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Re: Translation Hungarian to English #translation

paveanyu@...
 

Hello Mr Magocsi,                                                                                                           8th May 2021

looking at your request: 
In my assertion there  are three different birth records:
11.--Sali--might be short for Rosalia -in Hungarian--Jewish name -Baby Suri/Sara --lany/girl  born 3rd June 1878   Torvenyes--meaning /legal/ within Wedlock

12. Jozsef--Jewish Name Josef/Josuf--born 25th June 1878--torvenyes/legal  --  born within wedlock//meaning parents were married  prior to the baby was born.
                    Fiu/ boy--  father's name Gelb Herman--( Family name GELB--first name Herman--in Hungarian at times the letter 'a' had a dash --leading  to the pronunciation of the letter 'a' without the 'dash' being slightly different 
Sadly, in my understanding Baby Jozsef passed away_- in 'Nagy-Ida'--I wonder?  on the 12th or 14th of Teves??

---On a different note: interestingly--My late father-in law's  mother was    ;Nee  Pepi--GELB--( GELB Pepi )  around 1870??

13: baby Eliaz  --born 1878--  fiu/boy  Jewish name -- Sruli? I wonder  short for Yisroel?  Torvanyes /Baby was born also within wedlock

Best wishes to evrybody
Veronika Pachtinger
London UK


Re: Looking for the street in Warsaw #warsaw #general

JoannaYael
 

I believe it was Gęsia street (ulica) which was located near the Jewish cemetery. The street’s name, as well as the city’s name were misspelled (most likely by a foreigner). 



Dr. Joanna Zimmerman 


How to find tax records? #general

brianna.knoppow@...
 

Hello,
I have read some of your posts where many of you reference learning about your family's occupations via reading tax records. Where does a person find tax records from the old country? (Belarus, Minsk, Mogilev, Kozelets, Ukraine, Yasi, etc.)



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Brianna Knoppow
Washington DC (from Michigan)

Searching for BRIKER/BRICKER, MOGILL, HIRSCH, LIFSHITS


Re: Synagogue in Vienna #austria-czech #general

Andreas Schwab
 

The Jewish BMD registers for all Jewish Kehilot in Austria are kept at the V
ienna Kenilllah. See:
http://www.archiv-ikg-wien.at/archives/matriken/?tab=1661&topic=1669Genteam has Indices from Jewish births, marriages since 1826, deaths since 1866, all up to 1910.
https://www.genteam.eu/index.php?option=com_db53&view=all&Itemid=33&lang=en
(You have first to register for free and login.)
For records after 1910 I think you have to contact the arhcives directly or find somebody in Vienna to go to the archives in person, but the archives are currently closed to the general public due to COVID-19. 
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Andreas Schwab, Montreal, Canada


Re: Synagogue in Vienna #austria-czech #general

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Elizabeth Horen-Cotter wrote: 
 
> Armed with this historical snippet, you, like me, will understand why the Jewish records from approximately 94 synagogues > (amount of synagogues in 1938) are hard to find.
 
I am sure much was lost, but copies of the birth, marriage and death record books still exist for the outlying districts as well as the Stadttempel in Vienna.  The indices are searchable on JewishGen.org.
 
Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA
 


jewish fighter from UNNA in the war 1870/71 #germany

Mike Redel
 

Dear gersigs,

I know that 8 jewish persons from Unna fight in war 1870/71. One of
them was woundet an the other was an Unteroffizier at the end.

Where can I find their names and more infos about the 8 persons.

Regards

Mike Redel - Unna - Germany


Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

Stephen Weinstein
 

Mine was about 3 months after my birthday because we didn't schedule them for winter due to the risk of snow.


On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 06:28 AM, sharon yampell wrote:

my son was born on December 15th and his Bar Mitzvah was not until January… this was what was available AFTER he turned 13…

 

Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, New Jersey

MODERATOR NOTE: I had the same issue. I was born December 21 and my Bar Mitzvah was not until January 3


 
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Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, California, USA
stephenweinstein@...


Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

Jx. Gx.
 


