 1) what happened to him and his wife; 2) the name of his brothers.

The JewishGen Belarus database is throwing me off a little bit. It has a lot of good info that I am reviewing, however it also has a lot of the results show a list of what's technically available, but not up on JewishGen and translated. For example, https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Belarus/mogilevb.htm. It states that to access the records I must "LDS microfilms, or at the National Historical Archives of Belarus in Minsk." Am I missing something?

--
Brianna Knoppow
Washington DC (from Michigan)

Searching for BRIKER/BRICKER, MOGILL, HIRSCH, LIFSHITS

--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Synagogue in Vienna #austria-czech #general

Robert Fraser
 

Hi Friends -

I recently discovered, from different sources, that a great-uncle was married in Vienna in 1921 in a synagogue in the Fifth bezirk/district; Margareten. The only synagogue I can discover that existed in this district was at Siebenbrunnengasse 1a.

The bride was not Jewish and I don't know if she converted. I am therefore assuming that the synagogue was Liberal/Reform, if such existed in Vienna at the time. Can anyone confirm this please?

I assume that this synagogue no longer exists.

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Perth, Western Australia
Researcher 6342
girof@...


IGRA webinar with Gil Bardige May 23 #dna #events

Garri Regev
 

IGRA invites you to join us as we host Gil Bardige in our 2021 Webinar Series. The Zoom Webinar is at 7 pm Israel time - noon EST.
 
Gil's topic is: "Help! I Just Got My DNA Results and I'm Confused". For anyone needing a clear explanation of how to evaluate all of the DNA results - this lecture is for you. Learn to prioritize your match lists, get organized and thus reduce the stress and confusion. 
 
The webinar is free however advance registration is required: https://zoom.us/meeting/register/tJMvdO2gqT0qGNJkuq0WvoQgiMjpKxlNReA0
 
Garri Regev
President, IGRA
 


Re: Employment in the old country? #general #belarus #romania #ukraine

brianna.knoppow@...
 

Thank you! Very interesting! Where do you look for bank records?
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Brianna Knoppow
Washington DC (from Michigan)

Searching for BRIKER/BRICKER, MOGILL, HIRSCH, LIFSHITS


Contacting National Archives of Belarus? #belarus

brianna.knoppow@...
 

Hello,

I wrote the following message to the "National Historical Archives of Belarus". Their response, Google Translate told me, was a link to a request form and a link to info on their 'reading room' hours. Anyone traveling to Belarus? Has anyone placed an order with the National Historical Archives of Belarus by chance? If so, I may ask you which link I should click on. The options are not in English.


Hello,
I am seeking information about my family who lived in Belarus long ago. I have heard that there is an item, Collection #2151 of the
Mogilev Treasury that includes Revision (census) lists and alphabetical lists of Jewish Town dwellers in a number of gubernia, districts, towns, and
shtetls.
 
I was also told that there is Collection #330 of the Minsk City Government for Town Dwellers and it contains a
family list of Jewish townsdwellers of Minsk in 1894 (884 families). These names were translated >from Russian to English and appeared
in the RAGAS Report. I have no idea what the RAGAS report is. Anyway, could you please assist me in having the opportunity to view the two collections that I included in this email? I would be very grateful.





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Brianna Knoppow
Washington DC (from Michigan)

Searching for BRIKER/BRICKER, MOGILL, HIRSCH, LIFSHITS


Re: nad Dneper info for Belarus? #belarus #general

brianna.knoppow@...
 

Thank you - yes - I have his surname from his marriage certificate from a Belarus database. Alas, I have not found him on any other sources and I think likely he did not immigrate. The marriage certificate also lists his father's name. I'm trying to find out 1) what happened to him and his wife; 2) the name of his brothers.

The JewishGen Belarus database is throwing me off a little bit. It has a lot of good info that I am reviewing, however it also has a lot of the results show a list of what's technically available, but not up on JewishGen and translated. For example, https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Belarus/mogilevb.htm. It states that to access the records I must "LDS microfilms, or at the National Historical Archives of Belarus in Minsk." Am I missing something?

--
Brianna Knoppow
Washington DC (from Michigan)

Searching for BRIKER/BRICKER, MOGILL, HIRSCH, LIFSHITS


Re: Burial records #general #records

mvayser@...
 

