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Advice On How to Begin Bridging a Gap in Research #dna

ccelaynarose3@...
 

I am looking for advice on how to bridge a very large gap between my Sicilian relatives and their Ashkenazi/Sephardic ancestors. I took a full sequence mtDNA test and it appears to confirm my hunches regarding the Jewish heritage of my ancestors as well as a separate mtDNA analysis that I had done previously. My problem: I can't get my research past the early 1700's where, at that point, they are in Sicily and appear to be true converts to the Catholic faith (but I can't be certain of anything). I did get an invitation to a tree today from a Russian match on FTDNA with pictures including their families maintaining their Jewish faith. I was so delighted!

So, as my first step, I contacted many matches at various levels from many different countries.  What else can I be doing? I know which countries that I still have at least one living relative in from the way that FTDNA does their matches. Other than that, without names, it's like looking for needles in haystacks!

Does anyone have any other suggestions on how to bridge this gap?

Thank you so much!
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Connie Derosier Carter
Kissimmee, FL, Leominster, MA


Re: Zhitomir name #ukraine

Sherri Bobish
 

Molly,

Here are a few ways you might find the maiden name of Sam Berenson's mother Riva:

If Sam married in The U.S. than his marriage record may contain his mother's maiden name.

Sam's death certificate may contain his mother's maiden name, but keep in mind that the info on a death cert is second-hand information.

If Sam was living in the mid-1930's than his original Social Security application (SS5) should contain his mother's maiden name.  Note that obtaining the SS5 is not free.
https://www.ssa.gov/foia/request.html
"You can make a request for a copy of a deceased person’s original Application for a Social Security Card (SS-5) and/or Numident record (a computer extract of the SS-5) in two ways: Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Looking for the street in Warsaw #warsaw #general

Rose Feldman
 

Those streets that were rebuilt weren't always in the exact same place. They may be a bit off. That is why they say you can only really know where it was by the sewers.  

Rose Feldman


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Re: The surname RAPPEL #poland

Sherri Bobish
 

Peter,

Try looking up the surname in Alexander Beider's books:

Beider, A. 1996. A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames from the Kingdom of Poland. Teaneck, NJ: Avotaynu.

Beider, A. 2004. A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames from Galicia. Bergenfield, NJ: Avotaynu.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Looking for the street in Warsaw #warsaw #general

Dr. Ruth Leiserowitz
 

There is a Warsaw city map from 1938 that claims to have all the streets listed. https://polona.pl/item/plan-wielkiej-warszawy-z-wymienieniem-wszystkich-ulic-miasta,MzU2NDQ1NA/0/#info:metadata
On its reverse side the street names are given.
https://polona.pl/item/plan-wielkiej-warszawy-z-wymienieniem-wszystkich-ulic-miasta,MzU2NDQ1NA/1/#item
I strongly suspect that it is Ulica Gęsia. Since the name of the street was pronounced differently than it was written, spelling errors are of course bound to occur. The street was in a Jewish neighborhood - in Muranow. The street does not exist today under its old name. Partly it forms today the Ulica Mordechaja Anielewicza . There is also the new POLIN Museum (Museum of the History of Polish Jews). 

Ruth Leiserowitz
Berlin / Warsaw
 
 





Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

JoAnne Goldberg
 

I don't think anyone in my family has celebrated on the "correct" date!

A 1961 bar mitzvah, at least in the United States, would probably have
been announced in the local Jewish newspaper.

JoAnne
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JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN,  DANIEL  -- Rhineland, Germany

 


Re: Looking for the street in Warsaw #warsaw #general

rv Kaplan
 

I would have thought that many streets in Warsaw were flattened during the war and not necessarily rebuilt.

Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland



Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

Jx. Gx.
 

Hello Linda,

1961 was a long time ago and the shul has since been converted into a public senior center.  The online calendars are the next best thing.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona 


Re: The surname RAPPEL #poland

Dan Nussbaum
 

My educated guess is that it is a form of Raphael.