I received the Chabad calendar link from Jeri Freidman and https://www.hebcal.com/converter?gd=17&gm=8&gy=1961&g2h=1 from three other people who generously responded to me directly. Fortunately, one person did the calculation for me at hebcal.com and gave me the correct date of July 29,1961 for my cousin's bar mitzvah. I was doing something wrong and kept getting an incorrect date.  The Chabad calendar calculations fell short by a couple of days. The same thing happened when I used it for my own DOB/bar mitzvah. It incorrectly said my bar mitzvah date was Thursday, Jan 21.  But when I moved that weekday to the next shabbat it was correct, Jan. 23.  I did the same thing with my cousin's data.  Chabad calculated his bar mitzvah as Tues, July 25.  Move it up to the next shabbat and there it was the correct date of July 29.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona, USA  


Netherlands Family Cards 1919-1939 Are Available Online #announcements #records

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

 

Friesland is a province of the Netherlands knowns a Fresia, located in the northern part of the country.  The West-Fries Archief has made the family cards 1919-1939 available on online—again.  They had been removed in 2018 due advice of  the Society of Municipalities in the Netherlands- to remove the family cards of 1921-1940 to limit availability of the records for 110 years  as they contain information on religious denominations and some persons in the cards were still living.  This was a reaction to  the then new privacy regulations  (General Data Protection Regulation-GDPR) disallowed publication of cards containing living people. Volunteers have entered the birth dates of the people on the cards so the website can automatically detect which cards contain people who were born less than 100 years ago.

 

To visit the WestFries Archives for the list of names go to: https://www.westfriesarchief.nl/onderzoek/zoeken/personen  It is in Dutch add English.  You can click on the person’s name and it will provide a link to records for that person.

 

Having information of where people lived at the beginning of World War ll, 1939, is important when tracing back. They were part of the registration process. In 1920, the address-based registration was converted into a family-based registration. For each family, their information was collected on a family card. If the family moved, the card went with them. The system was changed into a personal registration in 1938 with the introduction of the personal index card.

 

Personal record cards were introduced in 1938 to replace the old family-based registration. The municipalities kept personal record cards for every inhabitant. If a person moved to another municipality, his index card was forwarded there. It can be thought of as an ‘administrative twin’ that follows you around your entire life.

 

The personal record cards from 1938 onward are not public to protect the privacy of living people. After a person dies, his or her card or record from the municipal basic administration is sent for processing to the Central Bureau of Statistics. When they are done with it, it is sent on to the Central Bureau for Genealogy (CBG)  https://cbg.nl/ . Usually, it takes around two years for the cards to become available at the CBG.  Photocopies can be ordered from the CBG for a fee by filling in the application form and sending it to pkpl@.... See the CBG webpage (in Dutch and English) https://cbg.nl/diensten/uittreksels-pkpl/  about the current fees in Euros.

 

Photocopies can be ordered from the CBG for a fee by filling in the application form and sending it to pkpl@.... See the CBG webpage (in Dutch) about the current fees. Also see: https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/personal-record-card/

 

Thank you to Yvette Hoitink’s Dutch Genealogy News- April 2021 for sharing this information.  https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/dutch-genealogy-news-for-april-2021/

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


“Meri-Leje Sapockaite’s Personal Journey” #announcements

Walter Rosenthal
 

On Wednesday May 12 at 1PM, The Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Beach County will offer “Meri-Leje Sapockaite’s Personal Journey” presented by Michael Herzlich. This story begins with a Cousin’s Club ­— one that surprisingly has a bound book of 20 years of Minutes!. It was one of Michael’s cousins, who said he had something for Michael from Miriam. “My mind raced to figure out who he was talking about. Miriam?”  This cousin was just a name until used his superb detective skills to unravel many little clues that led to discovering a cousin and her extended family, one of whom was the Rabbi who married Miriam and her husband.

 

His sources will include Arsolen Archives, Yad Vashem, Jewishgen resources of Viewmate, the Litvak Sig database and even Facebook. Open to members of JGSPBCI. Contact: waltrose864@...

Walter Rosenthal


Advice On How to Begin Bridging a Gap in Research #dna

ccelaynarose3@...
 

I am looking for advice on how to bridge a very large gap between my Sicilian relatives and their Ashkenazi/Sephardic ancestors. I took a full sequence mtDNA test and it appears to confirm my hunches regarding the Jewish heritage of my ancestors as well as a separate mtDNA analysis that I had done previously. My problem: I can't get my research past the early 1700's where, at that point, they are in Sicily and appear to be true converts to the Catholic faith (but I can't be certain of anything). I did get an invitation to a tree today from a Russian match on FTDNA with pictures including their families maintaining their Jewish faith. I was so delighted!