They regularly add Jewish cemeteries in the former Soviet Union to their database and have a large genealogy-focused Facebook group.  I personally haven't used their commercial services, but perhaps someone else here has.
You can check their news page to see the cadence of updates to the database: https://mitzvatemet.com/en/all-news

Mike Vayser


Re: CORRECTION: Help with notations on 1930 Census record (reposting from yesterday with correction) #records

Susan&David
 

If you follow the census page by page you will see that 198 Bronx Place has a number of apartments. They may have been visited by the enumerator continuously, but they were not recorded in order on the census pages. You can find entries for 198 Bronx Place on census sheet 7B, 8B, 10A, 10B, and 11B.   Similar markings on four of those pages seem to tell you where to find the other entries for that address.   There are also marking of the same type for line 67 on sheet 2B and line 4 on sheet 11A for other addresses.

David Rosen
Boston, MA



On 5/6/2021 5:02 PM, Deborah Barr via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
I am most grateful to all the kind people who responded to the question I posted yesterday. Unfortunately, I said rightmost when I meant leftmost!

I meant to ask about the leftmost few columns for house number, etc., which were only filled in for the first person in the family and normally would be blank for the other family members.

In this case, something has been written in columns 2-4. Next to Bernard it looks something like "(illegible) 2 els". Next to Edith it looks like "F see 68 & 99".

I have never seen anything like this before. I thought maybe the "99" referred to line 99, which is Bernard. But Line 68 is for a child of another family unconnected to this one as far as I know. I don't have much hope of figuring this out but thought maybe someone might have an idea.

Again, thank you all who responded yesterday and my apologies for my error.

Deborah Barr
San Francisco, CA


Re: Announcing the publication of the Yizkor Book of ZINKOV #ukraine

Susan Rosin
 

The Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project is proud to announce its 123rd title:
Zinkov Memorial Book (Zinkiv, Ukraine).
The original book was Published in Tel Aviv and New York in 1966.
Project Coordinators: Susan and Shawn Dilles
Cover Design: Rachel Kolokoff-Hopper
Layout and Name Indexing: Jonathan Wind
Hard Cover, 8.5" by 11", 276 pages with all original illustrations and
photographs.
The book is available from JewishGen for $29

The Yizkor Book captures the history of Zinkov in good times and bad, of
vibrant life in the town, and of the efforts by some to make aliyah to
Israel or to depart for the west. Describing the living town of Zinkov -
however briefly - brings into focus what was lost during the nightmare years
when the Jews in Zinkov were systematically murdered, bringing over 300
years of history to an end. The Zinkov Committee understood that it is
imperative for personal accounts of this dark period be documented,
remembered and recounted, and this is why the book was written - and why we,
the project coordinators undertook to translate it.

This Yizkor book contains many first-hand accounts and personal remembrances
of the survivors and immigrants from the town and serves as a fitting
memorial to this destroyed Jewish community and in addition bears witness to
its destruction.

For the researchers, this book contains a wealth of both genealogical and
cultural information that can provide a picture of the environment of our
ancestors.

Consider this book as a gift for a family member or a friend.

For all our publications see: https://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/ybip.html

For ordering information see:
https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/ybip/YBIP_Zinkov.html

Susan Rosin
Yizkor Books In Print


CORRECTION: Help with notations on 1930 Census record (reposting from yesterday with correction) #records

Deborah Barr
 

I am most grateful to all the kind people who responded to the question I posted yesterday. Unfortunately, I said rightmost when I meant leftmost!

I meant to ask about the leftmost few columns for house number, etc., which were only filled in for the first person in the family and normally would be blank for the other family members.

In this case, something has been written in columns 2-4. Next to Bernard it looks something like "(illegible) 2 els". Next to Edith it looks like "F see 68 & 99".

I have never seen anything like this before. I thought maybe the "99" referred to line 99, which is Bernard. But Line 68 is for a child of another family unconnected to this one as far as I know. I don't have much hope of figuring this out but thought maybe someone might have an idea.

Again, thank you all who responded yesterday and my apologies for my error.

Deborah Barr
San Francisco, CA

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