Daniel Nussbaum II, M.D., FAAP
Retired Developmental Pediatrician
Rochester, New York
yekkey@...
 
Tone can be misinterpreted in email. Please read my words with warmth, kindness, and good intentions.

Searching for;
Nussbaum, Katzenstein, Mannheimer and Goldschmidt; Rhina, Raboldshausen and Bad Hersfeld, Germany
Teplitzky, Bendersky and Kaszkiet; Uman, Ukraine
Rosenthal and S(c)henk(el)man; Zinkov, Ukraine
Bild and Kashlevsky; anywhere


Re: Discounts on DNA tests thru Mother's Day #dna

Robert Hanna
 

You can transfer test results from Ancestry DNA and 23 and me DNA to FamilyTree DNA and MyHeritage DNA, but you cannot transfer to Ancestry or MyHeritage from any of the others.

Robert Hanna
NYC

CHANAN, HANAN, HANNE, GANE (Warsaw); BLUMENBLATT (Sarnaki)
KARASIK, THOMASHOW, COHEN (Babruysk)
RUBINSTEIN, BUNDEROFF, PASTILNIK, NEMOYTEN, DISKIN (Minsk)


Re: Looking for the street in Warsaw #warsaw #general

Frank Szmulowicz
 

The list of modern streets in Warsaw that start with "Ge" are
Gedymina
Gembarzewskiego
Genewska
Geodetów
Geologiczna
Geranii
Gersona (first name Wojciech, I believe)
http://www.warszawska.waw.pl/ulice-e_j.html
Unfortunately, it is a cold trail.
The word in the parentheses starts with a V, a letter that does not exist in the Polish alphabet. One is tempted to say Varsovie, but I do not see a letter-by-letter correspondence. Perhaps, someone can read it better.
FrankSzmulowicz@...


Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

David Harrison
 

There could be many reasons why a function is not held on the "correct" day. As noted in another note, there might be a space limit in the Synagogue. In 1964 I was working in Paris and the only time for those 8 months when there were more than 2 young people reading their pieces was when there were twins or triplets in the family.  The place was always packed.  But when we turned to New Year, the resident congregation took over a Concert Hall because their Synagogue could only hold about 10% of the congregation and they allowed an American group from all over Europe to have their services in that building.  Likewise, at present some families have delayed Bar and Bat Mitzvah until after the end of Covid restrictions (not only of allowed numbers in the congregation but also on travel from other countries I would imagine that damage from Volcanos and bombs could also require changes of venue or of day .

David Harrison,
Birmingham, England


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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general
 
Here's a site:

https://www.chabad.org/calendar/bar-bat-mitzvah_cdo/aid/6227/jewish/BarBat-Mitzvah-Date-Calculator.htm

Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida

On 5/8/2021 1:13 AM, Jx. Gx. wrote:
Can someone please tell me what would be the correct bar mitzvah date
for a cousin who was born on August 17, 1948 or point me to a website
that can calculate the correct date?  I have two likely dates, but I'm
not sure which is the correct one: July 22 or July 29, 1961.  Thank you.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona
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Re: Synagogue in Vienna #austria-czech #general

nursebeth211@...
 

Dear Mr. Fraser, 
Having visited Vienna recently, I found your question very interesting. During my visit, I learned that only one of the 94 synagogues survived the November 1938 pogroms.  It was the Stadttempel (Jewish City Temple) built in 1826 by architect, Josef Kornhaüsl.  When it was constructed (in 1826) laws prohibited any religious building, other than Catholic Churches, from standing alongside the city’s main streets.  So, the architect designed and built a legally  “hidden” Jewish place of worship within an apartment complex situated on one of Vienna’s main thoroughfares.  As such, the obscure synagogue evaded  Kristallnacht’s (Nov 9-10, 1938) deleterious effects. 

Armed with this historical snippet, you, like me, will understand why the Jewish records from approximately 94 synagogues (amount of synagogues in 1938) are hard to find.  