So, as my first step, I contacted many matches at various levels from many different countries.  What else can I be doing? I know which countries that I still have at least one living relative in from the way that FTDNA does their matches. Other than that, without names, it's like looking for needles in haystacks!

Does anyone have any other suggestions on how to bridge this gap?

Thank you so much!
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Connie Derosier Carter
Kissimmee, FL, Leominster, MA


Re: Zhitomir name #ukraine

Sherri Bobish
 

Molly,

Here are a few ways you might find the maiden name of Sam Berenson's mother Riva:

If Sam married in The U.S. than his marriage record may contain his mother's maiden name.

Sam's death certificate may contain his mother's maiden name, but keep in mind that the info on a death cert is second-hand information.

If Sam was living in the mid-1930's than his original Social Security application (SS5) should contain his mother's maiden name.  Note that obtaining the SS5 is not free.
https://www.ssa.gov/foia/request.html
"You can make a request for a copy of a deceased person’s original Application for a Social Security Card (SS-5) and/or Numident record (a computer extract of the SS-5) in two ways: Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Looking for the street in Warsaw #warsaw #general

Rose Feldman
 

Those streets that were rebuilt weren't always in the exact same place. They may be a bit off. That is why they say you can only really know where it was by the sewers.  

Rose Feldman


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Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year  
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy


Re: The surname RAPPEL #poland

Sherri Bobish
 

Peter,

Try looking up the surname in Alexander Beider's books:

Beider, A. 1996. A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames from the Kingdom of Poland. Teaneck, NJ: Avotaynu.

Beider, A. 2004. A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames from Galicia. Bergenfield, NJ: Avotaynu.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Looking for the street in Warsaw #warsaw #general

Dr. Ruth Leiserowitz
 

There is a Warsaw city map from 1938 that claims to have all the streets listed. https://polona.pl/item/plan-wielkiej-warszawy-z-wymienieniem-wszystkich-ulic-miasta,MzU2NDQ1NA/0/#info:metadata
On its reverse side the street names are given.
https://polona.pl/item/plan-wielkiej-warszawy-z-wymienieniem-wszystkich-ulic-miasta,MzU2NDQ1NA/1/#item
I strongly suspect that it is Ulica Gęsia. Since the name of the street was pronounced differently than it was written, spelling errors are of course bound to occur. The street was in a Jewish neighborhood - in Muranow. The street does not exist today under its old name. Partly it forms today the Ulica Mordechaja Anielewicza . There is also the new POLIN Museum (Museum of the History of Polish Jews). 

Ruth Leiserowitz
Berlin / Warsaw
 
 





Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

JoAnne Goldberg
 

I don't think anyone in my family has celebrated on the "correct" date!

A 1961 bar mitzvah, at least in the United States, would probably have
been announced in the local Jewish newspaper.

JoAnne
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JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN,  DANIEL  -- Rhineland, Germany

 


Re: Looking for the street in Warsaw #warsaw #general

rv Kaplan
 

I would have thought that many streets in Warsaw were flattened during the war and not necessarily rebuilt.

Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland



Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

Jx. Gx.
 

Hello Linda,

1961 was a long time ago and the shul has since been converted into a public senior center.  The online calendars are the next best thing.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona 


Re: The surname RAPPEL #poland

Dan Nussbaum
 

My educated guess is that it is a form of Raphael.

Daniel Nussbaum II, M.D., FAAP
Retired Developmental Pediatrician
Rochester, New York
yekkey@...
 
Tone can be misinterpreted in email. Please read my words with warmth, kindness, and good intentions.

Searching for;
Nussbaum, Katzenstein, Mannheimer and Goldschmidt; Rhina, Raboldshausen and Bad Hersfeld, Germany
Teplitzky, Bendersky and Kaszkiet; Uman, Ukraine
Rosenthal and S(c)henk(el)man; Zinkov, Ukraine
Bild and Kashlevsky; anywhere


Re: Discounts on DNA tests thru Mother's Day #dna

Robert Hanna
 

You can transfer test results from Ancestry DNA and 23 and me DNA to FamilyTree DNA and MyHeritage DNA, but you cannot transfer to Ancestry or MyHeritage from any of the others.

Robert Hanna
NYC

CHANAN, HANAN, HANNE, GANE (Warsaw); BLUMENBLATT (Sarnaki)
KARASIK, THOMASHOW, COHEN (Babruysk)
RUBINSTEIN, BUNDEROFF, PASTILNIK, NEMOYTEN, DISKIN (Minsk)

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