To confirm my statements, please visit https://jguideeurope.org/en/region/austria/vienna/# 

Also, please note that I found Vienna’s current Jewish organizations to be  very helpful regarding my genealogical questions.  


My best to you.  Elizabeth Horen-Cotter from Tampa, FL. USA 


Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

Lin Mor
 

I think the best way to find out is to contact the synagogue and ask them to please check their records. The date of the Bar/Bat Mitzvah date is not necessarily the one closest to the secular birthdate. My brother, born May 12, 1950 had his on May 25, 1963. That lovely calculation website provided by Jeri in a previous response did not work for me using dates in the past, I was trying to provide the Hebrew calendar date. I found  https://www.hebcal.com/converter?gd=25&gm=5&gy=1963&g2h=1 worked well and May 12, 1950 is Iyyar 9/25/5710. Yet, May 25, 1963 was Sivan 2, 5223. The point I am trying to make is that Bar/Bat Mitzvahs are not necessarily the closest Sabbath to the person's Hebrew birthdate, other factors such as scheduling or family choice come into play. I remember the discussion in 1963 during the baby boomer years on how difficult it was to keep the number at no more than 2 on any given Sabbath.

Linda Cohen Morzillo
Saratoga Springs NY


Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

sharon yampell
 

I have a difference in opinion…my son was born on December 15th and his Bar Mitzvah was not until January… this was what was available AFTER he turned 13…

 

Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, New Jersey

MODERATOR NOTE: I had the same issue. I was born December 21 and my Bar Mitzvah was not until January 3 due to the holidays, New Year and available date.

 

From: Jx. Gx.
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 1:20 AM
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

 

Can someone please tell me what would be the correct bar mitzvah date for a cousin who was born on August 17, 1948 or point me to a website that can calculate the correct date?  I have two likely dates, but I'm not sure which is the correct one: July 22 or July 29, 1961.  Thank you.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona     

 

 


Looking for the street in Warsaw #warsaw #general

Christine Lassiege
 

Hi everyone

I am looking for a street in Warsaw where my Great grand parents lived in 1929, I don’t find it with google maps: 

                     73 Gendha Street. 

Perhaps this is misspelled 

 

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Thanks a lot for your help.

Christine Lassiège (From France)


Re: article about Viennese Jews who escaped to U.K. via Manchester Guardian advertisements #austria-czech #unitedkingdom #holocaust

Hazel Dakers
 

Critically, Borgers father was one such advertised cold. Very moving piece.
Hazel Dakers, London UK
 


Re: What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

Teewinot
 


On 5/8/2021 1:13 AM, Jx. Gx. wrote:
Can someone please tell me what would be the correct bar mitzvah date
for a cousin who was born on August 17, 1948 or point me to a website
that can calculate the correct date?  I have two likely dates, but I'm
not sure which is the correct one: July 22 or July 29, 1961.  Thank you.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona
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Re: Immigration research strategies when you only have old world data #records #usa

Adam Turner
 

Here are the search parameters and top search result of a search I did in Ancestry. I find wildcards tend to be really useful in these cases (for a man with the name Moshe, I'll start with "Mor*" for "Morris" and so forth, then try "Mos*" to turn up everyone with the English name Moses, Mose, and so forth).

The family in that top result in the 1900 census looks like it could potentially be a fit, especially if we think "Sire" is actually "Cire" on the manifest. (I wouldn't be suprised if a Cire - likely a Tsirel - took the name Celia in the US.) The main part that gives me pause is that the age of the daughters is shifted about 3 years from what is on the manifest. But maybe this is a decent jumping-off point.



Adam Turner


What would be the correct Bar Mitzvah date in 1961 #general

Jx. Gx.
 

Can someone please tell me what would be the correct bar mitzvah date for a cousin who was born on August 17, 1948 or point me to a website that can calculate the correct date?  I have two likely dates, but I'm not sure which is the correct one: July 22 or July 29, 1961.  Thank you.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona     

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